Yid Army Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 VERSION 2 OUT NOW: http://rapidshare.com/files/296483284/Spurs_4-4-2__Tottenham__Aug_2009_.tac This tactic is a relativly attacking 4-4-2 formation, developed mainly by using common sense, real-life knowledge, and tweaking with info from the new match analysis tool. The team instructions are as follows...: Philosophy: Fluid Starting Stratagy: Control Passing Style: Default Creative Freedom: More Expressive Closing Down: Press More Tackling: Default Marking: Default Crossing: Default Roaming: More Roaming Primary Playmaker: MCL (Modric first choice) Primary Target Man: RST (Crouch first choice Target Man Supply: To Head ...and these player roles/dutys...: GK: Goalkeeper, Defend DR/L: Full Back, Support DCL/R: Central Defender, Defend MR/L: Winger, Attack MCL: Advanced Playmaker, Attack MCR: Ball Winning Midfielder, Defend STL: Advanced Forward, Attack STR: Target Man, Support ...the following changes were made to these roles in the 'advanced' section...: DR/L: Long Shots: Rarely MR/L: Cross From: Mixed, Wide Play: Cut Inside STR/L: Long Shots: Rarely STR: Cross Ball: Rarely ... this is my first choice line up...: GK: Gomes RB: Corluka LB: Ekotto CB: King, Woodgate (side doesn't matter, they are identical) MR: Lennon ML: Kranjcar MCL: Modric MCR: Palacios STL: Keane STR: Crouch This tactic has only been tested with Tottenham, but I feel it should be succesful at nearly any team. Any feedback is very welcome, as long as it is constructive. Thank you for trying my tactic, I hope it brings you much success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thnigelfc Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 tried your tactic with southampton over a 8 game period W 5 D 2 L 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_the_pea Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 am tryin now. won 1st game ( man united ) 1 - 0 home to arsenal only 2 shots on target tho. will see how i get on against lesser teams. im pleased i beat arsenal tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yid Army, can you post a little more info about the tactic please. im a spurs fan too, and from the looks of your line up your trying to re-create the way spurs are playing at the moment. how does modric play for you in the middle rather than on the left? i tried a number of times in fm09 to get him to play in the middle but his performances were a lot better from the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew_234 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 How are you playing Kranjacar on the left ? eg Advanced Playmaker If so does it work well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yid Army Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 Am not going to go in depth ATM b/c I am currently working on V2, should be up today/tmorrow, will post more detail with that sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yid Army Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 Version 2 out now, link and info in op. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yid Army Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 Any feedback from al those (only 8:() people who are running V2? Is it a significant improvement, or does it need a lot more work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intergral Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 hi....where can i download version 2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yid Army Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 The link is in the OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC-00 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hey Yid, I used your version 1 tactic for my newcastle team and it worked very well, bearing in mind, the players i have and i'm sure it'll be better at some point when i have funds to buy better players. I'm going to try out your version 2 tactic now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yid Army Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share Posted October 25, 2009 Cool, let me know how you get on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRE23 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Well, with all due respect, I disagree with some parts, although the general idea is the same: Corlucka and Ekoto are set to wingbacks and on automatick duty to adapt to alterations during the match They look to overlap when attacking/home/against lower team Bassong & King play a flat line of four given stopper instructions. King could play ball playing DC when vs lower team. When playing "cover" Assman says they are used to close down opponents more. No MCd could fit the role of Ball Winning in my view. They would play better as deep lying playmakers. Modric is better than Kronjcer in AML. At the moment I have a problem combining Crouch with Keane as they seem both better to play deep. Courch as target man/support and Robbie as deep lyign forward/support. At the moment I have to play either Crouch-Defoe (Defoe as poacher), Deofe-Keane and to lower extent Defoe-Pavl So my best line up would be GK Gomez/Keeper/Defend WB L/R Ekoto/Corlucka/Wingbacks/Automatic MCd Jenas Deep Lying/Defend Mca Kronjcer Advanced playmaker/Support Wingers Modric/Bentley attacking Target Man Crouch support Poacher Defoe attack I like to push high, wide, quick, exploit the flanks, look for overlaps. So far only friendlies played...:-( but I have won by wide margins and scored too many (5-2, 3-1, 2-0, 4-1) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC-00 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hey Yid, I've used your tactic for a couple of games with the exact same players in the team. i've noticed that i'm conceding more goals but scoring plenty. I want to test it for the complete demo like i did with your version 1 tactic than couple of games and i'll let you know how i get on. But from the changes you have made, i'am very happy with the version 2 tactic and i have alot more possession too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRE23 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Just beaten Brescia in away friendly match 7-0. Fluid/Balanced/default passing, default pressing, default tackling, more roaming, default creativeness, zonal marking GK Gomez DL/R Ekotto, Corluka (Wingbacks, Automatic) DC DC Bassong King (DC, Stoppers) AML/R (Wingers, Support) MCd Palacios (Deep Lying Playmaker, Defend) MCa Kronjcar (Advanced Playmaker, Support) SCR Crouch (Target Man, Support) SCL Keane (Deep Luying, Attack) I scored 5 in the first half, then changed 7/11 and got another 2 in 2nd The only constant Touchline Shout I ised was to Hussle Opponents. I also tried some flank play, some overlap attempts, some push higher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyh60 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Just beaten Brescia in away friendly match 7-0. Give me a break what does that mean anyway, yes if you say you've finished in top 4 after 21 games then fair enough but more results in prem would be useful before I start thinking about any tactics on here!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRE23 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 You are absolutely right. It is just that this post follows my previous which says that unfortunately I have just tested this tactic on friendlies. However, even for friendly matches, the wins are dominant and with heavy scores. This last post about winning over Brescia was an add-on to my previous post. This is why I believe it's worth giving it a try. I will post again with regular season matches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavs Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Starting using the Version 2 tactic with Spurs so will let you know - so far so good though, have just beaten Chelsea 3-1! Lovely stuff. Do seem to scoring a fair few - In friendlies alone I won 7-0 and 6-1. (I know friendlies don't count, but was a good way for the players to get used to the tactic) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRE23 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 First match of the season vs West Ham at Home. 4-1 and conceded first. King, Keane, Defoe, Modric scored. Halft time 1-1. Too many chances for me, dominated the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hobgob Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Just giving it ago with my Villa team, ive changed the ML/MR to AML/AMR would you suggest any alterations to make up for this emphasis on attack? I have also changed the advanced forward to a poacher as I feel that better suits Gabby. GK: Friedel RB: Young/Beye CB: Zapata CB: Dunne/Davis LB: Warnock CMd: Palombo/NRC CMa: Hamsik/Delph AMR: Milner AML: Young Poacher: Gabby Target: Heskey/Carew Villa 2 - 0 Colchester (Agbonlahor x2) Kilmarnock 1 - 7 Villa (NRC x1, Agbonlahor x2, Carew x1, Delph x1, Heskey x2) I know its only two games in but I'm yet to see anything inspiring from corners, how is your Tottenham team performing in this regard? Ill keep you posted with results. --------------------------------- New results: Livingston 0 - 5 Villa (Carew x2, A Young x1, Hamsik x1, Milner x1) Villa 2 - 2 FC Timisoara (NRC x1, Milner x1) Quite disappointed with this result but it is only a friendly. Yeovil 0 - 4 Villa (Delph x1, Carew x1, Agbonlahor x1, Heskey x1) Villa 0 - 3 Man C (Friendly) Destroyed in about every way! Premier League: Liverpool 4 - 1 Villa Destroyed in about every way! Holiday mode: IKF Goteberg 1- 2 Villa Portsmouth 2 - 2 Villa Villa 4 - 0 IKF Goteberg Villa 1 - 2 Stoke Villa 2 - 1 Hull Tottenham 1 - 4 Villa Villa 0 - 0 PSV Villa 2 - 0 Preston Bolton 1 - 1 Villa I would accept that if it weren't for the Stoke result, will play more later by hand, currently in 10th position. Just can't get it working against good teams, any ideas Yid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Trying this tactic. It looks pretty good. Swans - won 1-1 Leicester - drew 1-1 I was just about to switch but gave it another go Morecambe won 2-0 Piacenza won 6-0 Brescia won 6-0 West Ham won 4-1 (losing 1-0 at half time, gave the boys a bollocking in the shed) Burnley won 1-0 Bolton won 4-1 Crouch is the man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyh60 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 On the whole pretty good, I tried it with man city, finished 3rd with record p 21 w 14 d 3 l 4 defeats at man u, Everton, Chelsea and last game at liverpool. Won all but one game (0 0 with bolton) at home incl 4-1 over arsenal and 3-0 over man u. cheers then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRE23 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Trying this tactic. It looks pretty good.Swans - won 1-1 Leicester - drew 1-1 I was just about to switch but gave it another go Morecambe won 2-0 Piacenza won 6-0 Brescia won 6-0 West Ham won 4-1 (losing 1-0 at half time, gave the boys a bollocking in the shed) Burnley won 1-0 Bolton won 4-1 Crouch is the man check my post - we seem to have had the same results (Piacenza won by too many, Brescia 7-0, West Ham 4-1 HT 1-1) !!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Levy the arse justs old Modric for £11m. anyone know a decent amlc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavs Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 We all seem to be getting fairly similar results (although I lost 2-1 to Burnley!) Crouch is indeed the man - player of the month in fact! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atommo75 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 van der vaat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Just used this for the duration of the demo (went on hol most of the time) with Everton. Worked prettty well, I was 6th at the end losing 5 times all too the bigger teams big 4, Spurs, City etc. Tweaked it slightly to use as a counter tactic away from home and won 2-0 at Stamford Bridge and was robbed of a draw at the Emirates. Looks a promising tactic though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 i then lost to chelsea 2-0 and drew with villa 2-2 after being 2-0 up. drew 1-1 man city lost 3-0 to Villa in the cup i don't think this tactic is any better than other ones out there really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lam Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I use an almost identical setup and am 3rd in the league after 13 games with the second strongest defence. I find Keane works best as a deep forward role and defoe works best as a poacher. Its worth noting that if you play a standard Dline then set your wingers to through balls and Keane will pick them up very well, he did this twice against arsenal to win 3-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokes_83 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I played with Spurs as well and I found Keane to be great on deep lying in a support role, and Defoe great in advanced forward on attack duty. I disagree with somne of the above posts saying RB and LB should be wingbacks on automatic. This is a counter tactic they need to be back especially against the netter teams or else you will be skinned by the wingers all day long. It's OK to shoot BEA up the wing when playing lower league teams but against the best you need the back four to defend with help from the midfield and hit them on the break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRE23 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I played with Spurs as well and I found Keane to be great on deep lying in a support role, and Defoe great in advanced forward on attack duty.I disagree with somne of the above posts saying RB and LB should be wingbacks on automatic. This is a counter tactic they need to be back especially against the netter teams or else you will be skinned by the wingers all day long. It's OK to shoot BEA up the wing when playing lower league teams but against the best you need the back four to defend with help from the midfield and hit them on the break. It was me who said about DR, DL played as wingbacks and I think I was wrong...Playing away as Fullbacks/Support proves more solid defensively and blends the team together when creating the attack. They used to get so much forward that my wigs were experiencing congestion. Overlaps are achieved, even if you have them on FB/Support. And they become more useful when your wingers cut inside. I tweaked the tactic a bit, giving it an asymmetrical twist. Modric plays as left winger with a support duty cutting inside, while Assou-Ekoto overlaps (FB/Support). Lennon is an out and out winger, attacking, hugging the line and Hutton covers him (FB/defend). The problem is that I cannot find space for my MCLa, because he operates in the same space as Modric and Keane, who plays as Deep fwd. So far, my left side creates all the mayhem but my right side scores the goals...crazy but soo interesting to sort out! (I am top of the league won West Ham 4-1, Burnley 1-4, no player scored more than 2 goals) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTan Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Any update guys? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony1885mfc Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 would really like to try this tactic but can't getonto rapidshare for some reason. would anyone else be so kind as to have it avaliable somewhere else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Can't get the tactic as there are no free user spaces available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambie\'s Lovechild Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Anyone got some feedback as to how this works WITHOUT the superstars? A formations only as good as the weakest team that plays with it. Ill give it a shot tonight with Newport County , and see how good it really is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmtxt Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 can't download no more space for free users Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2rs1 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 mirror: http://dump.no/files/c2c61c651b0b/Spurs_4-4-2__Tottenham__Aug_2009_.tac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woowah Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 This is a much underrated tactic - have been playing with it as Brighton who are doing very nicely 4 years into game, sitting close to top of Premier league. Two good strikers, a good shot stopper a good pacy ball passing central defenders as your spine, and this team should in general score more than them. It was posted in the first week of FM10 so not have been as tweaked as much as others maybe.In general I find only slight adjustments are needed to accomadate pitch and opposition formation. I prefer 442 and have tinkered with a few other posts here (eg 442 vodu chaos - effective but not very attractive to look at), but always have returned to this in the end. I genuinely think it is worth another look as an effective and entertaining tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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