Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Alba moves to Barca for £11.5m, i do not think i have been so envious of a transfer since when we missed out on Michael Essien. I know we were never in the running but what a steal bearing in mind that Leppards mob will probably ask for more than that for Leighton Baines. (English player premium can gtf) Yeah, we'd want at least £20m, if not £25m. Now that the Euros are over, I'm really really scared he'll move somewhere else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yeah, we'd want at least £20m, if not £25m. Now that the Euros are over, I'm really really scared he'll move somewhere else Can everton even count that high? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Can everton even count that high? We did for Lescott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 It will happen I am sure but for around the £15m that has been touted. No way will you get £25m for him. Firstly, unless Baines really wants to leave Everton and tells Moyes so, he won't be sold, as Moyes doesn't want to see his best players leaving, especially after we finally have something that resembles a proper team. Secondly, as our only left-back and a very good one at that, he's worth a fair amount to us. Thirdly, you'll be paying extra because Baines is English. I can't see anything less than £20m, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 "Good but not great". You are the same club who spent 8m on Bebe, so yes. 5m for us is almost two players, so it'll make a hell of a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 No, we spent 8m on Jorge Mendez, not Bebe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookieman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Don't forget he has Barca DNA So it's probably a good thing we didn't go for him tbf Another player they let go as a youngster and then pay big money to get back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Im sorry but he isn't great. You seem to have an inflated opinion over how good he is and what he is worth.. And you seem to have a very low opinion of him. He is a great left-back but doesn't get the recognition because he's not playing for a CL club, and I'm perfectly fine with that. And I don't care what he's worth because that matters very little. What matters more is what he's worth to us, and that is easily a lot more than you think. Do you think Berbs was worth 30m? I grant that Bill Kenwright is no Daniel Levy but the point still stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 sometimes I think everton fans forget they are not a big club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Because that's totally what I said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Was Berba worth 30m? Hell no but we bought him on deadline day and left Spurs with no time to get in a replacement. Oh no wait, they got Campbell (on loan) from us Probably demanded a couple extra million for taking him tbf... Oh and we were in a bidding war with City ffs! Couldn't have chosen a worse transfer to compare this to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The point is not comparing transfers. The point is you guys are not infallible and have paid an amount higher than what a player is seemingly worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 And if we are down to deadline day with City/Chelsea also bidding for Baines you might get 25m, just not from us. If we are alone in bidding and it's done in July you won't get more than 15-16m at the most and you'll accept it and everyone will be happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 We'll be disappointed as hell to just get 15m for Baines. If Stewart Downing can go for 20m... besides, if you remove the extra you'd be paying just for him being English, it'd come down to something like 7m, which is just laughable. As I said, Baines won't be sold unless he tells Moyes he wants to leave. I haven't seen an indication that that's the case yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Baines isn't a great left back, he's a very good one. He's also going to be almost 28 by the time he moves, quite a few years younger than Dani Alves was (when a far superior player) moved for £30m and there is no chance Baines will go for anything like that amount. We'll want him for £12m, Everton will want £20m, we'll offer £15m, they'll ask for £17m and it wont happen and we'll look somewhere else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 He is English. Automatically add around 8m to his regular value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Stewart Downing: And English player (which is apparantly worth 8m) who plays in an attacking position (which is always worth more than a defensive one, rightly or wrongly). He went to Liverpool under the same stewardship that thought ANDY CARROLL WAS WORTH 35 MILLION. So we'll be having Baines for 3p and a packet of crisps if you want to stick to another poor comparison Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Baines' value of £20 million has nothing to do with him being English and everything to do with him being the best left-back in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 He is English. Automatically add around 8m to his regular value. I already have, you aren't selling to City, Barca or Real Madrid. An almost 28 year old leftback isn't moving for £20m, you'll hold on another year then sell him for £10m to a lesser club. Baines' value of £20 million has nothing to do with him being English and everything to do with him being the best left-back in the world. Yeah, it's a rubbish valuation because he isn't the best leftback in the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 He clearly is, and within 5 minutes of signing for United everyone will magically agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 If we sign him for £25m I'll be gutted frankly I'll be happy if we paid £12m (what he's actually worth) passive if we pay £15m and livid if we waste 17m on a leftback who isn't going to improve at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yet if he doesn't improve, he'll still be the best left-back in the league by miles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 If we sign him for £25m I'll be gutted frankly I'll be happy if we paid £12m (what he's actually worth) passive if we pay £15m and livid if we waste 17m on a leftback who isn't going to improve at all. Aren't enough grinning smilies in the world for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yet if he doesn't improve, he'll still be the best left-back in the league by miles. By miles? Steady on now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yet if he doesn't improve, he'll still be the best left-back in the league by miles. Well he isn't, but I'll ignore that... even then he will have a year or two before he starts to decline, not worth £25m in any way, shape or form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Yet if he doesn't improve, he'll still be the best left-back in the league by miles. Err, Ashley Cole? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 He clearly is, and within 5 minutes of signing for United everyone will magically agree.Ashley Cole is still better than Baines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Cole has been on the decline for the past few years. Nowhere close to being better than Baines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Bias vs bias, who will come out on top and make the other one believe their scewed world view is the one true view??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 United fans will say 'Evra is better ' and we'd all laugh? Ugh, I need to cut down posting in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Still lol'ing at Zaitsev trying to claim Baines is better than Lahm to do that tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 United fans will say 'Evra is better ' and we'd all laugh?Ugh, I need to cut down posting in here. Doubt you'll find any in here who'd claim Evra is the best anymore, playing for 5 years straight without getting any proper rest has completely ruined him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Baines is amazy. That said, he won't come to us for £25m simply because we have bigger issues and limited funds. Only way I can see him going anywhere is if Moyes decides he'd rather improve the squad as a whole; if Chelsea or city aren't enticed then it'll be a case of whether the £17m odd we'd be willing to part with is sufficient for him to do that. Fee's not that daft when you consider it's similar to what we reportedly paid for Young, who's only 7 months older. But yeah, he's quality. Would love him here despite the fact that he'd be usurping cult hero Paddy :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Still lol'ing at Zaitsev trying to claim Baines is better than Lahm to do that tbh. Lahm is a right-back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Lahm is a right-back The same way Irwin was a right-back. Lahm is just as good on the left as he is on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Lahm is a right-back Lahm is a better leftback than Baines regardless of which side he plays on for the national team. Fee's not that daft when you consider it's similar to what we reportedly paid for Young, who's only 7 months older. Apart from when we signed Young he'd be a year and 7 months younger than if we sign Baines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I already have, you aren't selling to City, Barca or Real Madrid. An almost 28 year old leftback isn't moving for £20m, you'll hold on another year then sell him for £10m to a lesser club. Spot on, Baines to move to Spurs for £8 million next summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Spot on, Baines to move to Spurs for £8 million next summer. Don't be silly, Spurs have a world class left back themselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Lahm is a better leftback than Baines regardless of which side he plays on for the national team. Lahm doesn't play in the PL last I checked, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Lahm doesn't play in the PL last I checked, though. Thats true but also irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Thats true but also irrelevant. Isn't irrelevant. Lahm being better than Baines doesn't mean Baines isn't easily the best left-back in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Isn't irrelevant. Lahm being better than Baines doesn't mean Baines isn't easily the best left-back in the league.But that's still incorrect because Cole > Baines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Isn't irrelevant. Lahm being better than Baines doesn't mean Baines isn't easily the best left-back in the league. It is when Zaitsev claimed he was the best in the world. Keep up mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Isn't irrelevant. Lahm being better than Baines doesn't mean Baines isn't easily the best left-back in the league. Baines' value of £20 million has nothing to do with him being English and everything to do with him being the best left-back in the world. Still lol'ing at Zaitsev trying to claim Baines is better than Lahm to do that tbh. Yeah... it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 We could always do a three-way swap. Pay the £25m that Leppard wants for Baines and then convince Bayern to take Baines for Lahm and have Zaitsev convince them it's a good deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Baines doesn't want to move to Munich. Bayern wanted him to play at left-back over Lahm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 It is when Zaitsev claimed he was the best in the world. Keep up mate Yeah but I didn't Should just give us 50m for Baines and Rodwell combined. We'll throw in Phil Neville for fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 £35m and that young potential in midfield. What's his name again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookieman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 £35m and that young potential in midfield. What's his name again? Ross Barkley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'm gonna guess Rodwell tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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