Gandy Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Has anyone actually failed to meet the regulations? No matter how much I spend, I still manage to stay in the black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Thunder Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 If you're a club with stable finances you won't run into an issue. FFP is (According to it's proponents. I won't get into the ethics debate that it seems to bring) designed to prevent clubs from bankrupting themselves by overspending on players, with the hope that they can recoup the losses by getting far enough in tournaments like the UEFA CL, as well as stopping Man City syndrome, where a club gets bought out by a supremely weathly individual, who just pumps money into it, without the club actually being able to support itself if the individual pulled out. But if your team can pay the bills on it's own merits, FFP shouldn't ever impact you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 I know how it all works, just wondering if anyone has been hit with it. I've seen Manchester United get sanctioned on someone's save .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneronaldo Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Manchester United start the game with some pretty heavy debts, and the repayments IIRC take about 10m per month. So yeah, if the AI isn't good at wheeling and dealing to keep the club in the black then they are screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinningForumVisitor Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 what happens when you go bad it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Docked points (Premier League breach) and banned from continental competition (if you fail to meet UEFA's FFP regulations) for a season .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottingham Forest Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I've seen it happen quite a lot a in the Football League. Mainly clubs like Leicester, QPR etc etc if they don't get promoted in their first season being fined in their second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Drundrige Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Has anyone experienced the transfer embargo in the Championship as a result of FFP? I took over a struggling League One Wolves in 2016 and got promoted in 2nd place, and now in the Championship I am predicted to make approx 10m loss this season...I assume because I am currently playing at the Ricoh Arena while Molineux is being upgrades to 45k seats and I'm not really making any money from my gate (my avg gate is around 16k). I've read you don't get penalised as long as you actually get promoted...but there's any outside chance of that as a newly promoted team, although i'm in the playoff positions after 10 games or so. I think I've got two options - spend big in January to try and get up and if I don't live with the consequences (and get gate receipt income from my new big stadium) or the second option is to sell half my first team and get back in the black. Option 1 it is then. I'd be interested to see if anyone actually had been hit by the embargo and how (if) they got out of it?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thethe Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 The embargo hit me, while in League 2. I sold the players I could sell, released the rest and kept a few of the best players to build the team around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philarmonic Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Im all for the FFP rules, as long as SI gave us tools that could monitor and manage them effectively. http://gyazo.com/43f475e0bd1f66ec4cae5b6e080256d7 this screen grab was taken in March, all looks good from here and my monthly board confidence reports said the same. Then at the end of May after the season had just finished... http://gyazo.com/c31455a02889f743e195ba8a4fa7c69a So in just over a month it had dropped significantly. All still seems...ok. Then end of May, rules kick in and http://gyazo.com/30b8cd93ffbbe78e8a22041d7b1359c4 This season I was safe after a 30m investment from the board. However.... the previous two season I had been FFP'd and was out of europe both seasons and had -5 points in the prem the second. The kicker to all this, its in a network game, and Swansea have a net transfer spend of £1bn in the previous 5 seasons, and havent been FFP'd, how do they avoid it? Massive sponsorship deals of £100-£200m per season that kick in the news item before FFP. So in terms of FFP in this game, great in idea, but absolutely terrible in its implementation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Im all for the FFP rules, as long as SI gave us tools that could monitor and manage them effectively.http://gyazo.com/43f475e0bd1f66ec4cae5b6e080256d7 this screen grab was taken in March, all looks good from here and my monthly board confidence reports said the same. Then at the end of May after the season had just finished... http://gyazo.com/c31455a02889f743e195ba8a4fa7c69a So in just over a month it had dropped significantly. All still seems...ok. Then end of May, rules kick in and http://gyazo.com/30b8cd93ffbbe78e8a22041d7b1359c4 This season I was safe after a 30m investment from the board. However.... the previous two season I had been FFP'd and was out of europe both seasons and had -5 points in the prem the second. The kicker to all this, its in a network game, and Swansea have a net transfer spend of £1bn in the previous 5 seasons, and havent been FFP'd, how do they avoid it? Massive sponsorship deals of £100-£200m per season that kick in the news item before FFP. So in terms of FFP in this game, great in idea, but absolutely terrible in its implementation. Whilst the finance screens aren't great, you should be able to manage FFP better than you have been by just looking at that one screenshot. In terms of Swansea they have had a tycoon takeover and large sponsorship deals are how tycoons get around around FFP rules both IRL and FM, it is working how it is supposed to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philarmonic Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Whilst the finance screens aren't great, you should be able to manage FFP better than you have been by just looking at that one screenshot.In terms of Swansea they have had a tycoon takeover and large sponsorship deals are how tycoons get around around FFP rules both IRL and FM, it is working how it is supposed to be. Here we go, rushing to their defence again. The forecast calculations are massively out, these are the tools in game that allow you to see how you're doing, and whether you need to sell a player, cut wages etc. If my projections in both the board confidence reports and the financial reports (graphs and summary as above) show Im due to make 110m profit, then that should be roughly where you finish. Going from 110m, to 45k within 2 months is materially different. As things stand, the tools and forecasts in game do not work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Here we go, rushing to their defence again. The forecast calculations are massively out, these are the tools in game that allow you to see how you're doing, and whether you need to sell a player, cut wages etc. If my projections in both the board confidence reports and the financial reports (graphs and summary as above) show Im due to make 110m profit, then that should be roughly where you finish. Going from 110m, to 45k within 2 months is materially different. As things stand, the tools and forecasts in game do not work. The forecasts are very simplistic and only as good as the inputs into them. The reason they have changed so much in a short period is often because of things you have done - Sign players/staff, extend/sign new contracts etc. You really shouldn't need the forecasts to be able to manage FFP effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philarmonic Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 The forecasts are very simplistic and only as good as the inputs into them. Correct this is my point, the tools and forecasts dont work. SI need to make them effective otherwise what is the point in them being there. If youre going to implement something as important and game changing as FFP, you need to have the tools alongside it to manage it correctly. The reason they have changed so much in a short period is often because of things you have done - Sign players/staff, extend/sign new contracts etc. It was March to May. No players were signed as the window was shut and no player contacts were renewed. There may have been a few staff renewals, but I dont have any tea ladies on 50m a month. You really shouldn't need the forecasts to be able to manage FFP effectively. Again, please stop with the "YOU should be able to manage it more effectively." I could sit here and not spend the money they give me in a transfer budget and wage budget, but Im the manager, not the club accountant. If my board say heres a wage budget of £X and a transfer budget of £Y, then why shouldnt I spend it. Is a game to be enjoyed, not a game where you have to be mystic meg with a calculator to work out if you'll fail FFP or not. Im trying to input some justified criticism of the games mechanics in order to improve it for everyone, yet you keep trying to bring it to a personal level. You've stated yourself the forecasts are simplistic, and thats fine for them to show a simplified summary, but a lot of work needs to go on behind the scenes to make the simplified summary pertinent to the user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke159 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Wow that would really annoy me if I was hit that hard, but then again I'm the kind of player who does wheeling and dealing in the lower league's so its easier to manage your finances without ever worrying of the FFP. How is the FFP rule compared to real life, spot on, easier in the game or harder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philarmonic Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Wow that would really annoy me if I was hit that hard, but then again I'm the kind of player who does wheeling and dealing in the lower league's so its easier to manage your finances without ever worrying of the FFP.How is the FFP rule compared to real life, spot on, easier in the game or harder? From all accounts, the rules themselves seem fine, including cheaty sponsoship deals from tycoon clubs, the issue however is reliability of the management tools given to us. When you show a massive profit (almsot 200m in Jan), why would you bother selling any players. If in Jan it showed you were only forecast to make £10m, say based on achieving a league position of 4th (which could be where you are at that point in time), then you may think I need to mitigate that risk, and sell someone in the window before it closes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wlv Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Man City 2027 got their place revoked in the champions league due to FFP. Newcastle who finished 5th got it instead :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke159 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 So basically you need to sign players that you may never use in the knowledge that you will sell him later on for a profit, either that season or at some point down the line. Buying for the sake of buying, I don't like the sound of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking busy Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I've seen Man Utd get docked points for it in my save and a few others that have been posted on here. On a similar vein has anyone gone in to administration? I've seen it happen to AI clubs. I thought I might in a previous save I was in the Skril Prem with AFC Fylde and we were over £500,000 in the red but we didn't seem to be in danger of administration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Drundrige Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Glad I brought this back up! I've decided to spend to try and win promotion - signed a new striker on a free and have a new midfielder joining in the transfer window - plus i've got some contracts to renew. I'm going to give it a go to get up, but I'm also interested to see what happens if I don't go up and if I can operate under a transfer embargo... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Drundrige Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Thanks Alex. And the fine (IRL) goes to charity I believe, which is nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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