Emulating Jose Mourinho's Manchester United: Specialist in Victory

[goqs06]

Man Utd also play a 3-4-1-2 at times. I’ll do more research on that soon.

[yonko]

Is it me or is Jose Mourinho starting to resemble the average FM player who struggles with the 4231 Wide formation? When is he going to understand that Pogba and Matic cannot play as the "2" in the middle? Especially against strong teams like Tottenham. Pogba has no defensive positional discipline and Matic isn't mobile enough to cover everything. United looked like they had no midfield vs Tottenham.

On the other hand, Dembele and Dier where everywhere and all over United's players. And the mobility of the "3" attacking midfielders (Son, Dele Ali and Ericssen) was insane.

If anything this real life example of Tottenham vs United should be used as template to see what a messy 4231 and nicely put together 4231 formations can look like IRL. It's combination of personnel and roles.

[Jean0987654321]

5 hours ago, yonko said:

Is it me or is Jose Mourinho starting to resemble the average FM player who struggles with the 4231 Wide formation? When is he going to understand that Pogba and Matic cannot play as the "2" in the middle? Especially against strong teams like Tottenham. Pogba has no defensive positional discipline and Matic isn't mobile enough to cover everything. United looked like they had no midfield vs Tottenham.

On the other hand, Dembele and Dier where everywhere and all over United's players. And the mobility of the "3" attacking midfielders (Son, Dele Ali and Ericssen) was insane.

If anything this real life example of Tottenham vs United should be used as template to see what a messy 4231 and nicely put together 4231 formations can look like IRL. It's combination of personnel and roles.

I can't blame the double pivot too much for that game. Pairing Phil Jones and Chris Smalling together is a nightmare waiting to happen defensively. Both men are pretty much squad players. They are far from good enough to start for us.

[yonko]

1 hour ago, Jean0987654321 said:

I can't blame the double pivot too much for that game. Pairing Phil Jones and Chris Smalling together is a nightmare waiting to happen defensively. Both men are pretty much squad players. They are far from good enough to start for us.

Well is not only their job to defend. They need help from their teammates around them. It's a team game. United's nightmare is everywhere. But It starts with Jose. He can't win a game against strong opponents unless he parks the bus. He has lost his aura.

And what is this "for us" bit? Are Man United player? 

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread with RL discussions. I just thought it was funny how Jose looks like FM player struggling with a tactic. I like watching him struggle.

[Jean0987654321]

4 hours ago, yonko said:

Well is not only their job to defend. They need help from their teammates around them. It's a team game. United's nightmare is everywhere. But It starts with Jose. He can't win a game against strong opponents unless he parks the bus. He has lost his aura.

And what is this "for us" bit? Are Man United player? 

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread with RL discussions. I just thought it was funny how Jose looks like FM player struggling with a tactic. I like watching him struggle.

Nah, man. I'm a fan. 

 

But, yes. That team is imcomplete for a title run and we already boosted the attacking. Now we just need a BBM and a couple of FBs

[goqs06]

9 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Nah, man. I'm a fan. 

 

But, yes. That team is imcomplete for a title run and we already boosted the attacking. Now we just need a BBM and a couple of FBs

Sergej Milinković-Savić would work. He's good as a BBM in-game and IRL.

[goqs06]

20 hours ago, yonko said:

Is it me or is Jose Mourinho starting to resemble the average FM player who struggles with the 4231 Wide formation? When is he going to understand that Pogba and Matic cannot play as the "2" in the middle? Especially against strong teams like Tottenham. Pogba has no defensive positional discipline and Matic isn't mobile enough to cover everything. United looked like they had no midfield vs Tottenham.

On the other hand, Dembele and Dier where everywhere and all over United's players. And the mobility of the "3" attacking midfielders (Son, Dele Ali and Ericssen) was insane.

If anything this real life example of Tottenham vs United should be used as template to see what a messy 4231 and nicely put together 4231 formations can look like IRL. It's combination of personnel and roles.

Even in game, I feel that Pogba suits a mid 3 more.

[Brian]

21 hours ago, yonko said:

Is it me or is Jose Mourinho starting to resemble the average FM player who struggles with the 4231 Wide formation? When is he going to understand that Pogba and Matic cannot play as the "2" in the middle? Especially against strong teams like Tottenham. Pogba has no defensive positional discipline and Matic isn't mobile enough to cover everything. United looked like they had no midfield vs Tottenham.

On the other hand, Dembele and Dier where everywhere and all over United's players. And the mobility of the "3" attacking midfielders (Son, Dele Ali and Ericssen) was insane.

If anything this real life example of Tottenham vs United should be used as template to see what a messy 4231 and nicely put together 4231 formations can look like IRL. It's combination of personnel and roles.

With the attack United now have - you can't park the bus. It would be a disgrace. Everybody saw how Pogba worked his magic in the 3-5-2 of Juventus. Now he is just an average midfielder in the Premier League. 

Mourinho won 1 League Title since his title at Inter, he has lost his touch. They need a new manager that has the guts to play attacking football. 

[goqs06]

Interesting, this is...

[yonko]

15 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Nah, man. I'm a fan. 

 

But, yes. That team is imcomplete for a title run and we already boosted the attacking. Now we just need a BBM and a couple of FBs

No "we" or "us".  United need a new coach. 

6 hours ago, goqs06 said:

Even in game, I feel that Pogba suits a mid 3 more.

Yes, exactly. Or if using 4231 he needs to play further up the field with two defensive midfielders behind him.

5 hours ago, Rooks said:

With the attack United now have - you can't park the bus. It would be a disgrace. Everybody saw how Pogba worked his magic in the 3-5-2 of Juventus. Now he is just an average midfielder in the Premier League. 

Mourinho won 1 League Title since his title at Inter, he has lost his touch. They need a new manager that has the guts to play attacking football. 

That attack looks all out of sorts and lacking chemistry. All of them are so inconsistent and Jose is not an attacking coach to get the best of them anyway.

[jc577]

I agree with the above. Unfortunately United lack any sort of cohesion in attack and the buck stops with José. Too often we rely on individual moments of quality/opposition mistakes, there are no real ‘patterns of play’ as such, unlike our neighbours over at the Etihad. I think next season may be José’s last if we fail to win the PL/CL, and i’d love to get in Tuchel or Pochettino. Don’t get me wrong, José has done a good job of stabilising the club, but ultimately I think we need a more attacking manager. Ironically I think Klopp would have been perfectly suited to United, but Tuchel isn’t too dissimilar.

[goqs06]

16 hours ago, yonko said:

No "we" or "us".  United need a new coach. 

Yes, exactly. Or if using 4231 he needs to play further up the field with two defensive midfielders behind him.

That attack looks all out of sorts and lacking chemistry. All of them are so inconsistent and Jose is not an attacking coach to get the best of them anyway.

But Mourinho's signed until 2020! Hope he will do well for us before leaving, our next manager should be the likes of Simeone/Giggs/Tuchel.

[yonko]

4 hours ago, goqs06 said:

But Mourinho's signed until 2020! Hope he will do well for us before leaving, our next manager should be the likes of Simeone/Giggs/Tuchel.

No, he won't do well for you or for United. 2nd place to Pep always.

[Jean0987654321]

18 minutes ago, yonko said:

No, he won't do well for you or for United. 2nd place to Pep always.

Can I get your crystal ball?

[goqs06]

Pogba should play as a LCM in the 4-3-3 instead of a more attacking DM in the 4-2-3-1.

 

[goqs06]

Why Carrick is so important to any Man Utd side.

[zlatanera]

Sadly Michael Carrick is just too old to build a title-winning side around. Plus didn't he have some weird injury keeping him out most of this season? I would love it if we focussed all our energies on taking Dier from Spurs, such an intelligent player, would fit easily into 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and even our lesser spotted 3 at the back system. Sadly I think only Real Madrid could poach Harry Kane from them. 

Personally I think we need to play Matic, Herrera and Pogba as a 3 for more control against the big sides. Against the little ones some combination of Ibrahimovic, Lingard, Lukaku, Martial, Mata, Rashford and Sanchez should be able to blow them away like we did earlier in the season. Looking forward to Luke Shaw maintaining his fitness - it's hard to build a successful team when you only have one nailed on defender (Valencia).

Saw some criticism of Smalling and Jones up there - personally I think Smalling has to go. If Jones could maintain fitness he'd be great - him and Rojo at times last season were very good. But he can't, poor guy, so he is a squad player yes. Can't wait to actually get Lindelof and Bailly / Rojo together for an extended period. 

[goqs06]

15 hours ago, zlatanera said:

Sadly Michael Carrick is just too old to build a title-winning side around. Plus didn't he have some weird injury keeping him out most of this season? I would love it if we focussed all our energies on taking Dier from Spurs, such an intelligent player, would fit easily into 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and even our lesser spotted 3 at the back system. Sadly I think only Real Madrid could poach Harry Kane from them. 

Personally I think we need to play Matic, Herrera and Pogba as a 3 for more control against the big sides. Against the little ones some combination of Ibrahimovic, Lingard, Lukaku, Martial, Mata, Rashford and Sanchez should be able to blow them away like we did earlier in the season. Looking forward to Luke Shaw maintaining his fitness - it's hard to build a successful team when you only have one nailed on defender (Valencia).

Saw some criticism of Smalling and Jones up there - personally I think Smalling has to go. If Jones could maintain fitness he'd be great - him and Rojo at times last season were very good. But he can't, poor guy, so he is a squad player yes. Can't wait to actually get Lindelof and Bailly / Rojo together for an extended period. 

I’d sell Smalling, keep the rest and promote Tuanzebe. Preferable back 2 would still be Bailly/Jones with Rojo and Lindelof being rotational options.

[blehq12]

http://www.squawka.com/news/three-ways-man-utd-can-create-a-juventus-esque-midfield-around-paul-pogba/1013181

Based on this, I feel that Mourinho should try out a diamond midfield in a 4-4-2 formation.

DLP (D): Matic

BWM (S): McTominay, Herrera

RPM (S) / MEZ (A): Pogba, A. Pereira

AM (S): Lingard, Sanchez

Just like Inter in 2009 to 2010.

[Jean0987654321]

9 hours ago, blehq12 said:

http://www.squawka.com/news/three-ways-man-utd-can-create-a-juventus-esque-midfield-around-paul-pogba/1013181

Based on this, I feel that Mourinho should try out a diamond midfield in a 4-4-2 formation.

DLP (D): Matic

BWM (S): McTominay, Herrera

RPM (S) / MEZ (A): Pogba, A. Pereira

AM (S): Lingard, Sanchez

Just like Inter in 2009 to 2010.

We would then have no width which has been our problems all season. Moreover, that Inter side had a luxury of playing in Serie A where all teams play down the middle. They rarely played that way in Europe...

[goqs06]

On 2/16/2018 at 08:15, Jean0987654321 said:

We would then have no width which has been our problems all season. Moreover, that Inter side had a luxury of playing in Serie A where all teams play down the middle. They rarely played that way in Europe...

Indeed, Inter did play a 4-2-3-1 in Europe with 2 DMs.

[goqs06]

Is it possible to replicate the 4-2-2-2 we always use against Chelsea with 1 player constantly marking Hazard?

[zlatanera]

4 hours ago, goqs06 said:

Is it possible to replicate the 4-2-2-2 we always use against Chelsea with 1 player constantly marking Hazard?

Yeah it will be, hell half the time when I'm playing 4-3-3 my AM tries to tell my Half Back to mark a wide attacker or striker as he's the dangerman - lost an El Clasico because the moron told Busquets to man-mark Ronaldo and we had no build up, last time I ever listened to my AM. 

As we were almost playing 6-3-1 at times in the defensive phase in the one last year I would guess you need a flat back four and wide midfielders on automatic with a defensive mentality? Or perhaps set the wide midfielders to man mark opposition wingers which would naturally push them back. It'd be an incredibly boring tactic to watch if you pull it off but interesting to try. 

[goqs06]

On 2/28/2018 at 22:14, goqs06 said:

Is it possible to replicate the 4-2-2-2 we always use against Chelsea with 1 player constantly marking Hazard?

Well, someone has already beaten me to it!

[kun^^]

Just gonna leave this here

Absolutely barbaric !!

 

 

 

[Jean0987654321]

On 3/10/2018 at 11:22, kun^^ said:

Just gonna leave this here

Absolutely barbaric !!

 

 

 

Specialist in victory indeed

[trgtoztrk]

Does this system still work for anyone ? Does it requires any tweaks for new updates ? Sadly, it is not working for me anymore

[Jean0987654321]

8 hours ago, trgtoztrk said:

Does this system still work for anyone ? Does it requires any tweaks for new updates ? Sadly, it is not working for me anymore

Its not a magic bean tactic. You need good players in order for it to "work". If you're looking for a magic bean tactic, then you're in the wrong forum

[trgtoztrk]

2 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Its not a magic bean tactic. You need good players in order for it to "work". If you're looking for a magic bean tactic, then you're in the wrong forum

I understand that this is a specific play-style replication not a "x's all winning tactic" what i mean is this system was working(for me) before the updates but it is not working with the same players etc. Therefore, i wanted to ask if there is a usual struggle for everyone or is it only me? In order to ur answer i think problem is me-specific. Thank you for your answer. Also it would be great if you have any tweaks or more advices about tactic

[z464]

IMO , Mourinho never play out of defense and I never see his team is attack with 11 players.  ( defense with 11 players for sure ) .

 

Mourinho's attack is pretty simple  . Pass the ball to both flank asap and use their personal capabilities to create attack .  

[Jean0987654321]

7 hours ago, z464 said:

IMO , Mourinho never play out of defense and I never see his team is attack with 11 players.  ( defense with 11 players for sure ) .

 

Mourinho's attack is pretty simple  . Pass the ball to both flank asap and use their personal capabilities to create attack .  

Have you watched our team? We almost always play out of defense. And that attack and defend with 11 players was clearly a joke

 

Not all the time

[felley]

Pretty much all top teams would expect to play out of defense - you rarely see a fancied side hoofing it as a main part of their strategy.

Obviously at times it makes sense and sometimes clearing your lines is necessary but - as much as I'm not a fan of his overall strategy - it would be disingenuous to think of Mourinho as a long-ball coach.

You can be organised and negative and still attempt to play through your opposition. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[z464]

10 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Have you watched our team? We almost always play out of defense. And that attack and defend with 11 players was clearly a joke

 

Not all the time

I'm a fan of Man utd since 1997 , and for sure I have been watched every single game this season .

 

Sometime they can't even play out of defense when they face smaller teams .

Center back and full back are always use long pass to find Lukaku or flank . 

 

[sherifdinn_]

23 hours ago, Jean0987654321 said:

Have you watched our team? We almost always play out of defense. And that attack and defend with 11 players was clearly a joke

 

Not all the time

We don't play out of defense in majority of away games and at times at home against some teams. Our decision to do so depends tbf

[sherifdinn_]

On 23/04/2018 at 22:44, z464 said:

IMO , Mourinho never play out of defense and I never see his team is attack with 11 players.  ( defense with 11 players for sure ) .

 

Mourinho's attack is pretty simple  . Pass the ball to both flank asap and use their personal capabilities to create attack .  

We actually just cause overloads on the left side of the pitch to release valencia (who doesn't cross btw) but the way I see it the intention is to open a channel for someone to exploit by stretching the pitch

[sherifdinn_]

If you actually want to replicate the rl tactic, you wouldn't enjoy the game as there are so many things wrong with our game. One thing is the we have no plan going forward. The players are given absolute freedom to drift into wherever they like. More discipline needs to be instilled in addition to an actual tactic.

[z464]

On 4/25/2018 at 00:19, sherifdinn_ said:

We actually just cause overloads on the left side of the pitch to release valencia (who doesn't cross btw) but the way I see it the intention is to open a channel for someone to exploit by stretching the pitch

Don't hate me , but imo Mourinho's tactics is out of date . 

 

[sherifdinn_]

4 hours ago, z464 said:

Don't hate me , but imo Mourinho's tactics is out of date . 

 

I don't necessarily think so, his game plans in big game often work ( main job is to reduce errors when off the ball and utilise the talents of the attacking players when counterattacking). Worked against spurs and arsenal. But its clear the attack has no plan when going forward in matches against smaller sides.

[goqs06]

On 4/28/2018 at 10:26, sherifdinn_ said:

I don't necessarily think so, his game plans in big game often work ( main job is to reduce errors when off the ball and utilise the talents of the attacking players when counterattacking). Worked against spurs and arsenal. But its clear the attack has no plan when going forward in matches against smaller sides.

I feel that he should be more adventurous against the smaller sides...

[Chase Failey]

Anyone had any luck converting TFM into a right back when he returns from loan?

James Wilson is a very useful right sided inside forward I find if you're looking to do something with him.