knap Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Latest 4222 Min Pitch Size required ___Knap11.24422P100F103A36P494222p96F104A34QUAD _Tottenham_ Sep 2010_.tac - 0.00MB The Telford Tactic 4222 Min Pitch Size required Pts 108 For 138 Against 19 ___knap11.24222HyTELP108F138A19 _AFC Telford_ Apr 2011_.tac - 0.00MB 98pts 4222 Max Pitch Size _Knap11.24222p57f48a10zp98f80a25 _Tottenham_ Oct 2010_.tac - 0.00MB 98pts Spurs 4222 Hybrid tested with Spurs and Woking http://www.filefront.com/17679839/knap11.24222HybidP98F87A23-Woking-Jan-2011.tac/ Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth250480 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Hi Knap, What player requirements do you need for this tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshotbg Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 This is the best tactic I have tried for FM11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
byyy Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 idiot, this is 4-2-4 4-2-2-2 use 2 dm and 2 cm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
info0 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Depends how you look at it . 424 is also correct as is 4222 (4 defenders 2 mcs 2 ams 2 fcs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan99 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 And I'd personally class it as a 4-4-2 Obviously not a flat one, but it's still got two central midfielders, two wingers and two strikers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinu Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Well I was looking for a tactic like that and understood what the title meant Preseason says I like the tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elber Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 is it a bug tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
info0 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 There is NO such thing as bug tactic. No cheat tactic either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kledson Aguair Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 player requirements? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinu Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Hm from what I see so far in my games: Attacking wingers, creative strikers, advanced playmaker in CM, defensive midfielder, and defensive full+centrebacks. But not sure if thats what Knapp thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 With any squad you have to be flexible. For example I use at LB Bassong BAE and Bale but prefer attacking FBs. With LL you may not have a choice so a talented player in their natural position. In general I prefer MCs so push Modric out to wing or VDV to wing or retrained as forward, but you can use say a Modric Hudds combination. A 4222 does allow a more AMR/L ST type player Neymer. I usually use the DM and TM on right but change this about during games and seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshotbg Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 That`s what I`ve been doing as well. It seems quite important for the MC to be very good defensively if you`re a smaller team. I also put the faster, better dribbler on the left and a good TM on the right, but it seems to work fine with two fast strikers as well. The left striker always scores more for me. I score quite a lot from set pieces so it`s nice to have a good corner taker, I usually try to get a winger. Mbark Boussoufa from Anderlecht for example has been amazing for me on the left wing and he is comparatively cheap. Got Jovetic later and he`s a beast, but doesn`t get that many assists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Variation on original tactic http://www.zshare.net/download/8547599500ccdc39/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronic haze Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 u always make good tactics knap keep it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 4222 with less unusual settings _Knap11.24222p57f48a10zp98f80a25 _Tottenham_ Oct 2010_.tac - 0.00MB Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalfury833 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hi Knap, Love the tactic, I recently got back to in after starting a new game in Spain and would you believe it consecutive promotions to la liga! I signed some very good players and it was with Castellon tbh but still really good. One thing I started doing in my push from the liga adelante was to take the forward wingers and bring them back to ml/r immediately after having scored, will usually do the same if it's a opponent I think I'll settle for a draw with. This usually stopped the opposition equalizing, I was having way too many high scoring draws and 4-3 3-2 wins before implementing this. I also tuned time wasting to about mid levels if I lead at halftime and go ultra defensive with no cf and time waste max at around the 75th min mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Good plan with time wasting. Also worth trying moving 4 midfielders to the DM line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hi Knap, Using your tactic with Cardiff in the Prem. I had a good end to the season with it when I switched and managed to win the FA Cup. So far so good. What I've found so far though is that other tactics I've used have been good for about two-thirds of a season and then fallen away dramatically. Is this a case of the AI 'cracking' the tactic or have you just been able to use the same tactic week in and week out.? I tend to use tactics 'out of the box', so to speak. No OIs and just let the Ass Man do teamtalks. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 In FM08 I used 1 tactic week in week out , No OIs and Ass Man team talks to take Oxford from BSP to winning EPL. There was a period when I lost 3 in a row for no real reason but I would not call that tactic cracking. Sometimes there maybe a lucky spell followed by an unlucky spell but again not tactic cracking or AI changing tactics. I don't post all the tactics I have available so it is possible to mix and match variations on the 4222 with DL changes or 442s if a change is as good as rest for tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenek Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 which player should I have? what is the most important attributes etc? if you could throw together a guide that would be worth gold... im playing with leeds 2 season.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 I have a speadsheet for attributes but each position requires a combination of about 22 attributes, however I tend to use the scout reports as simpler and picks up hidden attributes. The good player guide will have plenty of ideas on quality players and I prefer quality players, as need to use a squad and I do not change a tactic just because Bassong is LB and not Bale. I also use same tactic in BSP as EPL so just needs to be quality for league but always try to buy players that are at least good for league above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I have a speadsheet for attributes but each position requires a combination of about 22 attributes, however I tend to use the scout reports as simpler and picks up hidden attributes. The good player guide will have plenty of ideas on quality players and I prefer quality players, as need to use a squad and I do not change a tactic just because Bassong is LB and not Bale. I also use same tactic in BSP as EPL so just needs to be quality for league but always try to buy players that are at least good for league above. Knap any latest updates before the 11.3 comes out? Reall struggling with tactics. Your FM08 tactics were unbelievably good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 I am testing pitch sizes and various tactic choices with a tactic not released. It's a 4222 which is 92pts on min pitch and 95pts on max pitch, but the 92pts is higher scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I am testing pitch sizes and various tactic choices with a tactic not released. It's a 4222 which is 92pts on min pitch and 95pts on max pitch, but the 92pts is higher scoring. Please send me the one with the better defence Thanks Knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 In general the less you score the less you concede, a better defence is more due to the quality of defenders. If you send me your game I can have a look at your defending issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 In general the less you score the less you concede, a better defence is more due to the quality of defenders.If you send me your game I can have a look at your defending issues. I havent started a new save for over a week as Im sick of this patch, but if you send me your tactic, I can test then send you the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 If I get time this weekend I will PM this tactic which is a standard 442. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Knap can you please PM me this one ASAP, looks really promising Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 The above is using minimum pitch size. Although it works Ok with max pitch size it scores less and concedes lees and therefore more draws. Totally opposite of what should happen! I'm just going to try one more tweak and will then PM the best version of tactic so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thanks knap. Look forward to it. Cant wait to start a new game in a few mins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Minimum pitch size required. This is tweaked version so not sure as yet which will get nod. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Send me whichever you think is the best I dont mind. I just want to start a new game lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Tactic by PM to test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
...Eternal Sin... Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 knap [/b if you want send me one of this tactic and i will test this. in what team you want to test this? make choice and i will load new game with team you decide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Knap i havent received any PM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 Not sure what happened. ____Knap11.2442P100F103A36 _Tottenham_ Jun 2011_.tac - 0.00MB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will8578 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 chuffed to bits, on my save i play at work, with my mate, been destroying everything in site with satoraxs tactic, iv been struggling to start a game on my own, so i remembered the west ham game i had with ur 442flat tactics, i was about to look for 11.2 tactic and tho and behold your latest is a flat 442, result,ah also im guessing the left cm is the more attacking and rcm the defensive of the two, up front would it be defoe left and crouch right, ie them sort of strikers or dont it matter, on my lfc(at work) save i have a regen pure poacher and higuian, would it be regen left and higuian right? thanks for your help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 This tactic needs minimum pitch size. Otherwise same as always in general TM and DM type players on right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will8578 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 many thanks.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Knap tested with Man City, and finished 4th. I concede too many CCC's. The attack is very good, but dont feel I can play away from home, without conceding at least a goal. I know you said that the less you condede, the less youll score, but I feel the defence can get a little better, and perhaps it can become a plug and play, like your 10.3 tactics. In fm08, you gave me a 4321, with two AMC's , which I won the UCL with Panathinaikos first season!! Hopefully you can make something similar, maybe in 442 shape Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Tweaked back 4 for 4222 Quad tactic with only 5 goals from corners - Min Pitch Size required ___Knap11.24422P100F103A36P494222p96F104A34QUAD _Tottenham_ Sep 2010_.tac - 0.00MB Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Quick Lower League test Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 The Telford Tactic 4222 - Min Pitch Size Pts 108 For For 138 Against 19 ___knap11.24222HyTELP108F138A19 _AFC Telford_ Apr 2011_.tac - 0.00MB Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miranda Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 FM 11 Diablo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aachen4Ever Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Hey Knap! Playing with HSV in German Bundesliga. I tried the Tottenham QUAD tactic and played against rivals Werder Bremen. 2:0 up at halftime, but then conceded 2 goals after corners (Mertesacker, Naldo > both headers). Lost 3:2. Would the Telford-tac be better for my team or is it only for LL? P.S. van Nistelrooy is perfect in the RST spot, but he gets very tired after 60 minutes. He scored 6 in the last 5 games!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 Try the Telford but both should work at any level. Diablo - No - The Telford game is available and is about player power at this level combined with a single philosophy tactic. Try the game and you can see no Diablo just players and a tactic. http://www.zshare.net/download/867891974beb6f63/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 So the Telford tactic can work at any level based we have the right players knap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 In FM10 I went to the lowest level possible (11) and used the same tactic as I use with Spurs, and I have never found a reason to change a tactical set up since starting playing this game back in FM07. IMO the key to the game are the best players and a winning tactic. As the problem appears to be defence in FM11 I have dropped the CBs mentality and CD, but I am using hard pressing for rest of team. The Telford game is just to show what happens when the best players are used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Thanks for that info knap. Look forward to testing this one, and cant wait until we all try your 11.3 tactics. Im sure they will bring much success Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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