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Barnsley FC

Profit Over Points!

 

Well here we go again another year and yet another new challenge for Barnsley in Football Manager, it seems like no two years are the same. 2 years ago I was writing a similar yet (as you will find out), a more positive prologue than this year’s and when you consider we were relegated that season it tells you pretty much all you need to know about the current situation at the Barnsley.

So not to bore you with all the Barnsley backstory which some people won't be particularly interested in, I'll keep the reasons why you should manage Barnsley on FM 20 short but sweet, Barnsley have an exceptionally young squad with an average age of 22.6 according to transfermarkt, there is undoubtedly a lot of potential in this young squad but unfortunately you'll only have 2 Championship quality players at your disposal, a distinct lack of experience and leadership will keep your squad dynamics interesting for sure. Profit is the bottom line at Barnsley and any offers you do receive for your players should be considered greatly and the introduction of the new “Club vision” to FM will make your challenge even harder, realistic and more rewarding should you succeed in staving off relegation.

If you're looking for a real challenge in the English second division then this is the biggest of them all!

 

A relegation at the end of the 2017/18 season leads us directly to last season. The 2018/19 season began with the appointment of German head coach Daniel Stendel, who became an immediate hit with the fans after a 4-0 opening day win against Oxford United. His passion and high pressing style were akin to Jurgen Klopp, who you’ll all be well aware of. Our early season form left us going into the January transfer window in 4th place, with a huge chance to claim a top two spot by the end of the season.

However instead of investment into the team to give us the little push that would surely give us an outstanding chance for promotion what did the board decide was best? Well obviously it was to sell one of our best players in Brad Potts, which I accept had to happen given the interest from Championship Preston and I believe most of the fans accept this is what we are. However the part which was a little confusing was the decision to sell, an impact sub in George Moncur who specialised in turning up for 45 minutes a season namely against Peterborough, to Luton Town who at the time sat in the automatic promotion places themselves, selling to promotion rivals at such a pivotal point in the season was a real indicator for the motivations of the board, which are now more than clear as I write this.

January left a somewhat of a sour taste in the mouth, with many fans wondering whether we'd been sold short of promotion by the board, with a string of seemingly odd signings, such as Jordan Green and an even more strange addition in George Miller from Middlesbrough who at the time was having a hapless loan period at Bradford, where he would stay for the rest of the season. These signings added little to nothing to the squad and overall left us in a weaker position than we were before. Fortunately no thanks to any investment from the board, we managed to squeeze over the line with a depleted squad and pip Sunderland and Portsmouth to 2nd spot behind Luton.

With promotion back to the Championship secured at the first attempt most fans were happy to give the owners their backing, despite some worrying signs from the January transfer window and support them fully going into the all important summer, ahead of what would surely be a tough Championship campaign.

However many people's suspicions about the boards real intentions were realised with the loss of key players such as Adam Davies, Liam Lindsay and Ethan Pinnock. These three players had formed the heart of the best defence in League 1, ripping this defence has turned out to be complete suicide leaving us miles short of quality at the back.

Without doubt however the most controversial exit from Oakwell this summer was the sale of last seasons top scorer Kieffer Moore to Wigan for between £2-4 million. Now selling to a potential relegation rival in Wigan is something we have previous in if you remember. There have been various rumours around Moore's departure, with some suggesting he wasn't wanted by then Daniel Stendel or that he'd become a disruptive member of the squad in a bid to pursue his move to Wigan, however the “replacement” for Moore is somewhat of a joke in all honesty. Patrick Schmidt came to Oakwell from Austrian side Admira Wacker for considerably less than was brought in from the sale of Moore. I feel sorry for Schmidt he's barely had a kick for us this season and if he can't get in this side I doubt he's even up to much at League 1 level let alone Championship. There is undoubtedly a massive rift between the board and fans, can you succeed in the Championship, under the new owners model?

But enough talking, hopefully I've convinced you Barnsley is the save for you on FM 20 or at least you'll stick around to see how I fair this year.

Thanks for reading.

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We are as awful as real life. I almost lost to the U23s.

Signed 2 kids who have no chance of ever playing for us and Conjob was and I quote "very pleased with the financial aspects of the transfers", FM stop being so realistic!

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Season One Aim:

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Well if there was any doubt in the scale of the task ahead, then look no further. Quite rightly bottom of the league, leaving one clear aim... Beat Rotherham's record low points total of 23 from the 2016/17 Championship season.

In all seriousness though, in the glass half full world that is FM, we will be trying desperately to avoid relegation this season. But what do the board think of the upcoming seasons:

Club Vision:

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So as I've already spoken about at length, the club likes to operate signing young players who can be sold on for a large profit, shown clearly by the "signing under 23 players", "maintain self sustainability" and "work with in wage budget". All of these will make your task even harder at Barnsley. I will be going a step further, in which I will not be signing any loan players unless it's with an option to buy at the end, this has been a strong club policy over the last season and although not listed in the club vision is something I will endeavour to stick to.

Purchasing the ground is also a priority for the club along with continual but steady growth in the Championship every year. The over 30's policy is one that intrigues me because a tiny bit of experience may come in rather handy to guide these hapless kids.

"Play entertaining football" LOL cause that's sure gonna be happening :rolleyes:

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Barnsley sure look like an interesting challenge. Too high on the tiers ladder for me, but look forward to watch how you are going to make this happen. I love one good fight to avoid relegation.

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18 hours ago, Thomas_Spurgeon said:

Barnsley sure look like an interesting challenge. Too high on the tiers ladder for me, but look forward to watch how you are going to make this happen. I love one good fight to avoid relegation.

Cheers, just finding players who fit into the criteria is difficult enough, we all love a good challenge though.

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Good read! Will be following. 

If you don’t mind signing a couple of older players for free, check out van der Wiel and Ben Marshall. Both joined my Boro team for around 6-7k a week and doing a very good job. Marshall especially is proven championship quality. 

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3 hours ago, karanhsingh said:

Good read! Will be following. 

If you don’t mind signing a couple of older players for free, check out van der Wiel and Ben Marshall. Both joined my Boro team for around 6-7k a week and doing a very good job. Marshall especially is proven championship quality. 

Cheers, I've got Ben Marshall on a little list of players that I had in mind before I started the save. I'm not sure he'll be as keen to join my relegation struggle as your Boro side. He would be a good addition though for sure. 

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The Squad

 

Goalkeepers:

 

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Well this is certainly new, a season without Adam Davies as our number one is a weird prospect after the Welsh stopper moved to Stoke in the summer. This one area I think our summer recruitment was spot on, Sami Radlinger will be the number one for the season providing he doesn't pick up any injuries, Brad Collins is a really good young keeper, who certainly has a great deal of growth left in him at just 22 years of age. Jack Walton will almost certainly be loaned out, he stepped in a number of times last season and really impressed.

 

Defenders:

 

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Well our 4 centre back options are all 20 or 21 years of age, none of which have any real Championship experience. At fullback we find our oldest player in Dani Pinillos, at the ripe old age of 26!!! There's undoubtedly a lot of potential in this defence and a lot of height and physicality. Dimitri Cavare is a live-wire down the right hand side and is wanted by numerous Championship clubs, The Williams' (no relation) are inexperienced and aren't quite ready yet.

 

Midfielders:

 

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Yep, your eyes do not deceive you we do in fact only have 4 central midfielders and our only defensive midfielder has a leg with structural integrity of a piece of spaghetti, yay!!! :seagull: Mowatt is one of 2 Championship ready players in the squad, he'll b key for sure.

 

Attackers:

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The saying quality over quantity comes to mind here, unfortunately it doesn't appear anyone at the club has ever heard of that saying, leaving us with this mess, so many options yet only 1 Championship quality player in Cauley WoodrowElliot Simoes looks like a good prospect as do many of the side to be honest, Wilks and Thomas will hopefully grow throughout the season and have the potential to be Premier League players  (apparently anyway :rolleyes:)

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The Players:

Goalkeepers:

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Sami Radlinger, a pretty decent sweeper-keeper, who came in on a free in the summer only signing a 1 year deal however, he may well only be hear 1 year

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Brad Collins

Another Sweeper-keeper that came in on a free in the summer, he'll be the number 2 for the season.

 

Centre Backs

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Mads Andersen, yeah he doesn't look particularly good to be completely honest with you. And the "Dwells on the ball" PPM is the icing on the cake, at least at 21 years of age he'll have time to improve.

 

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Aapo Halme, I'd argue he's slightly better than Andersen, unfortunately he's the main culprit of our tranquillised mattress defending, meaning a high press is unlikely to say the least. He's tall and only 21 so at least there' s that.

 

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Bambo Diaby, probably the best centre half at the club, not the best technical player of all time but his physicals are decent enough to earn him a starting spot. 

 

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Toby Sibbick, a real opinion divider this one, he'll probably be our 4th choice centre back but is perhaps more suited to a full back position. He's better rounded than the centre halves but lacks in some of the key defensive stats.

 

tbc....

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Full Backs

 

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Jordan Williams, he's still a young lad playing a man's game. An extra year in League 1 might have done him some good tbh. Some good pace and bags of potential, wanted by Villa.

 

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Cavare is without doubt a complete madman, he's a decent player and our best right back but with his contract expiring at the end of the season he might not be around too much longer.

 

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Ben Williams, is unfortunately not good enough to start yet, he'll probably be back up to Pinillos.

 

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Here we have him the granddad of the squad at 26, our oldest player and best left back. I doubt whether he's got the pace to play in the Championship, which explains our tactics coming up.

 

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I can't tell you too much about Odour other the fact he probably isn't a left back looking at his marking and tackling.

 

Midfielders:

 

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Our only defensive midfielder in the squad, something I'll need to address considering his injury status.

 

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I really like Callum Styles but I just don't think he's quite ready for Championship football at such a young age, he'll play a sporadic part in this season though.

 

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This man regularly misses sitters irl, it's like he's wearing dutch clogs :seagull:, he's got a good engine in midfield and that streetwise streak that could be invaluable to such an inexperienced squad.

 

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The jewel in the crown of our midfield, the only play with any real championship quality, I think he can excel if we can find quality next to him. His contract fortunately has an extra year option so that will be taken straight away.

 

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15 minutes ago, Nobby_McDonald said:

Good luck James. Hopefully you and Stoke do better than they are in real life.

Cheers, we live in hope :lol:

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38 minutes ago, Nobby_McDonald said:

I think the Stoke fans have lost all hope.

As have most Barnsley fans to be honest, me included. I think we're already down.

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Good luck man! I'll be following.  Will be starting my Rotheham save when the full game hits :D.

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1 hour ago, SpillBlood said:

Good luck man! I'll be following.  Will be starting my Rotheham save when the full game hits :D.

Thanks, yeah I debated whether to delay until the full game but couldn't resist :D

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I won the championship with 3 games to go in the second season got 109 points so far. 

Sold Cavare and Mowatt for 15 million between them and used the funds to buy good youngsters from the Prem. 

IE what we all thought "the plan" actually was. 

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Sibbick developed into a great fullback and actually got 3 England U21 caps. Whoever gave him his CA/PA has clearly never seen him play IRL. 

I had to use him in midfield for most of the first season until Dougall got fit. 

Brown was exceptional as a pressing forward last season and has done a great job as a right winger too. 

Wilks, Thomas and Bahre were awful in season 1 and all on the verge of being offloaded. But luckily for me I kept all of them and they've come on leaps and bounds in the second season. 

Simoes, Odour, Thiam, Halme, The Williams twins and Anderson are all probably surplus to requirements as they just haven't developed as I'd like. (Thiam has in fact been on loan for the last 18 months). 

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5 hours ago, kiwityke1983 said:

I won the championship with 3 games to go in the second season got 109 points so far. 

Sold Cavare and Mowatt for 15 million between them and used the funds to buy good youngsters from the Prem. 

IE what we all thought "the plan" actually was. 

Fair play mate, if only that's how it was :lol:. I can't believe Sibbick is playing for England U21's that's crazy!

Where did you finish in the first season by the way?

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15 minutes ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

Fair play mate, if only that's how it was :lol:. I can't believe Sibbick is playing for England U21's that's crazy!

Where did you finish in the first season by the way?

Mid-table playing 5-3-2 wingbacks. Never in danger of going down or up. I found the wage structure in the first season meant I couldn't really improve the squad at all. 

But that created horrible football (due to the ME, the board thought it was entertaining) so I've changed to a sort of 4-2-2-1 this season using a double pivot of play makers and McGeehan as a box to box man. 

I found the wage structure in the first season meant I couldn't really improve the squad at all and I had to let Panillios and Radlinger leave due to not being able to afford new contracts. 

End of first season the board raised the wage budget by a whole 15k and gave me 205k budget, then Cavare and Mowatt demanded moves. Sold both of those for massive fees that funded about 4.4 millions worth of discarded Prem youth coming in, and a massive bump to the wage budget more importantly and some lad on loan from Monaco (later unplayable due to Brexit, but he's now been signed up permanent.)

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Also Sibbick is now worth 8.75 million and rated as a good Premier league fullback. He's got 2 U21 caps to his name and is easily our best player. 

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Attackers:

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Jacob Brown, come through the youth academy at Barnsley, he can operate in a number of positions including left wing back!, which shows just how desperate real life has become, that our number 7 is operating there. Hopefully he can develop nicely, into a Premier League player perhaps!

 

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Bahre, was always Stendel's man but I'm not sure how much us he'll get. He really needs to improve physically to be useful in the Championship, especially with the system I have in mind. Technically he's not too bad, something to build on perhaps.

 

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Luke Thomas, there's a lot of potential in this kid that's for sure. Brought in after a reasonably successful season in League 1 for Coventry last year. Whether he'll be ready for the Championship is yet to be seen. The fact he can operate naturally on both sides is a major plus.

 

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Conor Chaplin, now I'm not particularly happy with Chaplin's stats, I think he could do with a tad more pace, but I agree that technically he's not  really up to the Championship and his status as a good League 1 player is fair enough but also cause for concern.

 

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Malik Wilks, another signing from Leeds' youth team this season, he's not quite hit any sort of heights this season and to be brutally honest, I don't think he particularly cares.  He looks lively on FM however, great physicals but technically not proficient enough to be a real handful yet.

 

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  Mamadou Thiam, now I'd be quite happy if we let this man go in real life, he's lazy, too big and muscly to last anymore than 30 minutes on the pitch. His contract is up at the end of the season and in all honesty I don't think I'll be extending it, he seems to want about £10k a week, that's not gonna happen.

 

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Elliot Simoes, the young Portuguese forward joined in January last season and his featured a few times of the  bench and it's easy to see why, he's not far off the first team.

 

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I don't know who this man is so I can't possibly comment on him. I've heard on the grape vine he was our replacement for our top scorer Kieffer Moore :lol:

 

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Cauley Woodrow, the jewel in our Burger King Crown. He's gonna need to bag 15 goals this season for us to have any chance of staying up this season. He's a pretty natural finisher and if we can give him an ample supply line I'm sure he'll come good.

 

 

 

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Never have I felt such an apathy towards my club, I can't really even look at us on FM. So I might give this save a break or do a different team from the Football League.

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7 minutes ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

Never have I felt such an apathy towards my club, I can't really even look at us on FM. So I might give this save a break or do a different team from the Football League.

We are massively over rated on FM that's for sure. I stopped watching at half time yesterday. We are shocking IRL. Some of the lads we've bought shouldn't be pros cough sibbick cough. 

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2 hours ago, kiwityke1983 said:

We are massively over rated on FM that's for sure. I stopped watching at half time yesterday. We are shocking IRL. Some of the lads we've bought shouldn't be pros cough sibbick cough. 

Shhhh, I'm trying to make it sound like the most difficult task of all time :lol:.

But you're right tho there's some utter garbage out there.

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2 hours ago, abulezz said:

Loving the detail and the write-up. 

Thanks mate I appreciate it, takes quite a while to do all the screenshots and think of something to say about each player other than, "Too young, might grow though" :lol:

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3 hours ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

Never have I felt such an apathy towards my club, I can't really even look at us on FM. So I might give this save a break or do a different team from the Football League.

You know who I'd suggest :cool:

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33 minutes ago, SpillBlood said:

You know who I'd suggest :cool:

Yeah I have thought about it actually :lol:.

I've thought about Peterborough, Brentford, Bradford and Plymouth as well.

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On 04/11/2019 at 23:35, Jamesbfc1887 said:

As have most Barnsley fans to be honest, me included. I think we're already down.

Hopefully I spoke to soon about Stoke. Suddenly we have made one small but significant step on the long road to survival.

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46 minutes ago, Nobby_McDonald said:

Hopefully I spoke to soon about Stoke. Suddenly we have made one small but significant step on the long road to survival.

I didn't go on Saturday, I'm already on strike against the owners. It pains me so much I can't even manage the team on FM, I don't want those "lovely people" ;) upstairs to have any success.

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My four year old daughter was delighted on Saturday when I told her her favourite player had scored two goals.

However, on Sunday morning she wasn't interested in watching them as she was watching Bing on the ipad. :D

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I think I've made the decision to restart my save and delay until the release of the full game. There's just too many faults with the current match engine imo. Long shots OP, one on ones 90% of which are missed and players simply refusing to square the ball and shoot from right angles, I've seen a lot of complaints about it from other players and unfortunately the game is almost unplayable atm.

This makes my current low block system almost impossible to use, worked well last season but when I'm conceding a 30 yard screamer every game there's something wrong with that, considering players never score 1 on 1 with the keeper and don't square it, so how on earth am I supposed to play a low block.

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3 hours ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

I think I've made the decision to restart my save and delay until the release of the full game. There's just too many faults with the current match engine imo. Long shots OP, one on ones 90% of which are missed and players simply refusing to square the ball and shoot from right angles, I've seen a lot of complaints about it from other players and unfortunately the game is almost unplayable atm.

This makes my current low block system almost impossible to use, worked well last season but when I'm conceding a 30 yard screamer every game there's something wrong with that, considering players never score 1 on 1 with the keeper and don't square it, so how on earth am I supposed to play a low block.

Don't play a low block. Do what I did and go all out attack. Currently 6th in the Premier league with Barnsley in my 3rd season. 

The board demand entertaining football so they'd be annoyed with ya boring tactics anyway. 

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On 04/11/2019 at 23:35, Jamesbfc1887 said:

As have most Barnsley fans to be honest, me included. I think we're already down.

Southampton supporter here - we feel your pain!

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20 hours ago, kevhamster said:

Southampton supporter here - we feel your pain!

Cheers :lol:, it's not really being bottom of the table that bothers me as such, I can deal with that as I've spent the whole of my supporting life either in League 1 or fighting relegation in the Championship, so it's that doesn't bother me per se.

The problem for me is that results are now purely by the bye, profit is the main objective now and I can't stand by that. More than a month without a manager, zero communication from the board about a situation which has been manufactured by the board and allowed to happen. We're no longer all trying to win football games and pull in the same direction, even when we use to be crap under the previous owner, we were at least trying to win and had no other means of success due to the financial restrictions, now we have the means to speculate then accumulate but we don't.

So I won't be attending until the board either go or change their policy (which won't happen).

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It is sad when these things happen.

There are massive question marks over the Southampton ownership as well, and what their intentions are.  Plus our team is useless, with one or two exceptions.

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On 13/11/2019 at 13:50, kevhamster said:

It is sad when these things happen.

There are massive question marks over the Southampton ownership as well, and what their intentions are.  Plus our team is useless, with one or two exceptions.

Yeah it is, I genuinely fear this has the potential could turn into another Blackpool style if an alternative owner doesn't come in. Some of their actions at Nice are really worrying, the loans they took out when they just weren't needed at a 9% interest rate!!!!! Worrying times ahead, i genuinely don't think League 1 is the end of this journey by a long-shot.

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Right we'll see if this new match engine fix has any impact on the game, I'll give it a go and let you know how it goes.

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On 09/11/2019 at 06:31, kiwityke1983 said:

Sibbick developed into a great fullback and actually got 3 England U21 caps. Whoever gave him his CA/PA has clearly never seen him play IRL.

Which of his attributes would you say aren't accurate? These are what dictate his CA, which currently make him our fourth choice central defender, and second choice right-back, on par with Jordan Williams. His PA is set as -7, as I genuinely don't know what to expect with him. It's a bit harsh to criticise him too much, after a third of a season in the Championship, he's only 20 years old. It's more likely to be his reputation that has caused him to be called up to the under-21s, and that will have increased if he's been playing regular football in the Championship.

If you've any comments on any of the Barnsley data in FM20 feel free to PM me and I'll take it on board. The data in the full release is slightly updated from what was in the beta.

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Keep us updated on your new save @Jamesbfc1887

I finished 5th in my first season. I was comfortably top of the league until the end of January, then I struggled to win many games after that and fell down the table. Lost in the play-off semi final to Wigan.

I brought in Harry Toffolo from Lincoln (£400k), and both Aaron Connolly and Curtis Jones on loan. Sold Thiam for £750k, and let Pinilos leave on loan. I did bring in Herbie Kane in January for £900k, but he probably wasn't worth it. I'm really struggling to find any Championship standard players on wages we can afford.

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6 minutes ago, Adamm90 said:

Keep us updated on your new save @Jamesbfc1887

I finished 5th in my first season. I was comfortably top of the league until the end of January, then I struggled to win many games after that and fell down the table. Lost in the play-off semi final to Wigan.

I brought in Harry Toffolo from Lincoln (£400k), and both Aaron Connolly and Curtis Jones on loan. Sold Thiam for £750k, and let Pinilos leave on loan. I did bring in Herbie Kane in January for £900k, but he probably wasn't worth it. I'm really struggling to find any Championship standard players on wages we can afford.

I've just won the Uefa Cup and Carabao Cup double in my 4th season and we are in the champions league. 

 

18 minutes ago, Adamm90 said:

Which of his attributes would you say aren't accurate? These are what dictate his CA, which currently make him our fourth choice central defender, and second choice right-back, on par with Jordan Williams. His PA is set as -7, as I genuinely don't know what to expect with him. It's a bit harsh to criticise him too much, after a third of a season in the Championship, he's only 20 years old. It's more likely to be his reputation that has caused him to be called up to the under-21s, and that will have increased if he's been playing regular football in the Championship.

If you've any comments on any of the Barnsley data in FM20 feel free to PM me and I'll take it on board. The data in the full release is slightly updated from what was in the beta.

Honestly thought he looked out of his depth against that French non-league side we played in preseason. My opinions only gone down from there. 

Genuinely think he's one of the worst players I've ever seen play football. To the point I'm amazed he's even a pro at this point. 

He let's the ball bounce rather than heading it clear, he never blocks a cross (I don't think he actually knows how to), if a pass is more than 3 yards then watch out cos he can't pass, he jogs back after he's gotten caught out of position (a constant no matter where we stick him). As MY dad said and I quote "He's best off in midfield because hề can do the least damage to us there". 

It was a bit of a joke comment as frankly you've Got a thankless task rating this squad. 

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1 hour ago, Adamm90 said:

Keep us updated on your new save @Jamesbfc1887

Yep will do, I decided to wait for the full game to release in case you had any little changes to make.

1 hour ago, kiwityke1983 said:

I've just won the Uefa Cup and Carabao Cup double in my 4th season and we are in the champions league. 

:eek: That's not gonna be happening anytime soon for me or in real life :lol: 

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2 minutes ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

Yep will do, I decided to wait for the full game to release in case you had any little changes to make.

:eek: That's not gonna be happening anytime soon for me or in real life :lol: 

Finished 5th last 2 seasons in the Prem. Was in a title challenge until February last season and fell away badly as the sheer amount of games killed us. In 2022 thanks to the World Cup in Qatar we take 2 months off in November and December. We made it to the FA Cup final (lost 2-1 to Jurgen Klopps Man City, Pep won the league with Liverpool strangely enough). Won the Carabao against Derby and beat Sevilla in Sevilla 2-0 Wilks nodding in a corner at the back post!

 

Aiden Marsh developed to a point where he was wanted by everyone scored 7 goals in his first 11 Prem games. 60 million transfers were talked of, he's been injured on and off the last 18 months and I honestly think his career at the top level is pretty much over at 20! Such a shame cos he was brilliant for about 4 months. 

Sibbick is still somehow in my team haha. 

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1 hour ago, Adamm90 said:

both Aaron Connolly and Curtis Jones on loan

Disgraceful behaviour you'll be sacked for that :lol:

Sooner or later they'll be no students allowed at Oakwell coz they've all get loans ;)

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1 hour ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

Disgraceful behaviour you'll be sacked for that :lol:

I've done the unthinkable and signed a couple of 30 year olds on one-year contracts too.

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7 minutes ago, Adamm90 said:

I've done the unthinkable and signed a couple of 30 year olds on one-year contracts too.

Unbelievable some people honestly :rolleyes::lol:

Oh and I just started the save this afternoon and...... :seagull:

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19 minutes ago, Jamesbfc1887 said:

Unbelievable some people honestly :rolleyes::lol:

Oh and I just started the save this afternoon and...... :seagull:

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Jacob Brown up front then... 

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6 minutes ago, kiwityke1983 said:

Jacob Brown up front then... 

Looks like Schmidt might have a tiny upgrade actually for the full game and you can no longer sell him, coz someone's made him slightly worse (quite rightly may I add) :rolleyes:.

Bambo's had a downgrade by the looks and I cba to look at the rest, I'm sure someone will know cough* @Adamm90 cough* :p

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