GerdMuller Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 So as we have ex players becoming coaches etc. in game i think it wuld be a nice touch if those players would take their special playing style with them "Gets forward often" "Runs into lanes" etc) . Being in their staff profile it would still give them a special aura as distinctive Ex-player. Gameplay wise they shoudl eb able to tutor these special playing styles in their staff role when they run training and give them to the players sometimes , like a player tutor. I think this woulb be a nice touch, make ex-players special. Maybe there could even be a news item: "Player x has taken up a special trait after working under legendary player Y. He is know known for "Z" , mirroring the style his coach was once known for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Any examples of this happening in real life? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdMuller Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 Well not a specific one, but in general i see especially in smaller clubs ex players get especially hired for just that, a hope that they can pass on what makes them special to younger players. A lot of them arent theoretical geniuses that are all into the ins and outs of tactics and the trade of being a coach, they jsut understand the game and the club hopes they can pass some of the things that make them special to other players. Am am not saying there is a player that just got a trait like just having the right nose for a goal from him , but Gerd Müller as Bayern coach would fall into that category i guess , he was not hired because he is a tactical or coaching genius, i guess they banked mostly on him to influence the younger players with the greatness he had as player only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baodan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 "Player x has taken up a special trait after working under legendary player Y. He is now known for "Arguing with officials" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdMuller Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 ..thats actually a basic trait today , nothing special ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baodan Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Today it is a trait like any other in FM, like it has been for quite some time now. https://www.guidetofm.com/players/traits#discipline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 22 hours ago, GerdMuller said: So as we have ex players becoming coaches etc. in game i think it wuld be a nice touch if those players would take their special playing style with them "Gets forward often" "Runs into lanes" etc) . Being in their staff profile it would still give them a special aura as distinctive Ex-player. Gameplay wise they shoudl eb able to tutor these special playing styles in their staff role when they run training and give them to the players sometimes , like a player tutor. I think this woulb be a nice touch, make ex-players special. Maybe there could even be a news item: "Player x has taken up a special trait after working under legendary player Y. He is know known for "Z" , mirroring the style his coach was once known for. I like the idea from a "gaming"-perspective, but I can't really see the link to the real world. It seemingly would work kind of like a "legacy"-system, and in the gaming world this is a nice feature. However, I can't really pinpoint it into the real world of football. I haven't seen players under the guidance of Roy Keane becoming maniacs with an extreme temper. Though one thing in your suggestion that could be implemented, in my opinion, is that at least certain ex-players will have another impact on current players. Very successful ex-players like Zidane will have a natural impact on the players around them, simply because the ex-player have a demonstrated knowledge and experience on the pitch, and therefore will have more "trust" from the players. You often read about current players commending their manager (former player) for bringing in experience and such from their time as a player. While this aren't linked with success at all, it at least seems to have an impact on some players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWClarke Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, XaW said: I like the idea from a "gaming"-perspective, but I can't really see the link to the real world. It seemingly would work kind of like a "legacy"-system, and in the gaming world this is a nice feature. However, I can't really pinpoint it into the real world of football. I haven't seen players under the guidance of Roy Keane becoming maniacs with an extreme temper. Though one thing in your suggestion that could be implemented, in my opinion, is that at least certain ex-players will have another impact on current players. Very successful ex-players like Zidane will have a natural impact on the players around them, simply because the ex-player have a demonstrated knowledge and experience on the pitch, and therefore will have more "trust" from the players. You often read about current players commending their manager (former player) for bringing in experience and such from their time as a player. While this aren't linked with success at all, it at least seems to have an impact on some players. Players wouldn't directly develop into the same playing style as their manager, but surely the manager is more likely to sign players of his own mould? Look at Guardiola for example (or Cruyff, & probably everybody else from that whole Barca & Ajax school of thought), he's built his "tiki taka" management style around what was his own playing style in the 90s. Or David Moyes building a team around a no-nonsense defensive style (at Everton atleast, Jagielka, Baines, Fellaini...). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasing Lamely Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Worth noting there are some ex-players IRL who literally do this as a trade. Ian Wright, for example, is kind of journeyman coaching, coming in to help managers to get their strikers firing. Ray Clemence did it for years as a goalkeeping specialist. I believe Quainton Fortune has been working specifically to help players improve creativity. That said, this could all be loosely modelled by making sure players' coaching attributes reflect their playing positions, their stats as players and the level of coaches they've worked under, which might be the most pertinent thing of all; Martin O'Neill springs to mind - you very rarely see him coaching players to play the way he did (which is a good thing, because it'd be raining red cards), but his coaching style? That's Peter Taylor and Brian Clough. Same with Steve Bruce - less successful, but he borrows very liberally from Fergie, and I'm yet to see any of his teams defend as well as he did as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkonggedek Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 This could be a nice touch to add. I remember being mildly amused seeing Xavi transitioning into a manager who prefers Direct style and 4-4-2 formation a few editions of FM back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Whilst I can understand a little of the coach's personal style being imparted to the players, would any coach not have to coach the players the way the manager wanted?. If the manager wants a short passing intricate style, he is hardly going to be pleased watching his coaches advocating long balls, for example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdMuller Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 Which would add a nice touch , searching the staff that fits your style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodentofDoom Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 6 hours ago, FrazT said: Whilst I can understand a little of the coach's personal style being imparted to the players, would any coach not have to coach the players the way the manager wanted?. If the manager wants a short passing intricate style, he is hardly going to be pleased watching his coaches advocating long balls, for example? Yep, it would be irritating to say the least 5 hours ago, GerdMuller said: Which would add a nice touch , searching the staff that fits your style. Or an extra layer of frustration Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdMuller Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 For me a nice touch, i see the micromanagement frustration of FM in a lot of other areas that dont give a nice touch of flair and are just boring, without personality and frustrating, its a personal thing but for me this would be somethign id day, nice touch and not: Another area to leave to the Ass. Man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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