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On 2018. 2. 2. at 03:01, Olivierlandman said:

I changed my 4-3-3 strikerless to 4-3-3 with striker and wings.

Inaki(or Villalibre) as complete forward (support) . Iker(injured) or Ager as AML - inside forward (attack) and Santamaria(newgen) or De Marcos als AMR (winger - sup).

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The rest of the tactic stays the same.. Garcia was my pivot AMC in the strikerless tax.. now he will be backup to herrera als MC box to box.

First game against(away) Villareal (first leg) 0-4 win with goals from Inaki and 3 assits from Santamaria.

I'm going to sign odriozola (so i spended a lot in my fourth season..) from chelsea for +- 20milj. They signed him from Sociedad in the second season for 40milj.

He will be my first choice wingback with Capa (or Lekue) as backup. De Marcos will be the backup from Santamaria (amr).

So susaeta is no longer in your plans??

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4 hours ago, Purple Frog said:

So susaeta is no longer in your plans??

Sold him so i could give minutes to Santamaria (regen).

He was in his last year(contract) and did great things(scoring in the CL final) but it was time to move on..

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1 hour ago, Olivierlandman said:

Sold him so i could give minutes to Santamaria (regen).

He was in his last year(contract) and did great things(scoring in the CL final) but it was time to move on..

That's cruel . . . .

Does it have a tangible impact if you sell your captain??(sorry I'm new to the game. . . .)

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Well I think my hopes of getting Odriozola are now done and dusted for the long term. He wasn't playing at Barca (4 appearances by end of Nov), they wouldn't negotiate so I decided to just get it done and offer the release clause (99 million). A significant amount of money but I'm not short of a few coins in the bank account, so why not....

He negotiates a contract, to be safe I add a bit extra and we agree on 130k p/w...I thought maybe Barca might offer a new deal, so figured I'd sweeten the deal a bit. I then get a message saying he's agreed a new contract with Barca at 275k p/w. :seagull:

 

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1 hour ago, bowieinspace said:

Well I think my hopes of getting Odriozola are now done and dusted for the long term. He wasn't playing at Barca (4 appearances by end of Nov), they wouldn't negotiate so I decided to just get it done and offer the release clause (99 million). A significant amount of money but I'm not short of a few coins in the bank account, so why not....

He negotiates a contract, to be safe I add a bit extra and we agree on 130k p/w...I thought maybe Barca might offer a new deal, so figured I'd sweeten the deal a bit. I then get a message saying he's agreed a new contract with Barca at 275k p/w. :seagull:

 

Is he that better than capa or De Marcos?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Purple Frog said:

Is he that better than capa or De Marcos?

 

 

Whether he's worth 99 million or not is probably not a fair question, but yeah I would say he's a lot better than both, certainly once at full potential (assuming he gets there). Capa unfortunately had determination of 2 on my save, so I binned him pretty quickly, and De Marcos is now 31 so i'm looking at options. I have a few youth prospects who should fill the gaps though

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2 hours ago, bowieinspace said:

Whether he's worth 99 million or not is probably not a fair question, but yeah I would say he's a lot better than both, certainly once at full potential (assuming he gets there). Capa unfortunately had determination of 2 on my save, so I binned him pretty quickly, and De Marcos is now 31 so i'm looking at options. I have a few youth prospects who should fill the gaps though

Restarting my save with Athletic as I failed epically the first time. I'm gunning for him next season when I get CL

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16 hours ago, bowieinspace said:

Whether he's worth 99 million or not is probably not a fair question, but yeah I would say he's a lot better than both, certainly once at full potential (assuming he gets there). Capa unfortunately had determination of 2 on my save, so I binned him pretty quickly, and De Marcos is now 31 so i'm looking at options. I have a few youth prospects who should fill the gaps though

He is better than both , i signed him for +- 25(or less) from chelsea. so 99 is expensive . I would pay a lot for a new leftback .. Balenziaga is getting old.

I'm in a tactic crisic once again.. tired of my strikerless formations and after i won my first trophy with my 4-3-3 .. i'm once again looking to create and play something new.

@jean , u created a 'mourinho' tactic with Bilbao , how did it work out ?

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On 2/5/2018 at 14:15, Olivierlandman said:

He is better than both , i signed him for +- 25(or less) from chelsea. so 99 is expensive . I would pay a lot for a new leftback .. Balenziaga is getting old.

I'm in a tactic crisic once again.. tired of my strikerless formations and after i won my first trophy with my 4-3-3 .. i'm once again looking to create and play something new.

@jean , u created a 'mourinho' tactic with Bilbao , how did it work out ?

Not too well in the end. Got the  heave-ho at the end of the season. The Basque Challenge is just WAAY too restrictive in order to get the best out of that tactic. I needed to rebuild the squad in order for it to work

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9 hours ago, Olivierlandman said:

He is better than both , i signed him for +- 25(or less) from chelsea. so 99 is expensive . 

Yeah he's definitely not worth 99million. I had 150 million in the bank though, and with only him and Oyarzabal on the market who could improve my squad (the latter recently signed for Chelsea) it would be worth it for me even at that price. Sadly though, it wasn't to be and he continues to elude me.

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1 minute ago, Purple Frog said:

Wow Aduriz retired before my second season, Raul Garcia out with a long term injury. . .

The only attacking options left are  kenan kodro and inaki Williams .  . .

Might have to ditch the 4 2 3 1 I guess

Any tips??

Inaki Williams is an obvious option for sure. Villalibre is also very good and will likely improve well. How good he will get will be dependent on your specific save but he's definitely worth giving minutes to. 

I've not signed Kenan Kodro but someone else on here did and said nothing positive. Take a look at Jon Bautista and Imanol Agirretxe as well. Agirretxe is getting older, but as a rotation option with Williams he could be a decent option. Bautista a slightly different player to Agirretxe (latter more of a target man, Bautista is a bit more well rounded). 

Your other option is to use Sabin Merino up there, I've had some success with him up front here and there.

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12 minutes ago, bowieinspace said:

Inaki Williams is an obvious option for sure. Villalibre is also very good and will likely improve well. How good he will get will be dependent on your specific save but he's definitely worth giving minutes to. 

I've not signed Kenan Kodro but someone else on here did and said nothing positive. Take a look at Jon Bautista and Imanol Agirretxe as well. Agirretxe is getting older, but as a rotation option with Williams he could be a decent option. Bautista a slightly different player to Agirretxe (latter more of a target man, Bautista is a bit more well rounded). 

Your other option is to use Sabin Merino up there, I've had some success with him up front here and there.

Yes . . . Kodro has brilliant games once every season :(

With villalibre not up to par yet. . . I guess I'll look at bautista

Thanks:)

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18 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Not too well in the end. Got the  heave-ho at the end of the season. The Basque is just WAAY too restrictive in order to get the best out of that tactic. I needed to rebuild the squad in order for it to work

First i was thinking about creating something similar.. now I'm thinking about an attacking concept.. 

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An end of October 2018 update...as the Summer window came to a close I knew we were potentially light in central midfield if Benat and Itturaspe got injured. I've tried to retrain Raul Garcia as a more complete central midfield, but we needed immediate reinforcements. Roberto Torres was probably the best option available, but Pamplona would only deal with us if we met his release fee (12.5m). It's more than we wanted to pay, especially as he is 29, but as we had the funds available, the board signed to deal off.

Six La Liga games in, and we're third, with four wins and two draws:

Valladolid (A) 1-1 (Bautista)

Vigo (H) 2-1 (Susaeta, Muniain)

Leonesa (H) 4-1 (San Jose x2, Susaeta, Muniain)

Valencia (A) 1-1 (Muniain)

Real San Sebastian (A) 4-2 (Benat, Muniain, Arduriz x2)

Getafe (H) 4-1 (Susaeta, Muniain, Bautista, Diarra)

Also, so far we've won our first Europa League tie, 1-0 (H) against Legia Warsaw (Merino)

Top rated players so far are Muniain (7.55), San Jose (7.40), Susaeta (7.39), Arduriz (7.25) - and more encouraging Zubeldia (7.16), Cap (7.14) and Yeray (7.13).

Underperformers include Williams (6.76), Itturaspe (6.79) and Laporte (6.89). We'll expect these guys to improve their form. 

 

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10 hours ago, dothestrand said:

An end of October 2018 update...as the Summer window came to a close I knew we were potentially light in central midfield if Benat and Itturaspe got injured. I've tried to retrain Raul Garcia as a more complete central midfield, but we needed immediate reinforcements. Roberto Torres was probably the best option available, but Pamplona would only deal with us if we met his release fee (12.5m). It's more than we wanted to pay, especially as he is 29, but as we had the funds available, the board signed to deal off.

Six La Liga games in, and we're third, with four wins and two draws:

Valladolid (A) 1-1 (Bautista)

Vigo (H) 2-1 (Susaeta, Muniain)

Leonesa (H) 4-1 (San Jose x2, Susaeta, Muniain)

Valencia (A) 1-1 (Muniain)

Real San Sebastian (A) 4-2 (Benat, Muniain, Arduriz x2)

Getafe (H) 4-1 (Susaeta, Muniain, Bautista, Diarra)

Also, so far we've won our first Europa League tie, 1-0 (H) against Legia Warsaw (Merino)

Top rated players so far are Muniain (7.55), San Jose (7.40), Susaeta (7.39), Arduriz (7.25) - and more encouraging Zubeldia (7.16), Cap (7.14) and Yeray (7.13).

Underperformers include Williams (6.76), Itturaspe (6.79) and Laporte (6.89). We'll expect these guys to improve their form. 

 

Vega Rico and aketxe

would be some ok placeholders

Aketxe in my save is working wonders salvaged a draw with atletico madrid

OR have you already sold them?

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Hi all,

Quick question regarding youth intake from affiliates.

4 seasons in and I currently have Hajduk (Croatia), Junior (Colombia), Leeds (England), Leiria (Portugal), Sochaux (France) and Sparta (Holland) all as affiliates with the "send youth to train" link.

In other games I've had plenty of youngsters come to my clubs via these affiliations. I understand the whole Basque only policy but is it possible at all to get youth through your intake through these affiliate with Bilbao?

Has anyone ever had such youngsters show up?  

These links are still useful for loaning out players but I just wondered if it was ever a possibility (however slim) to get youth from them.

Cheers :thup:

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2 minutes ago, ben carter said:

Hi all,

Quick question regarding youth intake from affiliates.

4 seasons in and I currently have Hajduk (Croatia), Junior (Colombia), Leeds (England), Leiria (Portugal), Sochaux (France) and Sparta (Holland) all as affiliates with the "send youth to train" link.

In other games I've had plenty of youngsters come to my clubs via these affiliations. I understand the whole Basque only policy but is it possible at all to get youth through your intake through these affiliate with Bilbao?

Has anyone ever had such youngsters show up?  

These links are still useful for loaning out players but I just wondered if it was ever a possibility (however slim) to get youth from them.

Cheers :thup:

Sorry this isn't an answer but is getting foreign affiliates possible??

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50 minutes ago, Purple Frog said:

Sorry this isn't an answer but is getting foreign affiliates possible??

Yeah. I've got the six I outlined over my 4 seasons. I also forgot Beerschot (Belgium) from my list, so seven.

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2 hours ago, ben carter said:

Hi all,

Quick question regarding youth intake from affiliates.

4 seasons in and I currently have Hajduk (Croatia), Junior (Colombia), Leeds (England), Leiria (Portugal), Sochaux (France) and Sparta (Holland) all as affiliates with the "send youth to train" link.

In other games I've had plenty of youngsters come to my clubs via these affiliations. I understand the whole Basque only policy but is it possible at all to get youth through your intake through these affiliate with Bilbao?

Has anyone ever had such youngsters show up?  

These links are still useful for loaning out players but I just wondered if it was ever a possibility (however slim) to get youth from them.

Cheers :thup:

You won't get anyone coming to the club who doesn't meet the basque only requirements, so no, you won't see any players coming from the affiliates there.

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3 hours ago, Purple Frog said:

Vega Rico and aketxe

would be some ok placeholders

Aketxe in my save is working wonders salvaged a draw with atletico madrid

OR have you already sold them?

 

Yeah I've sold them already. Of the top tier Basques, I reckon Montreal may be the next option if Arsenal transfer list him, but obviously he's not too young. Hoping that some decent youngsters come through in the Spring.

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Aketxe is pretty good this year, tends to perform well I've found.

I kept him around as back up (or loaned him out) for a couple of seasons and he always did well when he came into the team. Sadly he started skipping training regularly when he wasn't playing so I got rid of him. 

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10 hours ago, bowieinspace said:

Aketxe is pretty good this year, tends to perform well I've found.

I kept him around as back up (or loaned him out) for a couple of seasons and he always did well when he came into the team. Sadly he started skipping training regularly when he wasn't playing so I got rid of him. 

Oh players skip training willfully?

Never knew

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7 minutes ago, Purple Frog said:

Oh players skip training willfully?

Never knew

Yeah they can do. It depends on their personality attributes so not all would, but if they're unhappy they can start missing training. Newgens can get up to some other funny stuff too that real players can't

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Managing Athletic in FM17, and 3 seasons in, pre-season ahead of my fourth. 

 

How do you guys balance the distribution of you're youth players across Bilbao, Basconia, U19's and loaning them out?

Obviously with the view to maximise their development. How do you necessarily decide whether player x should be moved to Basconia, and not sit in the u19's. I haven't the 4th league loaded, so any stats gained playing for Basconia aren't totally real I guess.

At the moment I'm making sure I'm tutoring them up as soon as I can, and having them on specialist training plans. So by end of their first year at the club all intakes, or youth players brought in will have a decent personality/professionalism to really get their development rolling. Likewise with anyone that I've brought in at 16. 

But how do you guys know or decide where to distribute your youth team players? 

My B team at the moment is fairly strong, or certainly will be this season. I've brought in a few pros with decent personalities that can tutor, so there a few players that could defiantly be playing Liga 123, along with likes of Sabin, Aketxe and Villalibre. They finished just outside the play-off places in the Segunda despite the aformentioned players having great seasons. 

Now as I approach a new season, out of my best youth players - the ones that could be getting games on the bench of lower La Liga, and playing in 123 - is it better that I keep them in the B team so that I know they're playing, and I can monitor training - or just loan them out to highest standard club possible?

Similarly with Basconia - due to them not playing in a playable league - would it not be better to have any player that would be in the C team loaned out to an AI, or just be in the u19's?

 

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5 hours ago, BrianMunich said:

Managing Athletic in FM17, and 3 seasons in, pre-season ahead of my fourth. 

 

How do you guys balance the distribution of you're youth players across Bilbao, Basconia, U19's and loaning them out?

Obviously with the view to maximise their development. How do you necessarily decide whether player x should be moved to Basconia, and not sit in the u19's. I haven't the 4th league loaded, so any stats gained playing for Basconia aren't totally real I guess.

At the moment I'm making sure I'm tutoring them up as soon as I can, and having them on specialist training plans. So by end of their first year at the club all intakes, or youth players brought in will have a decent personality/professionalism to really get their development rolling. Likewise with anyone that I've brought in at 16. 

But how do you guys know or decide where to distribute your youth team players? 

My B team at the moment is fairly strong, or certainly will be this season. I've brought in a few pros with decent personalities that can tutor, so there a few players that could defiantly be playing Liga 123, along with likes of Sabin, Aketxe and Villalibre. They finished just outside the play-off places in the Segunda despite the aformentioned players having great seasons. 

Now as I approach a new season, out of my best youth players - the ones that could be getting games on the bench of lower La Liga, and playing in 123 - is it better that I keep them in the B team so that I know they're playing, and I can monitor training - or just loan them out to highest standard club possible?

Similarly with Basconia - due to them not playing in a playable league - would it not be better to have any player that would be in the C team loaned out to an AI, or just be in the u19's?

 

As far as I can see

Regular playing time is the key

So loan players out to the highest league that will offer key player or first team status. . . .

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Anyone signed Alex Berenguer from Torino? He's a left/right midfielder, versatile and available for around 8m. Stats aren't too great, Just 11-13 in key areas but the scouts like him. With Arduriz retiring I may need Williams up front so may need backup for Susaeta as I don't think Unai Lopez is going to improve.

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1 hour ago, dothestrand said:

Anyone signed Alex Berenguer from Torino? He's a left/right midfielder, versatile and available for around 8m. Stats aren't too great, Just 11-13 in key areas but the scouts like him. With Arduriz retiring I may need Williams up front so may need backup for Susaeta as I don't think Unai Lopez is going to improve.

I've just done that

Susaeta Is injured and he's my first choice right wing

He is quite nice. . . 

Irl when Torino got him they agreed to pay extra if they sold him to athletic

I guess that's not implemented in the game tho

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20 hours ago, BrianMunich said:

Managing Athletic in FM17, and 3 seasons in, pre-season ahead of my fourth. 

 

How do you guys balance the distribution of you're youth players across Bilbao, Basconia, U19's and loaning them out?

Obviously with the view to maximise their development. How do you necessarily decide whether player x should be moved to Basconia, and not sit in the u19's. I haven't the 4th league loaded, so any stats gained playing for Basconia aren't totally real I guess.

At the moment I'm making sure I'm tutoring them up as soon as I can, and having them on specialist training plans. So by end of their first year at the club all intakes, or youth players brought in will have a decent personality/professionalism to really get their development rolling. Likewise with anyone that I've brought in at 16. 

But how do you guys know or decide where to distribute your youth team players? 

My B team at the moment is fairly strong, or certainly will be this season. I've brought in a few pros with decent personalities that can tutor, so there a few players that could defiantly be playing Liga 123, along with likes of Sabin, Aketxe and Villalibre. They finished just outside the play-off places in the Segunda despite the aformentioned players having great seasons. 

Now as I approach a new season, out of my best youth players - the ones that could be getting games on the bench of lower La Liga, and playing in 123 - is it better that I keep them in the B team so that I know they're playing, and I can monitor training - or just loan them out to highest standard club possible?

Similarly with Basconia - due to them not playing in a playable league - would it not be better to have any player that would be in the C team loaned out to an AI, or just be in the u19's?

 

I keep a few +21 year old players (cheap ) for my Bilbao team.

all the good youngsters are loaned out to a higher league. If not possible they stay in the Bilbao squad or u19 squad. the bad 16/17 go to basconia.

The two or three best 17/18 year old stay in my first team (train) but play for BIlbao.

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The 18-19 season is over. For most of the season we were in the top three (Madrid were relatively struggling in 4th) but towards the end of the season we stumbled as we faced our rivals in the run-in. Going into the last day we were fifth with Sevilla ahead of us on GD, and Villareal behind on GD. All to play for then! We had the home tie and we duly dispatched Espanyol 3-0 to squeak into 4th and CL football.

The early season form amongst the squad dipped in the latter stages of the season. Susaeta, Williams and Muniain were the strongest performers across the season.

By two seasons in, you notice how quickly the squad is ageing. Arduriz is retiring, Garcia, Benat, Susaeta, Balenziaga, Torres and Iturraspe are all 30+ plus and much more susceptible to injury.

On the flip side to this, Diarra is still only 20 and developing nicely, and some of youth players got game time in the cups and are moving along nicely. Some are around 2/3 years off a regular squad place so hopefully these players can develop on loan at 1st/2nd division teams.

We had elections will a new president who's looking for a new manager. He hasn't pushed the trigger button yet, but I imagine at the first signs of trouble those fingers will get itchy.

With 20m for transfers, there aren't many Basques worth pursuing but the new batch of youngsters that came through in April will be pursued aggressively. We've already spent 6m on a 16yo from Athletico Madrid. He can play both wings but more comfortable as an AM and should be competing with Diarra for that position full time once Garcia moves on at the end of next season. Double figure stats in the key physical and technical areas. Levante have this CB with stats of 15 already in marking/positioning/tackling with a release fee of 3.2m but he won't budge! We'll keep coming back though.

I'm also expecting the vultures to come around for Laporte et al. Kepa has already been unsettled by Madrid but with Ruffier valued at around 12-13m and 10y older than Kepa, why sell?

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Oh also I signed a young LB who refuses to be mentored by anyone! His happiness levels have declined to abysmal with each request. Are players like this not worth the hassle? He'll probably act up even if he makes the first team.

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1 hour ago, dothestrand said:

Oh also I signed a young LB who refuses to be mentored by anyone! His happiness levels have declined to abysmal with each request. Are players like this not worth the hassle? He'll probably act up even if he makes the first team.

Give him a little more time at the club and he’ll likely change his mind 

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Well that escalated quickly...

Laporte is gone - He became unhappy about wanting to join Man Utd, then Monaco offered the full 137million release clause. He's gone.

It has allowed me to sign Odriozola, but does leave me with a problem at CB. 

In other news - 20/21 season....we won the domestic treble and lost in the semi finals of the Champions League in unfortunate circumstances.

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35 minutes ago, bowieinspace said:

Well that escalated quickly...

Laporte is gone - He became unhappy about wanting to join Man Utd, then Monaco offered the full 137million release clause. He's gone.

It has allowed me to sign Odriozola, but does leave me with a problem at CB. 

In other news - 20/21 season....we won the domestic treble and lost in the semi finals of the Champions League in unfortunate circumstances.

Wow losing Laporte is idd a big blow . Can u sign Martinez ? i have them both (and Nunez and Yeray - won his first cap for spain) .

 

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Just now, Olivierlandman said:

Wow losing Laporte is idd a big blow . Can u sign Martinez ? i have them both (and Nunez and Yeray - won his first cap for spain) .

 

No sadly not, had a look but he signed a renewal with La Real for less money than I offered. No choice other than to push ahead with Yeray, Nunez and two regens. One of the regens is going to be very very good, but he's some way off being first team ready. 

Massive loss, no doubt about it. I didn't think anyone would go near the release clause 

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1 minute ago, bowieinspace said:

No sadly not, had a look but he signed a renewal with La Real for less money than I offered. No choice other than to push ahead with Yeray, Nunez and two regens. One of the regens is going to be very very good, but he's some way off being first team ready. 

Massive loss, no doubt about it. I didn't think anyone would go near the release clause 

no idd.. that is a lot of money !

I fixed my search for a new formation and decided to stop playing my strikerless tactics .

I made one to play at home , one to control the game (last 30/20 minutes) and a counter version for when i'm the underdog .
Screen_Hunter_247_Feb_11_10_08.jpg

 

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11 minutes ago, Olivierlandman said:

no idd.. that is a lot of money !

I fixed my search for a new formation and decided to stop playing my strikerless tactics .

I made one to play at home , one to control the game (last 30/20 minutes) and a counter version for when i'm the underdog .
Screen_Hunter_247_Feb_11_10_08.jpg

 

Yeah all of that up front is pretty insane, couldn’t believe it. Sadly it combined with him wanting to go to man united, so he was unsettled and I couldn’t negotiate a new deal. 

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With me, as long as we made CL football Laporte was willing to stay and he signed a new deal for a release fee of 100m. San Jose is getting no younger though so I have to be careful about moving him on just in case Laporte does go. Yeray is fine, Nunez still needs more time but I have some good young players a couple of years off breaking through. I just hope I can hold onto him but I doubt CL football will pacify him long.

Herrera came up for sale in my game and even though we didn't have the funds available, a quick beg to the owners did pay off!

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