suncrush Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 In my current game (FM17 Beta), Calais will pay me $20k a pop to come play as many friendlies as I can stand. But, I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out if it's helping my bottom line or not. When I arrange the friendly, it says Fee $20,000, Income $2500. What am I actually making? Is the $2500 what I get after travel and match-day expenses? If I send my U23 team, am I still paying my players their appearance fees, goal and shutout bonuses, or are those only for senior matches? The club is kind of hemorrhaging money because I am taking a gamble on promotion, and I'm trying to figure out if this series of friendlies is helping or hurting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 You shouldn't be trying to make money out of friendlies but: If you are playing at home the fee is what you pay to the visiting club while the income is what you get from tickets. If you are playing away the fee is what you get before any travelling expenses etc which I don't think are listed. I don't think you get any of the ticket income but I could be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeltmurrayuk Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Not sure if it has changed in FM17, but in previous versions the income on the fixtures screen was just an estimate, so depending on how many people turned up you could end up making less than the game suggested or even lose money. Whilst fees for away games was a fixed amount, so if you had a small stadium it was generaly more cost effective to arrange away friendlies against teams who would pay you well. Easiest thing to do is make a note of what funds you are expecting from the friendly when setting it up and then make a note (or take a screenshot) of your detailed finances (in and out) before and after the game to work out what your income and expenses were, then do the same for an away friendly (or several friendlies) so you can see what kind of friendlies make you money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey1978 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 6 hours ago, Cougar2010 said: You shouldn't be trying to make money out of friendlies but: Interested in the rationale behind that comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 League type friendly tournaments can make tons of money for your club, if your team is part of two top divisions, smaller teams get less money, less attendances, etc. Standalone friendlies are never profitable or are profitable by a very small margin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Pompey1978 said: Interested in the rationale behind that comment? Because you never see any team play consistent friendlies against the same opposition week after week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter28 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 8 hours ago, Cougar2010 said: You shouldn't be trying to make money out of friendlies Eh its a great way to make money if your a small to medium club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, scooter28 said: Eh its a great way to make money if your a small to medium club But most users would also class it as cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter28 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Cheating so small clubs in real life who choose to play bigger sides are cheats emm ok lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Would small to medium clubs realistically accept friendlies from much bigger clubs, knowing they're gonna get a battering?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, scooter28 said: Cheating so small clubs in real life who choose to play bigger sides are cheats emm ok lol and how often so small/medium clubs IRL do that? How many friendlies do they play during the season? How many times do they play the same team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter28 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, Cougar2010 said: and how often so small/medium clubs IRL do that? How many friendlies do they play during the season? How many times do they play the same team? How often i could not tell you that but am sure it happens some clubs can play alot 6/7 up in scotland alot of times and a good few have played bigger sides its ofc another way to make money thats why am saying its not cheating. Celtic there at the start of the season missed the 1st spfl game to play a friendly against barca and another against leicester in the champions tournement all for money ofc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, scooter28 said: How often i could not tell you that but am sure it happens some clubs can play alot 6/7 up in scotland alot of times and a good few have played bigger sides its ofc another way to make money thats why am saying its not cheating There is a significant difference between playing a few in pre season to trying to play big clubs every week to supplement your income. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter28 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cougar2010 said: There is a significant difference between playing a few in pre season to trying to play big clubs every week to supplement your income. Yes ofc there is not argueing with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I think calling it cheating is a bit harsh. Gamey and unrealistic? Yes. Cheating? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TQ13PS Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Not cheating. Just saying is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 @johnhughthom @TQ13PS He said SOME PEOPLE would say it was cheating. he didnt say it was. Some people play the game by very strict rules.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Eh? What do you think those pre-season tours Man United do in the USA and China are all about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phd_angel Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I've always made a good deal of money with friendlies when coaching small clubs. Just make sure expected revenue is higher than fee (if playing at home), etc, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompey1978 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 9 hours ago, Cougar2010 said: Because you never see any team play consistent friendlies against the same opposition week after week. Got you. You're talking about exploiting the game by arranging a constant stream of friendlies in order to make money, rather than my approach which is to maximise returns from a realistic pre-season schedule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie221090 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I have some issue with finances with pre season friendlies also. As you can see below i organised a friendly league in pre season. I pay out £200,000 on team fee's (which is fine), but i should be receiving £275,000 income meaning £75,000 profit. However, if you look at the screenshots after the first 2 friendlies in the league the income goes into my balance and reduces the club debt which i have. But after the third game the balance goes back up and my £75,000 profit is no where to be seen. I don't really understand this at all. Any help would be great. Thanks Ryan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeltmurrayuk Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 If you arrange a friendly competition the fees paid to other sides isn't paid out until after the competition is finished (the £200K in the other column in your last screenshot), however the income shown when arranging the friendlies is only an estimated value (or possibly the max you could get if the stadium sold out - what were the attendance percentages?) - from your last screenshot you only brought in ~£225K when the game thought you might bring in £275K. I don't think as a team with a small stadium it is ever possible to make money from friendlies as the fees you pay out near always equal the income you get, the best way is to try and find teams with the biggest gap between the income and fee, or pick teams with a smaller fee, it might be possible to make money from away friendlies but I'm not sure how the fee/income works for them as in previous version it would flip the values so you'd get the £70K fee if Swansea invited you with them hoping they'd get £90K out of the match, but FM17 doesn't seem to change the figures, so not sure if you pay them £70K and hope to earn £90K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.