pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Ok after struggling to create a good tactic on football manager since FM06 i've finally cracked it. Before i move onto the tactic i have to give massive credit to loversleaper, who's thread a bit further down the page on developing tactics helped me a great deal. In my current game managing Oldham Athletic i've just finished the 2015/16 season my first in the premier league, having spent around 3 seasons in league 1 and the same in the Championship, using other tactics i found on this forum, some good some bad, but none consistent enough which played the type of football i wanted. I then stumbled across Loversleapers thread and created his tactics as he outlined in his thread, with pretty good success finishing 4th in the Championship and losing out on the play offs's i was predicted to finish 11th so not too bad but could be better. The next season i decided i'd have a go myself and created 2 tactics a home tactic and a control tactic, alot based around what Loversleaper had outlined in his thread. I had an amazing season and got promoted as champions with 105pts. I used the home tactic at home and the control away, and the tactic played out just as i hoped it would. Onto the Premiership then, well i was predicted to finish 18th and to be honest my squad in truth is really only a decent championship side, i struggled to bring in any quality signings as no player i was interested in would join my club, i dont like journey men, and my squad average age was just 21, and pretty much the same team that won the championship the season before. I expected a season of struggle and so did my board, just hoping i fight bravely against relegation, what transpired blew me away i finished the season as runners up, as well as reaching the FA cup final, i did the double over Chelsea and Arsenal as well as beating Man Utd at home 5-0 i dominated possession in all my games usually around 60% and clear cut chances where usually better then the oppositions. Due to the fact in all my games i was underdog bar 2 or 3 games i used the control tactic home and away and only used my home tactic if i was at home against lower league opposition in the cup. Now for some screenshots. Formation http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/slider1/SeXyFoOtBaLlControltactic.jpg League table http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/slider1/FMO9Leaguetable.jpg Fixtures http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/slider1/FM09Fixtures.jpg Beating Man Utd http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/slider1/WhoopingManUtd.jpg Now for the type of player you need to look for: Goalkeeper; Pretty much your standard keeper. Full backs; Tackling, dribbling, crossing, Stamina and pace, as these will get forward often and supply crosses but also need to help out the defence. Centre Backs; Tackling, Marking, Jumping, Concentration, Positioning, Pace (at least above 12 and one even quicker if you can) and Teamwork DMC; Tackling, Passsing, Creativity, Strength. On the home tactic this guy will be your playmaker he also needs good passing and creativity as he will create alot of goals. Wingers; Pace, Dribbling, Crossing, Stamina and off the ball. MC; Passing and Creativity, this player links the play as well as creating goals Strikers; Pace, Off the Ball, Finishing, and composure. The tactic is designed for two pacy forwards who will swap positions, it creates quite a few one on ones, so pace is needed in abundance but the tactic also creates a few crosses so if they are good in the air that would help also. The link to the tactics http://files.filefront.com/SeXy+FoOtBaLL+Home+Oldham6tac/;13045742;/fileinfo.html http://files.filefront.com/SeXy+FoOtBaLl+Control+Old6tac/;13045727;/fileinfo.html http://files.filefront.com/SeXy+FoOtBaLL+Home+V2+Man9tac/;13439501;/fileinfo.html http://files.filefront.com/SeXy+FoOtBaLl+Control+V2+9tac/;13439500;/fileinfo.html Version 2 of the tactics are for patch 9.3 of the match engine, if your running any other patch your best of downloading the original tactics. Feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth250480 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi, how are your strikers getting on in this. are the goals spread evenly or are they hit and miss like most 4-4-2 tactics. i am interested to know as i have 4 quality strikers in my side and can not get any of them to score above 20 goals a season and would love to get a 4-4-2 formation working where the strikers can get 25-30 goals a season each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgh Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Do you use the control tactic only at away games or also when you play at home? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9inarowhoops Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Do you use any oi like closing down on to weaker foot etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9inarowhoops Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Sorry to bother u again i see playmaker is ticked who is your playmaker or do u use one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth250480 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 he mentioned in the thread that the DM is the playmaker. on the home tactic anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Do you use the control tactic only at away games or also when you play at home? When i won promotion from the championship, i used the Home tactic at home and i used the control away. But because when i was underdogs in every game in the Premiership apart from 2 or 3 i used the control tactic home and away. If you are one of the strongest teams in the league i would use the Home tactic at home and control away unless you play one of the other big teams at home then i would use control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Just downloaded the Tactics. About to start a game with Farsley Celtic in the Blue Square North League (Thought id give myself a challenge, always play top clubs) Anyway... i'll need all the help i can get starting that low, so heres hoping these tactics work. Ill drop you a line when i get to say... Christmas in the first season. ps what size of park do you normally use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi,how are your strikers getting on in this. are the goals spread evenly or are they hit and miss like most 4-4-2 tactics. i am interested to know as i have 4 quality strikers in my side and can not get any of them to score above 20 goals a season and would love to get a 4-4-2 formation working where the strikers can get 25-30 goals a season each. In the championship my strikers both scored over 20 goals each, but in the Premiership because my stikers are not that good i had 1 striker score 22 goals and the other stikers chipped in with around 10 each, io have 4 strikers though who are roughly the same ability so i rotate my strikers to which ones are in form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Just downloaded the Tactics. About to start a game with Farsley Celtic in the Blue Square North League (Thought id give myself a challenge, always play top clubs) Anyway... i'll need all the help i can get starting that low, so heres hoping these tactics work.Ill drop you a line when i get to say... Christmas in the first season. ps what size of park do you normally use? I use the widest possible which isn't that big cant remember the dimensions but Oldham dont have the biggest of stadiums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth250480 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 what sort of ratings do your midfield get. do they chip in with a few goals each (especially the wingers). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gebadire Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Having got Havant and Waterlooville up to the Championship I am begining to struggle so I will give this tactic a shot and report back with how I get on! Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 what sort of ratings do your midfield get. do they chip in with a few goals each (especially the wingers). My wingers chip in with a few goals, and get good ratings, my DMC gets 1 or 2 but if you have a player with good long shots he'll probably get some more, my centre mid can gets pretty good ratings and agains scores the odd one, initially when i created the tactic i made it a diamond but the AMC rating was really bad, in which i read it was a bug so i dropped him back into the Centre mid spot and his ratings improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 These are my players goals and ratings for the season. To give you an idea of where my goals come from. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/slider1/playergoalsandratings.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3at Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Seems decent enough but you concede much by the looks of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Seems decent enough but you concede much by the looks of it. Yeah i do but thats down to my poor quality squad imo, out of my entire team i only had 2 full internationals last season 1 played for Belgium and one for Senegal, and my squad average age was 21. I was surprised when i won promotion from the championship so easily, so with the same group of players to finish 2nd in the prem was outstanding and once i get some better players in i expect the defence to improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth250480 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 These are my players goals and ratings for the season. To give you an idea of where my goals come from.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/slider1/playergoalsandratings.jpg Thanks for this. i will give these a try tomorrow night with a decent at madrid squad and let you know how i get on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrincha Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi there, Is it for 9.2 or 9.1? Thank you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi there,Is it for 9.2 or 9.1? Thank you... This is for 9.2 not tried it on any other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgh Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 When i won promotion from the championship, i used the Home tactic at home and i used the control away. But because when i was underdogs in every game in the Premiership apart from 2 or 3 i used the control tactic home and away.If you are one of the strongest teams in the league i would use the Home tactic at home and control away unless you play one of the other big teams at home then i would use control. I wouldn`t say that I have the strongest team. I use Ajax in 9.1 and I`m trying to beat the big teams in the Champions League like Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Inter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 I wouldn`t say that I have the strongest team. I use Ajax in 9.1 and I`m trying to beat the big teams in the Champions League like Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Inter. Unless you are comfortable favourites at home i would use control, and always use control away. If at any time after 30 mins you are getting outplayed then switch to the other, you tend to know if its going right if your ass man says your tackling superbly and your keeping possession you should also have more clear cut chances then the opposition in most games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgh Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Arsenal are killing me every time I start the game. I`m playing away and have to defend a 1-0 win (don`t ask me how). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 Arsenal are killing me every time I start the game. I`m playing away and have to defend a 1-0 win (don`t ask me how). I've not tried the tactic on 9.1 but i'd use control and see how it goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i've been using other tactics but i'll test this for you in first season as the mighty middlesbrough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgh Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Already tried it, but I still keep getting hammered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm getting shafted at the moment due to the flaming Olympics, i've got 7 players out on internationals and a further 4 injured, i've got a youth teamer playing right back my back up player playing left back both my centre backs on international duty, no left wingers, and only one of my first choice strikers playing. My opening fixtures were both away to Newcastle and Arsenal lost em both narrowly 2-1. Just hoping i wont be to far behind the other teams and i can keep morale up until i get my full strength team out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9inarowhoops Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Brillant tactics mate.playing as man u pl 18 won 17 1 draw against arsenal 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Brillant tactics mate.playing as man u pl 18 won 17 1 draw against arsenal 2 2 Glad your having success with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgh Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Too bad that I`m not having success beating Arsenal with my Ajax team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gebadire Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Seems to be working ok for me. I had a 2 week gap so I set up 2 friendlys and started using this tactic, won those 7-0 and 10-0, then I've won 2 and lost 1 with it in the League. Playing as Havant and Waterlooville in the Championship, and I don't have any 'outstanding' players at the mo either, so it's working quite well for me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayHunt Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Downloaded this last night and very good so far. Mainly using the control set up. Started with Everton 9.2 patch. Have not made huge additions to the squad just Stephen Appiah on a free and Emerson from Milan for 650k. 2nd in league after 9 games. 5 wins 3 draws and a defeat. One query I have with the tactic is goalscoring. I am scoring plenty, 17 in 9 games, but top scorers are Yobo and Arteta with 4 each. Yak, Vaughan and Anichebe have 6 beween them. Is it just because they are poor strikers or is it part of the tactical set-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth250480 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Downloaded this last night and very good so far. Mainly using the control set up. Started with Everton 9.2 patch. Have not made huge additions to the squad just Stephen Appiah on a free and Emerson from Milan for 650k. 2nd in league after 9 games. 5 wins 3 draws and a defeat. One query I have with the tactic is goalscoring. I am scoring plenty, 17 in 9 games, but top scorers are Yobo and Arteta with 4 each. Yak, Vaughan and Anichebe have 6 beween them. Is it just because they are poor strikers or is it part of the tactical set-up. I have started to use this in the last hour and have played 3 friendlys and the charity shield. Using it initially with Man Utd and only used home tactic even though all 3 friendlies were away. Results so far very impressive: Heerenveen 3-0 win (aguero hat trick) Sporting Lisbon 5-1 win (aguero x2, rooney x2, Nani) Benfica 3-1 win (aguero, rooney & ferdinand) Aston Villa (charity Shield) 3-0 win (aguero, rooney & ronaldo) Hopefully this will continue as early indications are a good scoring rate from both strikers. found it extremely hard to find a tactic where both strikers play well, get good ratings and score a decent amount of goals. will post some further results tomorrow as at work now so will be back on tonight testing in the league and champions league. will also test this with an at madrid game i have. pretty average squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Downloaded this last night and very good so far. Mainly using the control set up. Started with Everton 9.2 patch. Have not made huge additions to the squad just Stephen Appiah on a free and Emerson from Milan for 650k. 2nd in league after 9 games. 5 wins 3 draws and a defeat. One query I have with the tactic is goalscoring. I am scoring plenty, 17 in 9 games, but top scorers are Yobo and Arteta with 4 each. Yak, Vaughan and Anichebe have 6 beween them. Is it just because they are poor strikers or is it part of the tactical set-up. To be honest i'm not sure as i'm in the same situation myself, in the championship where my strikers were good for that division they both scored over 20 each, but since i've been in the prem, the best i had was 17 league goals from a striker 22 goals altogether, i've only played 12 games so far into my new season in the prem i'm 2nd, which isn't to bad due to the fact i lost 3 of my first 4 games due to half my team being at the olympics, i guess thats the downside of a very young squad. My strikers aint exactly on fire but i'm getting goals all through the team, i am creating alot of clear cut chances though so i expect better strikers will make the tactic even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudubrdx Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Great goal scoring tactic so far. This has really turned my season around. Expect 10-12 goals from your CB from corners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Woo-Hoo! 0-3 loss away to Barnsley in first game. Hope it improves! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayHunt Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Woo-Hoo! 0-3 loss away to Barnsley in first game. Hope it improves! Who are you playing as? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Woo-Hoo! 0-3 loss away to Barnsley in first game. Hope it improves! Which tactic did you use and who are you using were you favourites or underdogs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'm Cardiff and I was 6th, Barnsley were errr...12th I think. I used control. It was my first game so maybe they need to get used to it. I beat Coventry 1-0 at home next game, they were 16th. Just lost 1-2 away at Ipswich who were 2nd. I was one up and going well but got caught twice. Still hopeful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Nice, just battered Burnley (19th) 3-0 at home, they only had one shot, off target. Out of interest, I was wondering what teamtalks people give. I nearly always say before a game that we can win it. Then, half time. 0-0 - we can win this. winning by one goal - encourage winning by two goals - don't let up performance winning by three goals - pleased Losing - expect more Does this seem about right? I often have trouble holding on to a half time lead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Now a 3-0 away win! Admittedly against Hull who are rock bottom. But that's a great score. I have some more questions:- For Pointon - when you are losing away do you swith to Home? And when looking to defend a lead at home switch to Control? For anyone - I've been wondering about the level of * rating you had for your players when you went up. My current first team is as follows, I'm in my second season by the way. GK: 3* RB: 5* LB: 4* CB: 5* CB: 5* DM: 6* RM: 5* LM: 5* CM: 5* ST: 5* ST: 6* Apart from my obvious weakness at GK I don't think this is a bad side. When you were promoted Pointon what were your star ratings like? In my mind I'm thinking that if my first team is all 5* / 6* then I really should be looking to go up. Would people say that is fair or am I well out of touch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 1-1 (H) Bristol - was on top though 1-1 (A) QPR - they got an injury time equaliser! 3-0 (H) Preston - very comfortable I'm liking what I'm seeing so far now that my players have given it a few games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roady99 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Just want to say a massive thanks for this tactic i was just about to throw my game in the bin through complete and utter frustration i have tried so many tactics one's i made myself and other from here just to get a little consistancy, Although im not winning every match i did manage to go 18 games unbeaten with wolves, Just hopeful of getting in the play offs now, Once again thanks /// Ok maybe not just gone on a 4 match losing streak... Grrrrrrrrrr :@ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Now a 3-0 away win! Admittedly against Hull who are rock bottom. But that's a great score.I have some more questions:- For Pointon - when you are losing away do you swith to Home? And when looking to defend a lead at home switch to Control? For anyone - I've been wondering about the level of * rating you had for your players when you went up. My current first team is as follows, I'm in my second season by the way. GK: 3* RB: 5* LB: 4* CB: 5* CB: 5* DM: 6* RM: 5* LM: 5* CM: 5* ST: 5* ST: 6* Apart from my obvious weakness at GK I don't think this is a bad side. When you were promoted Pointon what were your star ratings like? In my mind I'm thinking that if my first team is all 5* / 6* then I really should be looking to go up. Would people say that is fair or am I well out of touch? If i go a goal down and i'm using control i tend to leave it as long as i'm playing well, i look at my ass man feedback if he says we're tackling well and keeping the ball well i'm generally happy if i'm at home and its nearing the end of the game and i'm winning by a single gaol i'll usually drop it down to control as this keeps the ball really well. As for my star ratings i cant remember but i dont take much notice to be honest as even if your a weak team near the top of the league and your players are playing well they suddenly get better and the opposite if you start to struggle. I've just been given the AS Roma job as they are near the bottom of serie A, the squad is in a right mess though, far to many players many far too old and no decent keeper or wingers, no pacy forwards and no decent full backs, until i get to a transfer window i'm gonna struggle i've had a 3 wins 2 draws and 2 defeats so far, but i know it'll pick up when they get used to the style and i can get the right players in, you just have to give it time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayHunt Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 19 games with Everton. 4th in the league. 10 wins 6 draws 3 defeats. The losses were away to United and Arsenal and Unfortunately at home to Liverpool. Went to Chelsea and won 1-0. Very solid tactic. Goals are spead aroung alot. Top scorer is Yak with 9 in 29 in all competitions. Will keep you posted as season progresses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well, I have to say I am well happy with this so far, I have ended up 5th and before I enter the agony of the play-offs I thought I'd tell you how it has gone. What I like about this is the consistency. Many performances with other tactics appeared completely random but here you can see a nice solid way of playing. Played: 15 Won: 8 Drew: 4 Lost: 3 For: 24 Against: 15 Two of those three were in the first three games. So I am very happy. Congrats Pointon. Now for those play-offs... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well, I have to say I am well happy with this so far, I have ended up 5th and before I enter the agony of the play-offs I thought I'd tell you how it has gone. What I like about this is the consistency. Many performances with other tactics appeared completely random but here you can see a nice solid way of playing.Played: 15 Won: 8 Drew: 4 Lost: 3 For: 24 Against: 15 Two of those three were in the first three games. So I am very happy. Congrats Pointon. Now for those play-offs... Pleased your having success, let me know how you get on in the play offs. My results have improved now with Roma 4 straight victories without conceeding a goal, in two of those games away from home against opposition not as good as myself i played the home tactic and it dominated really well so i'll continue, as this is the first time i've managed a team with the tactic that is generally always superior to the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9inarowhoops Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Tactic still going great mate,only 2 loses i have had is against arsenal just lost 3 0 started of with control down 2 0 after 20min then switched to home,final result 3 0.Any suggestions how to beat the arsenal,best tactic yet mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon27 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Tactic still going great mate,only 2 loses i have had is against arsenal just lost 3 0 started of with control down 2 0 after 20min then switched to home,final result 3 0.Any suggestions how to beat the arsenal,best tactic yet mate I played Arsenal 3 times in a season with Oldham, 2 in the league 1 in the cup, i did the double over them in the league having said that the games could of gone either way, i then played them in the FA cup final and lost 3-1 in another close game, i used control in all the games. They are tough though so understand your problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timcliffsmith Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I beat West Ham on pens (1-0 to each in the respective home legs) and then had Palace in the final they took the lead, I equalised but they hit two late ones which I was a bit gutted about but am really looking forward to next season. Gonna get a decent keeper in for starters. I played the home tactic at Wembley because I was the favourite - maybe I should have gone with control but you never know. Thanks again for the tactics, will let you know how next season goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I've just started a new game with Blyth Spartans in Blue Square North. Just in pre season played 4 games won all 4 conceding just 1 goal while scoring 15. okay 2 games were against lower opposition but the other two were against Blue Square Premier teams. Good Tactic man I'll give some more feedback later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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