Aquaplex Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Things i won't miss about 11.2: 1. "Current" tactic and tactic options resetting to default/mixed bugs. 2. Amount of goals scored from set pieces and corners by the AI. 3. Penalty misses. 4. 1 on 1 striker misses/unable to finish. 5. Horrible, unbelievable offside calls by the refs. 6. 1 long ball over the top, usually from the goal keeper directly to striker goals. 7. Own goals. 8. All top clubs playing defensive formations (Barca playing a 4-1-4-1...) 9. Clubs offering you straight up value for your players and nothing higher when trying to sell your players. 10. Manager picture disappearing when you reload a skin. (I'm sure this one goes further back then 11.2) Now that i got that off my chest, i'm eagerly anticipating the release of 11.3 in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 feel better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYMYK Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Haven't played alot of 11.2 so I can't recall all of the bugs but I do recall, of the bugs you mentioned, 1, 4, 6 and 7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Manager. Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 boy your in for a treat when none of the above are considerd problems and are still there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eles Gergo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 1. "Current" tactic and tactic options resetting to default/mixed bugs. - just delete them 2. Amount of goals scored from set pieces and corners by the AI. - never occurred to me, I always score far more goals from corners then I receive. Try to set up your set pieces. 3. Penalty misses. - high concentration, composure is also important to a penalty taker 4. 1 on 1 striker misses/unable to finish. - ok this could be tweaked a little 5. Horrible, unbelievable offside calls by the refs. - never seen this 6. 1 long ball over the top, usually from the goal keeper directly to striker goals. 7. Own goals. - really own goals, how many do you get? 8. All top clubs playing defensive formations (Barca playing a 4-1-4-1...) - surprised me as well playing as Man Utd in the champions league semi-final, they managed to kill off the brilliance of Messi by themselves with 4-1-4-1 9. Clubs offering you straight up value for your players and nothing higher when trying to sell your players. - agreed, well sort of reality in it but after 1 season with very good player performances the buyers shouldn't be going well XYZ is worth 2 millions, and I don't care that he scores 30+ goals every season, and he's 24. 10. Manager picture disappearing when you reload a skin. (I'm sure this one goes further back then 11.2) - not bothered sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebetu Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 1. "Current" tactic and tactic options resetting to default/mixed bugs.- just delete them 2. Amount of goals scored from set pieces and corners by the AI. - never occurred to me, I always score far more goals from corners then I receive. Try to set up your set pieces. 3. Penalty misses. - high concentration, composure is also important to a penalty taker 4. 1 on 1 striker misses/unable to finish. - ok this could be tweaked a little 5. Horrible, unbelievable offside calls by the refs. - never seen this 6. 1 long ball over the top, usually from the goal keeper directly to striker goals. 7. Own goals. - really own goals, how many do you get? 8. All top clubs playing defensive formations (Barca playing a 4-1-4-1...) - surprised me as well playing as Man Utd in the champions league semi-final, they managed to kill off the brilliance of Messi by themselves with 4-1-4-1 9. Clubs offering you straight up value for your players and nothing higher when trying to sell your players. - agreed, well sort of reality in it but after 1 season with very good player performances the buyers shouldn't be going well XYZ is worth 2 millions, and I don't care that he scores 30+ goals every season, and he's 24. 10. Manager picture disappearing when you reload a skin. (I'm sure this one goes further back then 11.2) - not bothered sorry What game do u play? tetris? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaxzel Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 The main thing I wont miss about 11.2 is, well 11.2... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eles Gergo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 No, but I'm honest. For me at least these don't problems don't hinder my experience, The transfer market is flawed a bit, but the own goal, corner goals etc they really don't occur as much to be considered as bugs or problems. And before you think I play only with big clubs and always win 4-0, I have a save with Man Utd, with Maccabi Haifa, with Churchill Utd (Northern Irish 3rd league), one game in Singapore, and others as well so I'm all over the place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo666 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 1. "Current" tactic and tactic options resetting to default/mixed bugs. - just delete them so how do i delete them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik_Dut Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 if you keep the match preparation in full fluid team blend, and then attacking movement before every match and No unnecessary rotation, you are invincible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dindle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Seems like the 4-5-1 formation preference in the Editor, such as for Guardiola, started translating in the game as 4-1-4-1 as opposed to the 4-5-1 cum 4-3-3 formation it used to, the one Guardiola uses most frequently IRL. I set all the best known exponents of this formation to prefer 4-1-2-2-1 to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebetu Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I dont agree with point 6 and its not acurrate .Indeed 1on1 comes from long ball made by goalkeeper but when is hited by a header from an apposite player and your defenders will just watch.And to add some other flaws in ME are: -marking is not working properly,defenders are to offen bypassed by strikers like they are nothing. -marking is not working properly at set pieces especially at those that come from the deeper side of the field.The defenders will stay on the side of the field and central striker being unmarked will offen go on 1vs1. -Crosses are a joke,no more to say here -target man,trequartista not working properly -closing down sliders doesnt make sense at least for me maybe im wrong here -When will SI make some guides about OI and match preparation to enlight us whats all about because they are a big enigma even tactical gurus cannot put them in the use of their tactics.And here i mean how can we use them to be effective in a logical way and to put them in good use to help us in the game and not just theories and philosphies which contradicts themself -Pacey strikers and pacey defenders are overpowered -bad positioning of the wall and of the gk in set pieces -defenders who got money before the game to sell the match and they help opossite strikers by escorting them to the goal . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dindle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 The biggest or most frustrating ME problem I've found is it seems once an attacking player is closed down by a defender that's the end of the line, they either find a pass or get tackled. Not even Messi seems to have the ability to quickly accelerate away or use skill to beat his man. In fact pace and acceleration only seem to matter much in a protracted foot race over a big length of the pitch. Nor are players much seen to be able to skip past a challenge once a defender gets near them. This is I think the biggest factor in the constant underperformance of attacking mids and wingers, they are only consistently effective if you have them play far wide on their "right side", hug the touchline and get crosses in to a target man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smileylad Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 "Not bothered Sorry" What a plank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebetu Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Indeed is a problem with strikers(even with Messi,Ronaldo doesnt matter name) when they are in 1 on 1 defender+gk they choose to go on the flanks in dead zones instead of forcing a dribble.Also of the ball u cannot make strikers to play only central if they have free space on the flanks they will go there and this is very frustrating for big strikers such Zigic,Crouch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dindle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Indeed is a problem with strikers also when they are in 1 on1 they choose to go on the flanks in dead zones instead of forcing a dribble.Also of the ball u cannot make strikers to play only central if they have free space on their side they will go there and this is very frustrating for big strikers such Zigic,Crouch.Absolutely, and I find if you try to tell them never to cross and cut inside, this merely means they charge to the touchline and hesitate, and instead of crossing they then try to come inside, by which point somebody has closed them down and defenders have gotten back into the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eles Gergo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 "Not bothered Sorry" What a plank. Well, sorry if I offended you with my way of seeing things, but for me not able to see myself in the game isn't frustrating because I never use this feature. I can however understand that some people us it and yes it can be frustrating for them. But thanks for the constructive criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eles Gergo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 1. "Current" tactic and tactic options resetting to default/mixed bugs.- just delete them so how do i delete them? Manually I guess, but just read it that it still reapers. So yes it's bigger then I thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romanista. Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 too bad 80% of them will still be in 11.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eles Gergo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 too bad 80% of them will still be in 11.3 I really hope not. Will have to wait and test it thoroughly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dindle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 80% seems a bit generous. Of those listed above I reckon the "Current" tactic bug should be fixed, that's about it. Could be wrong though. Does anyone know if anyone at SI has acknowledged problems with attacking midfielders and wingers not taking on defenders and strikers trying to always take the long way around a defender? Haven't seen it mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 80% seems a bit generous. Of those listed above I reckon the "Current" tactic bug should be fixed, that's about it. Could be wrong though. There's a post on here somewhere I stumbled across from SI listing some changes for 11.3, I can't find it now though :/ The shot placements of 1 on 1's are being tweaked CCCs that aren't actually CCCs are being recorded correctly The current tactic bug is being fixed The decisions for 'keepers for corners aimed at the far post are being tweaked Maybe AI team offers, not totally sure Goals being recorded as own goals that actually aren't Then I can't remember the rest, wish I bookmarked the post now but I'll have another look Offsides aren't a problem & penalties were fixed in 11.2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jme10 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Things i won't miss about 11.2: 1. "Current" tactic and tactic options resetting to default/mixed bugs. 2. Amount of goals scored from set pieces and corners by the AI. Not a problem for me at all, concede very little. 3. Penalty misses. No issue for me again, last season my penalty taker scored something like 17 out of 18. 4. 1 on 1 striker misses/unable to finish. No real issue for me again 5. Horrible, unbelievable offside calls by the refs. Really not sure about this one 6. 1 long ball over the top, usually from the goal keeper directly to striker goals. Rarely ever seen this. 7. Own goals. No issue at my end but too many from AI end 8. All top clubs playing defensive formations (Barca playing a 4-1-4-1...) 9. Clubs offering you straight up value for your players and nothing higher when trying to sell your players. Wrong! Sold 135mil worth of players this season so that's rubbish. 10. Manager picture disappearing when you reload a skin. (I'm sure this one goes further back then 11.2) Now that i got that off my chest, i'm eagerly anticipating the release of 11.3 in the near future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Waddle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 1) I agree it's frustrating and hope it gets sorted. 3) Penalty misses - This has always been a contentious issue in every release. For me it's more to do with being up against the mythalogical 'Super Keeper'. Out of all the penalties my team has missed, I would think that 99% of them have been saved, rather than the striker blazing wide or over. 4) I agree. I do get frustrated watching my world class strikers bear down 1 on 1 on the keeper to see them either pass it into his arms, hit the side netting or worse still head for the corner flag! 7) I would say that there are a few more than IRL, nothing too major, but I would definately say that there are far too many scored by keepers. 9) It's pretty well known that the transfer system is awful in this release, I would say the worst ever. It is definately biased against human players and I have tested this several times (I have resigned and watched players I was lucky to get offers of slightly more than face value, go for 3 or 4 times their value within a week or two of me resigning). The one's I haven't mentioned are because they are not or haven't been an issue to me, so I can't really comment on them. Another one that I hope is fixed is related to the transfer system. I find it worrying to watch big teams sell off big name players and then replace them with very average squad players which they pay big money for. A lot of these players then just sit and rot in the reserves because they aren't good enough for the 1st team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dindle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 More common than long balls over the top reaching an onrushing striker, for me, is a goal kick going out to opposing defender who heads it all the way back up the field for an unrushing striker who is given a one-on-one chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 ---------- - Fixed 2 farly obscure bugs causing keepers to stray out of position at bad moments - Improved keeper behaviour as corner or cross comes in - Fixed keepers being overpowered on some point blank save attempts - Fixed CCC being registered for some chances where a defender is goalside and close to shooting player - Tried to make players head for goal a little more directly when dribbling close to opposition goal - Fixed some players continuing to mark passing player when ball is in their danger zone and passer isnt - Fine tuned difficulty of longer range shots, and shots taken at pace Match v916 ---------- - Fine tuned keeper behaviour at corners - Fine tuned marking at set pieces - Reduced multiple players going for same ball when defending set pieces - Reduced instances of players missing headers badly - Toned down tight man marking by defenders of players who have dropped deep - Rebalanced number of shirt tugs vs trips - Stopped midfield dropping back too close to defence too quickly when defending - Fixed some examples of players dallying when moving to intercept loose ball - Made players less fearful of offside when moving forward to support ball carrier - Fixed player putting ball out of play for injury when there is a realistic chance of someone putting it into the net - Fine tuned far post corner delivery - Fine tuned shot choice for better players - Tweaked "expected result" for FML matches Match v917 ---------- - Improved player marking at set pieces - Improved AI use of full backs and wing backs - Small tweak to make defenders cover their team mates a bit more willingly - Fixed centre halves bombing forward ahead of full backs when team starts counter attack - Fixed instances of players getting in way of free kick taking team mate - Fixed issue with players not being recognised as clean through caused by 915 change - Made players more conscious of getting ball onto best foot - Some small general tweaks to on ball decision making - Improved placed finish choice of corner to aim at - Improved show onto weak foot AI when marking ball player - Reduced red cards given for professional foul when there is possibly a covering player Match v918 ---------- - Fine tuned passing choice AI - Fine tuned shot choice - Fine tuned calculation of CCC's when shooting from an angle - Fixed occasional bug causing keeper to make save in bizarre direction - Make full backs generally get forward a little more willingly - Fixed further and worse instances of players getting in way of freekick taking team mate - Some fixes to marking of player carrying ball - Fine tuned general marking AI - Very small tweak to intercepting of ball AI - Fixed very rare bug where player would stop engaging ball player to push up field - Slightly narrowed D-line further in and around own area Match v919 ---------- - Small tweak to player momentum when fouled - Further adjustment to full backs to stop them going forward too early when ball in own area and hence making it hard for keeper distribution - Small change to facing direction when player makes run off ball - Made players slightly more willing to turn on ball So far.....anyway. Changes so far in the Match Engine Feedback thread http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/231054-Official-FM2011-Match-Engine-Feedback-Thread/page7?highlight=Small+tweak+player+momentum+fouled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dindle Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Thanks for the list. Sounds promising! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityAndColour Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 ----------- Fixed 2 farly obscure bugs causing keepers to stray out of position at bad moments - Improved keeper behaviour as corner or cross comes in - Fixed keepers being overpowered on some point blank save attempts - Fixed CCC being registered for some chances where a defender is goalside and close to shooting player - Tried to make players head for goal a little more directly when dribbling close to opposition goal - Fixed some players continuing to mark passing player when ball is in their danger zone and passer isnt - Fine tuned difficulty of longer range shots, and shots taken at pace Match v916 ---------- - Fine tuned keeper behaviour at corners - Fine tuned marking at set pieces - Reduced multiple players going for same ball when defending set pieces - Reduced instances of players missing headers badly - Toned down tight man marking by defenders of players who have dropped deep - Rebalanced number of shirt tugs vs trips - Stopped midfield dropping back too close to defence too quickly when defending - Fixed some examples of players dallying when moving to intercept loose ball - Made players less fearful of offside when moving forward to support ball carrier - Fixed player putting ball out of play for injury when there is a realistic chance of someone putting it into the net - Fine tuned far post corner delivery - Fine tuned shot choice for better players - Tweaked "expected result" for FML matches Match v917 ---------- - Improved player marking at set pieces - Improved AI use of full backs and wing backs - Small tweak to make defenders cover their team mates a bit more willingly - Fixed centre halves bombing forward ahead of full backs when team starts counter attack - Fixed instances of players getting in way of free kick taking team mate - Fixed issue with players not being recognised as clean through caused by 915 change - Made players more conscious of getting ball onto best foot - Some small general tweaks to on ball decision making - Improved placed finish choice of corner to aim at - Improved show onto weak foot AI when marking ball player - Reduced red cards given for professional foul when there is possibly a covering player Match v918 ---------- - Fine tuned passing choice AI - Fine tuned shot choice - Fine tuned calculation of CCC's when shooting from an angle - Fixed occasional bug causing keeper to make save in bizarre direction - Make full backs generally get forward a little more willingly - Fixed further and worse instances of players getting in way of freekick taking team mate - Some fixes to marking of player carrying ball - Fine tuned general marking AI - Very small tweak to intercepting of ball AI - Fixed very rare bug where player would stop engaging ball player to push up field - Slightly narrowed D-line further in and around own area Match v919 ---------- - Small tweak to player momentum when fouled - Further adjustment to full backs to stop them going forward too early when ball in own area and hence making it hard for keeper distribution - Small change to facing direction when player makes run off ball - Made players slightly more willing to turn on ball So far.....anyway. Yep. Now the first goal you'll concede in 11.3 will be a harmless ball played through the middle of your two centre halves who stand still or run the wrong way, the second will be a cross from a long ball down the wing while your full back stands still until the winger is well and truly past him, and the third will be a long ball over the top in which your defenders will either run forward, or approach the ball and then suddenly run on the spot or jerk backwards, allowing an attacker in. Whatever the change list is, the same major, major fundamental flaws will be in 11.3. And probably 12.0, 12.1 and 12.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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