Is there FLOPS issue / features in FM ?

For example Berbatov and Shevchenko 30 million move to Man Utd and Chelsea respectively and play like 10 million striker. Their still have great attributes but just not perform.

Does anyone face this issue ? or is this features available in FM ?

No, I can't say I have had expensive flops. FM gives you perfect information, unlike real life.

Now on the other hand, if attributes are all hidden and you can only judge by ratings, then maybe.

Though I have noticed my players sometimes play worse when loaned out/sold, even against lesser competition. I put it down to maybe tactics, and horrible computer man management - the computer managers love to fine players for random stuff it seems, which ruins morale, then bad performance, then even worse morale, a visious cycle.

well if i pay heavy over the odds for a player then for sure yes u could call them flops considering the price tag.

Paid big money for Mamadou Sakho for Man City, and his average rating is a lot lower than his partner Nedum Onouha, so I would say he's been a flop so far, but hopefully will improve as he is still young.

I paid 19 million GBP for Neymar and his is underperforming, but he has been only two months at Man Utd, I hope time will prove that he was a star signing and not a flop.

Absolutely.

Possibly the biggest issue in "true flops" is the Consistency hidden attribute and Important Match hidden attribute. These will significantly impact your player and simply make him very bad or atleast alot worse than he looks, either regularly or in key games.

Ontop of this comes players with poor personalities that are quite simply incredibly difficult to man manage.

And then you have injury-proneness that can turn even the best of players in the above context into a complete and utter liability, a wasted substitution at best.

Combine these above issues together and you have yourself one epic disaster of a player, no matter his CA/PA or value or attribute level.

Flops don't turn up regularly, but boy do they exist. You might not know why a player is a flop, but you will notice a flop, and there is a not a thing you can do about it.

You might not know why a player is a flop, but you will notice a flop, and there is a not a thing you can do about it.

You sell them

(Or if they're really bad... mutual termination/free transfer)

You sell them

(Or if they're really bad... mutual termination/free transfer)

In FM08 you could atleast get back his wages by fining the waste of space before some numptie bought him.

On a serious note, there is a huge difference between a genuine flop and a player you are not managing well. Antonio Valencia was exactly that player for me, first season I couldn't get him to perform and was close to sacking him after he continued to get upset at me. Second season the lad is a dream player setting up goals like there is no tomorrow.

This whole "flop" issue is actually quite a difficult one for the manager, because tactics and man management very much come into play. It's easy to misuse/mismanage a player and write him off as a flop, but like I said before you do get some real, true flops in the game.

The easiest positions for flops to strike are upfront, I've had it myself a few times not necessarily £30m flops, but buy a player for £10 - £15m and he just doesn't even get into double figures across 40-50 games. With strikers, its also very easy for them to lose morale, 3/4 games without a goal can quickly become 10/11 games without a goal due to poor morale.

First season I signed Santa Cruz from Man City he scored 35 goals from 50 or so appearances, costing only £375k, second season despite playing just as well, beating players it just wouldn't go in for him and he ended up with just 3 goals from 40 or so appearances. 2 of those 3 were on the opening day of the season, so he had flopped compared to his previous season. Couple of seasons ago I bought Lacina Traore from Barcelona for £10m, first two seasons he got 12 goals, but this season 9 games in he's already got 14. Sometimes players need longer to bed in, and sometimes, a high transfer fee distorts what classes as a flop, Shevchenko's record at Chelsea wasn't all that bad, and looking at when Berbatov plays how many goals/chances he's involved in would probably be more than we'd expect too, its just once brandished it doesn't go away, look at Stoke and the long-throw, most insist we only score thanks to Delap whilst we do get goals from it, its just the same as any other set-piece specialist in truth.

No, I can't say I have had expensive flops. FM gives you perfect information, unlike real life.

Now on the other hand, if attributes are all hidden and you can only judge by ratings, then maybe.

Though I have noticed my players sometimes play worse when loaned out/sold, even against lesser competition. I put it down to maybe tactics, and horrible computer man management - the computer managers love to fine players for random stuff it seems, which ruins morale, then bad performance, then even worse morale, a visious cycle.

there are hidden stats that you can't see unless you cheat. Scout might allude to them but no all of them. Like Big Game player.

Indeed. Important Matches, Consistency, Adaptability, etc also play a big part at times. Scout reports might allude to these hidden attributes should they be particularly low or high.

The one thing that has removed flops a bit from the game is removing the crazy things players used to be able to do. We all know if you buy David Villa he is pretty much guaranteed to do well if you get your tactics half-right. Now with regens, they're either good enough or not, and its quite easy to tell.

Also its rare you get players flop in the sense of how Jimmy Bullard has, large fee for the club, and then injury problems dogging him since day 1 and then not been what was expected upon his return.

The one thing that has removed flops a bit from the game is removing the crazy things players used to be able to do. We all know if you buy David Villa he is pretty much guaranteed to do well if you get your tactics half-right. Now with regens, they're either good enough or not, and its quite easy to tell.

Also its rare you get players flop in the sense of how Jimmy Bullard has, large fee for the club, and then injury problems dogging him since day 1 and then not been what was expected upon his return.

That's because long term injuries do not exist in this game.

It's a big failing that we can't replicate Eduardo, Bullard, Hargreaves, Rosicky type situations.

its always possible to have flops although i don't think its a feature as such,

last year i bought a striker rated as better than my world class strikers for 100 million, in 19 apps he scored 5 times and averaged 6.6

Got so annoyed with him i stopped playing and ended up downloading an editor to find his ca, it was 191 and he still couldn't score.

This year i've bought a defender for 40 million, so far in 7 apps he averaging just 6.39 and had been subbed 3 times due to playing so badly.

The season review screen will indicate the Worst Signing of the Season in each division. That's the games way of telling you who the "flops" are. In other words, who performed badly during the season compared to their price tag and expected level of ability.

I bought a young Brazilian player for my Middlesbrough team who got this after really underperforming in his first season.

I stuck with him though and the next season he had settled into the area, did very well, and ended up as our Fans Player of the Year!

So there's nothing in the game that specifically generates underperforming players, but unhappy players will generally underperform and often end up being the flops. Things can turn around though, just like the example above.

It was rather satisfying to see my player go from flop to fans favourite all in the space of a season

Quite regularly happens to me with foreign players, especially if they were pricey not had a player rated as the leagues worst for a while, but often had fans criticising me and such, Wijnaldum signed for me last January (£11.5m) and first 6 months the fans hated him, this season he's playing in the middle instead of outwide and is lauded by the fans and become rather popular.

That was purely down to me thinking he could do a job on the right wing though and persisting with him there lol.

I ad a strange situation where my 'world-beater' striker just wouldn't score.. 2 goals in all competitions at the turn of the year..

I publicly criticised him, he accepted his performances were below par, and he then proceeded to bang goals in for fun, scoring 27 by the end of the season. Might be worth a try!