themodelcitizen Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 On 04/05/2023 at 02:27, \'Appy \'Ammer said: I am gradually coming to the conclusion that I have found myself getting more enjoyment out of the editor than actually playing the game. Maybe I'm "FM'd out". 😔 I've suspected this about myself for years, but would still get immense enjoyment out of a long-term save using my edited DB - so there was always a goal in mind. Now, though, I can't get settled with the FM23 interface, and stuff like the Gold Cup qualifying bug means in-game immersion is essentially broken. So, I've accepted completely that editing is the fun part 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted May 6, 2023 Author Share Posted May 6, 2023 I am on 1 hour of playing the game compared to 3-4 hours in the editor. I will edited at least 10K in hours by now, with FM20, 21 and 22 being 6000 hours of that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NationStateUK Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Any update on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 2, 2023 Author Share Posted June 2, 2023 A few, I haven't worked much on it lately as I am waiting for my holiday to start. Instead of being outside of my homecountry I will be home though, so I will have time before July 1st to work on it. Finishing is still on the menu, the when remains a question. I know which files I will start when my holiday starts and the speed I am going through them will decide much. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NationStateUK Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 9 hours ago, Wolf_pd said: A few, I haven't worked much on it lately as I am waiting for my holiday to start. Instead of being outside of my homecountry I will be home though, so I will have time before July 1st to work on it. Finishing is still on the menu, the when remains a question. I know which files I will start when my holiday starts and the speed I am going through them will decide much. Thanks for the update, keep up the great work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolobor Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 any update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 I am on holiday, so not much happening at the moment. Expecting to get more active after 4 July, because then my holiday ends and I am always more active in editing when I am at work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Il 19/6/2023 in 20:35 , Wolf_pd ha scritto: I am on holiday, so not much happening at the moment. Expecting to get more active after 4 July, because then my holiday ends and I am always more active in editing when I am at work take a rest, this is a long journey and you deserve it. Have a good time! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted July 11, 2023 Author Share Posted July 11, 2023 Working on Polish advanced rules tonight. Polish wikipedia is filled to the brim with football information, so getting the info I am looking for is easy. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan1610 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 @Wolf_pd A little off topic.. I´m making a database for 87-88 season, and I was wondering if I could use some of your files that you made for FM 20? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 53 minutes ago, ivan1610 said: @Wolf_pd A little off topic.. I´m making a database for 87-88 season, and I was wondering if I could use some of your files that you made for FM 20? Thanks! Depends a bit on what you have in mind. The thing is that some files only work if used together so best to PM me, so we can discuss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted July 25, 2023 Author Share Posted July 25, 2023 Also putting hours into Yugoslavia as I have taken that one over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamemutest Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Le 26/07/2023 à 00:16, Wolf_pd a dit : Also putting hours into Yugoslavia as I have taken that one over. Does Sajber Rule will be included for the Yugoslav First League ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
josuts Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 23 minutes ago, teamemutest said: Does Sajber Rule will be included for the Yugoslav First League ? what is that rule? i had never heard of it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamemutest Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) Il y a 4 heures, josuts a dit : what is that rule? i had never heard of it If there's a draw at the end of the 90 minutes, there's a penalty shootout, the winning team gets the point and the losing team gets nothing, it was named after Slavko Sajber, the president of the Yugoslavian Federation at the time and first made an appearance in 1988-1989. Also, is the 10 draw limit that existed in the Soviet Top League at the time (basically, if you had more than 10 draws in the season, you would get a 2-points penalty, it was made to prevent match-fixing draws but in Soviet fashion, it was sometimes 11 or even 12 draws limit and sometimes 10, with little to no consistency) is possible to make with the editor ? Edited August 1, 2023 by teamemutest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
josuts Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 12 hours ago, teamemutest said: If there's a draw at the end of the 90 minutes, there's a penalty shootout, the winning team gets the point and the losing team gets nothing, it was named after Slavko Sajber, the president of the Yugoslavian Federation at the time and first made an appearance in 1988-1989. Also, is the 10 draw limit that existed in the Soviet Top League at the time (basically, if you had more than 10 draws in the season, you would get a 2-points penalty, it was made to prevent match-fixing draws but in Soviet fashion, it was sometimes 11 or even 12 draws limit and sometimes 10, with little to no consistency) is possible to make with the editor ? interestig! I had no idea that they had such rules! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 17 hours ago, teamemutest said: Also, is the 10 draw limit that existed in the Soviet Top League at the time (basically, if you had more than 10 draws in the season, you would get a 2-points penalty, it was made to prevent match-fixing draws but in Soviet fashion, it was sometimes 11 or even 12 draws limit and sometimes 10, with little to no consistency) is possible to make with the editor ? If there is an option for that in FM, I haven't been able to find it. 18 hours ago, teamemutest said: Does Sajber Rule will be included for the Yugoslav First League ? In FM20 I left it out, for FM22 the option is still on the table, but I am tending towards no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 1 ora fa, Wolf_pd ha scritto: If there is an option for that in FM, I haven't been able to find it. In FM20 I left it out, for FM22 the option is still on the table, but I am tending towards no. please don't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamemutest Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Il y a 5 heures, Wolf_pd a dit : In FM20 I left it out, for FM22 the option is still on the table, but I am tending towards no. Maybe (don't know if it's possible) make 2 files, one with Sajber rule and one without for people who are desperate about this kind of realism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 20 ore fa, teamemutest ha scritto: Maybe (don't know if it's possible) make 2 files, one with Sajber rule and one without for people who are desperate about this kind of realism If I remember correctly, MLS (or whatever it was called) used this rule in the 90s. it wasn't inspired by Yugoslavia obviously, but by a similar practice employed in ice hockey matches. Edited August 3, 2023 by MBarbaric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 That was after the NHL didn't draws anymore after 1995 lockout? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anitamui Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 在 2023/8/2 在 AM12点23分, josuts说: what is that rule? i had never heard of it yeah, what is this, Google doesn't help much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, anitamui said: yeah, what is this, Google doesn't help much https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988–89_Yugoslav_First_League 23 hours ago, teamemutest said: Maybe (don't know if it's possible) make 2 files, one with Sajber rule and one without for people who are desperate about this kind of realism Considering it is at most a few clicks to add or remove it, this is a suggestion I am on board with. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anitamui Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 13 小时前, Wolf_pd说: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988–89_Yugoslav_First_League Considering it is at most a few clicks to add or remove it, this is a suggestion I am on board with. Thanks for the information the Hong Kong league have the same rule as well but the winner of PK got 2 point and the loser 1 point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 4, 2023 Author Share Posted August 4, 2023 Noted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 I am quietly contemplating moving the project from FM22 to FM24. That all depends on the quality of the FM24 editor of course, and would also mean a lot of cleanup in files. For now it is a thought, not (yet) a decision. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamemutest Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Il y a 10 heures, Wolf_pd a dit : I am quietly contemplating moving the project from FM22 to FM24. That all depends on the quality of the FM24 editor of course, and would also mean a lot of cleanup in files. For now it is a thought, not (yet) a decision. Will it be even possible without going back to square one ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 23, 2023 Author Share Posted August 23, 2023 14 hours ago, teamemutest said: Will it be even possible without going back to square one ? I have been able to load some of the FM20 files into FM22 and 'upgrade' them like that. But you are right, there is a chance that upgrading them would prove to be too much work (or impossible) and that has been part of the thoughtprocess. The biggest challenge will likely be cleaning up the transfer file, but that's datawork. Fixing competitions would be more of a headache. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 Il 22/8/2023 in 11:25 , Wolf_pd ha scritto: I am quietly contemplating moving the project from FM22 to FM24. That all depends on the quality of the FM24 editor of course, and would also mean a lot of cleanup in files. For now it is a thought, not (yet) a decision. I was hoping you'd consider this option once the editor is released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share Posted August 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, MBarbaric said: I was hoping you'd consider this option once the editor is released. Everything I do right now is good for the project. If the editor is good enough and a few file conversions will tell me enough I would know if it is worth it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted September 9, 2023 Author Share Posted September 9, 2023 Despite the lack of updates, in the background we are working on checking our status and discussing the step towards FM24. We all agree that it is a good idea. The only thing we haven't decided on yet is which database version, 24.1, 24.3 or 24.4. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 What's the intended year in the mod? Circa 1988/89 season? I suppose if FM24 starts in Sept. '23 it makes quickly converting people's ages a lot easier, just add 35 to people's DOBs also was the Warsaw Pact alive for 35 years? Appropriate anniversary then I guess a lot will depend on the transferability and durability of DB changes - not just from FM22 to 24, but from 24.1 to 24.4. If it's an easier swap than anticipated, maybe you won't even have to choose a specific build, or at least only make minor tweaks for each patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamemutest Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) Il y a 20 heures, themodelcitizen a dit : What's the intended year in the mod? Circa 1988/89 season? I suppose if FM24 starts in Sept. '23 it makes quickly converting people's ages a lot easier, just add 35 to people's DOBs also was the Warsaw Pact alive for 35 years? Appropriate anniversary then I guess a lot will depend on the transferability and durability of DB changes - not just from FM22 to 24, but from 24.1 to 24.4. If it's an easier swap than anticipated, maybe you won't even have to choose a specific build, or at least only make minor tweaks for each patch I think the Warsaw Pact lasted 36 years Edited September 10, 2023 by teamemutest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 ore fa, teamemutest ha scritto: I think the Warsaw Pact lasted 36 years bummer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 The intended season was 1987/88, but we took some liberties because of changing competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamemutest Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Will the clubs banned from Yugoslavia be back ? (Not saying that just cause I'm watching Villa/Zrinjski) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 05/10/2023 at 21:03, teamemutest said: Will the clubs banned from Yugoslavia be back ? (Not saying that just cause I'm watching Villa/Zrinjski) No, Zrinjski and a few other teams are out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 10/09/2023 at 15:27, teamemutest said: I think the Warsaw Pact lasted 36 years Wait, 1988 + 36 = ........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 The conversion strategy is pretty much worked out. Only point of thought is the start of the conversion, 24.1 or a later one. Obviously the later version we use the later we can start. For some files it will be easy to convert, for others it will be a lot of work. There are a few files that worry me (Concacaf anyone...), but most have been easily converted to FM23 as a test, so that's good. Some needed some minor adjustments and a few took a bit more time though so it won't be smooth sailing all around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamemutest Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) About Israel, where do you put them ? Because they were not in UEFA yet. (Yeah, real life makes me ask a lot of questions about the mod ) Edited October 11, 2023 by teamemutest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted October 11, 2023 Author Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 hours ago, teamemutest said: About Israel, where do you put them ? Because they were not in UEFA yet. (Yeah, real life makes me ask a lot of questions about the mod ) Just like in Iron Curtain FM20 they are not in UEFA. They play in the Intertoto Cup (which they did in real life as well). They played as an invite in OFC at the time, but since they changed pretty much every World Cup qualifier, I have left that out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreh68 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Em 22/08/2023 em 06:25, Wolf_pd disse: I am quietly contemplating moving the project from FM22 to FM24. That all depends on the quality of the FM24 editor of course, and would also mean a lot of cleanup in files. For now it is a thought, not (yet) a decision. a lot of work youve done, you decide. Is there much still to be done? Just afraid it might delay for too long. Obviously 24 will be well received Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Andreh68 said: a lot of work youve done, you decide. Is there much still to be done? Just afraid it might delay for too long. Obviously 24 will be well received The time needed in FM22 is slightly less than in FM24, because of the conversion issues that will arise. On the other hand, it will add the advantages of FM24 and the things that SI have shown make it an attractive prospect. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreh68 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Em 13/10/2023 em 03:54, Wolf_pd disse: The time needed in FM22 is slightly less than in FM24, because of the conversion issues that will arise. On the other hand, it will add the advantages of FM24 and the things that SI have shown make it an attractive prospect. cool! Grats and thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 Having played the first games in FM24, I am pretty sure it is a excellent idea to move to FM24. Too bad early acces doesn't give us the editor yet. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 52 minuti fa, Wolf_pd ha scritto: Having played the first games in FM24, I am pretty sure it is a excellent idea to move to FM24. Too bad early acces doesn't give us the editor yet. indeed, i buy the game every two or three years but I still play fm16. Bought this one, and it was really worth the wait. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 After the first reconnaissance of the FM24 editor there are a few issues that need to be addressed before release, including the short names not being able to change. This would be mainly an issue for nations outside Europe as I could reuse Czechoslovakia if it was really needed. Still, not too cheery about that issue. There are some issues with loading editor competition files into the game. I have not yet started converting, but have planned some work on that tomorrow, so will likely see what happens then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 Importing of files into FM24 has started 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 That people file hurts a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel77 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Il y a 1 heure, Wolf_pd a dit : I like this one 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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