Selecting Jersey Color for Matches

[phd_angel]

How are jersey kits selected before matches IRL and in FM? 

I sometimes see automatic selections that don't make much sense.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could choose the kit before matches start whenever possible?...

[Brother Ben]

I think the answer would be that its not something a manager would decide

[phd_angel]

1 hour ago, Brother Ben said:

I think the answer would be that its not something a manager would decide

Possible. Though in FM we make decisions that managers never make IRL... The list is long.

Edited March 23 by phd_angel

[Jay25H]

17 hours ago, phd_angel said:

How are jersey kits selected before matches IRL and in FM? 

I sometimes see automatic selections that don't make much sense.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could choose the kit before matches start whenever possible?...

You might as well go play EAFC24 career mode if youre interested in things like that, i think its one of the most pointless things to add on future FMs.

[phd_angel]

16 minutes ago, Jay25H said:

You might as well go play EAFC24 career mode if youre interested in things like that, i think its one of the most pointless things to add on future FMs.

If you don't mind matches where both teams wear the same color, good for you... No need to get pissy though... Peace.

[Brother Ben]

1 hour ago, phd_angel said:

Possible. Though in FM we make decisions that managers never make IRL... The list is long.

Yeah there's loads I'd like to see gone, not least hiring/firing the director of football.

[Bones32]

1 hour ago, phd_angel said:

If you don't mind matches where both teams wear the same color, good for you... No need to get pissy though... Peace.

I totally agree with you. On some odd occasions the strip choice is illogical and leads to colour clash.

We should have a chance to choose kit.

If we are going to get so hung up on what we think happens in real life I am sure that the manager would have something to say

if there was going to be a colour clash.

[Jay25H]

16 minutes ago, Bones32 said:

I totally agree with you. On some odd occasions the strip choice is illogical and leads to colour clash.

We should have a chance to choose kit.

If we are going to get so hung up on what we think happens in real life I am sure that the manager would have something to say

if there was going to be a colour clash.

why would the manager have any say on what colour kit the team should wear hahaha, Its the kit managers job to sort out the kits literally nothing to do with the manager.

[Jay25H]

1 hour ago, phd_angel said:

If you don't mind matches where both teams wear the same color, good for you... No need to get pissy though... Peace.

how was i getting pissy with you? If You're getting butt hurt over a comment i made about you might as well go play EAFC24 career mode if youre interested in things like that over than bigger issuse with the game or things that would actually make future FMs better then good luck with that dead request.

[sdx15]

On 23/03/2024 at 05:19, phd_angel said:

How are jersey kits selected before matches IRL and in FM? 

In real life, at least in leagues I follow, both teams communicate their kit selection beforehand and then resolve any possible kit clashes before the away team travels (with their kits).

In FM I think things are made pretty simple. Both teams play in home kits unless the game detects a kit clash and then forces the away team to play in another kit. It's been working pretty well for me this year, but my team has three kits; red, white and blue so it's hard to get a kit clash with three such distinct kits.

[\'Appy \'Ammer]

IRL I deplore the kit rules. Many many pointless kit changes. Years ago if West Ham were playing away against a team in white shorts and socks (Leeds for example), we would simply change our shorts and socks to the away ones. Nowadays we end up running out in a full 2nd or 3rd kit. Trivial, maybe? Bugs me? Definitely.

I think, again IRL, there needs to be stronger regulations for what colours a 2nd and 3rd kit should be. A dark coloured home kit should not have a dark coloured away kit. That's just an excuse to create a 3rd kit to make more money out of the fans. 

There was no reason Brazil couldn't have worn their home kit in last night's match against England. 

Personally I would like the option to alter club away colours every couple of seasons. Classic Liverpool away kits have been yellow shirts, yellow shorts and socks, whilst also a white shirt, blacks shorts, red socks has been quite iconic. It sort of defines certain eras of a club. 

[Smoo]

13 hours ago, Jay25H said:

why would the manager have any say on what colour kit the team should wear hahaha, Its the kit managers job to sort out the kits literally nothing to do with the manager.

Why would the manager have any say on how much the club are willing to spend on a player? Or any aspect of their contract? That's the Director of Football's job, literally nothing to do with the manager.

[Jay25H]

14 minutes ago, Smoo said:

Why would the manager have any say on how much the club are willing to spend on a player? Or any aspect of their contract? That's the Director of Football's job, literally nothing to do with the manager.

News flash we're not talking about why would the manager have any say on how much the club are willing to spend on a player, this is about selecting kit colour for matches hence the title of the discussion so your point to me is irrelevent.

[Smoo]

3 minutes ago, Jay25H said:

News flash we're not talking about why would the manager have any say on how much the club are willing to spend on a player, this is about selecting kit colour for matches hence the title of the discussion so your point to me is irrelevent.

Your double standard makes it relevant.

[Jay25H]

14 minutes ago, Smoo said:

Your double standard makes it relevant.

whats the title of this discussion? can you read? where have i talked about ''the manager have any say on how much the club are willing to spend on a player? Or any aspect of their contract? That's the Director of Football's job, literally nothing to do with the manager'' you commenting to me about absolutley nothing to do with the selecting of kit colours makes it irrelevent to this discussion so your double standards comment is just pure waffle haha. Its like you're trying to make this into a argument over a FM discussion jesus go touch grass pal.

[Smoo]

1 hour ago, Jay25H said:

whats the title of this discussion? can you read? where have i talked about ''the manager have any say on how much the club are willing to spend on a player? Or any aspect of their contract? That's the Director of Football's job, literally nothing to do with the manager'' you commenting to me about absolutley nothing to do with the selecting of kit colours makes it irrelevent to this discussion so your double standards comment is just pure waffle haha. Its like you're trying to make this into a argument over a FM discussion jesus go touch grass pal.

This is a discussion forum, you might be better suited to Twitter.

[Jay25H]

Yes a discussion about Selecting Jersey Color for Matches as said in the title of this topic, it had nothing to do with what you said haha. If you wanted to talk about on why would the manager have any say on how much the club are willing to spend on a player? Or any aspect of their contract? That's the Director of Football's job, literally nothing to do with the manager, hows about start a new topic about it if you have a problem or want to discuss it with other people its very simple to do. I really dont need to be suited to twitter cause people like you are in these forums that are just as brain dead as them lot who use twitter, peace

[Smoo]

Managers do not decide what strip the team plays in. Managers do not decide transfer dealings. The former is not a game feature, the latter is. Your argument that strip selection shouldn't be in the game because that's not the manager's job, then SI should take away our ability to make transfers, and leave that entirely to the DoF.

But that would be ridiculous, just as telling someone to go play EAFC just because they asked a question would be.

[Jay25H]

27 minutes ago, Smoo said:

Managers do not decide what strip the team plays in. Managers do not decide transfer dealings. The former is not a game feature, the latter is. Your argument that strip selection shouldn't be in the game because that's not the manager's job, then SI should take away our ability to make transfers, and leave that entirely to the DoF.

But that would be ridiculous, just as telling someone to go play EAFC just because they asked a question would be.

What are you actually on about my agrument you absolute **** since when has an opinion been an argument? im not arguing with anyone you stupid person as i said this wasnt a discussion about Managers do not decide transfer dealings READ THE TITLE TOPIC DISCUSSION you absolute ******. i couldnt care less about about kit clashes on FM im not picky about little things like that and to state it as an argument you seriously need to step away from you pc/laptop and go socialise in the real world

[kiwityke1983]

11 hours ago, Jay25H said:

What are you actually on about my agrument you absolute **** since when has an opinion been an argument? im not arguing with anyone you stupid person as i said this wasnt a discussion about Managers do not decide transfer dealings READ THE TITLE TOPIC DISCUSSION you absolute ******. i couldnt care less about about kit clashes on FM im not picky about little things like that and to state it as an argument you seriously need to step away from you pc/laptop and go socialise in the real world

If anyone needs to touch grass and step away from their laptop or whatever you are using to post these messages it's you. 

[vishers]

It may not be the managers decision which kit his team wear IRL but we're not actually football managers, we're just playing a game so if watching the 3d would be awkward if the kits clash, a simple screen just prior to the match starting showing the two kits and giving the user the option to switch if they think they will clash would solve the issue

 

[Brother Ben]

The issue with managers buying players is that when CM/FM was first conceived managers did indeed have pretty much full involvement in signings.  At least in the UK.  It's now become such a fundamental part of the game experience that its an acceptable compromise in terms of realism.  To say as has been mentioned in this thread that it would purely be down to a DOF is nonsense.  It's becoming the trend but my guess is that really experienced managers do have a huge say in signings.  They just aren't involved in the contract side of it anymore.

I know it wouldn't happen because its one of the major attractions of the franchise but when you apply for a job at a club I think you should be told what level of control you will get over transfers. 

Maybe you can even negotiate it at the interview stage.  You could then as your career progresses earn the right to be more involved in signings.

Things like choosing shirt colours a manager would never be involved in.  If there are clashes then its up to SI to fix the game to make sure it doesn't happen imo.

Edited March 25 by Brother Ben

[Brother Ben]

4 minutes ago, vishers said:

It may not be the managers decision which kit his team wear IRL but we're not actually football managers, we're just playing a game so if watching the 3d would be awkward if the kits clash, a simple screen just prior to the match starting showing the two kits and giving the user the option to switch if they think they will clash would solve the issue

 

What kind of heresy is this?    

[vishers]

18 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

What kind of heresy is this?    

I apologise unreservedly, please forgive me

[Costav]

On 23/03/2024 at 05:19, phd_angel said:

How are jersey kits selected before matches IRL and in FM? 

I sometimes see automatic selections that don't make much sense.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could choose the kit before matches start whenever possible?...

IRL kits (at a lowest levels) are selected based on which kit the away team brings, i.e. the completely opposite from the what somebody would imagine. This is because home teams have (usually) their storage facility at the pitch (or stadium), so they can easily change their kit, while is unrealistic for away teams to bring all kits they have.

At the professional and semi-professional level the logistic is much more "easier" to manage and more organize, they know in advance home/away kits for every team and they can bring more kits whenever it needs. However, kit decision is always managed by the teams AND by the referees, because there are several standards to comply with (for example, in European competitions they have chromatic standards within the same kit too) and kits needs to be adapted also to the kit of the referees.

[XaW]

17 hours ago, Jay25H said:

What are you actually on about my agrument you absolute **** since when has an opinion been an argument? im not arguing with anyone you stupid person as i said this wasnt a discussion about Managers do not decide transfer dealings READ THE TITLE TOPIC DISCUSSION you absolute ******. i couldnt care less about about kit clashes on FM im not picky about little things like that and to state it as an argument you seriously need to step away from you pc/laptop and go socialise in the real world

You've been told before that name calling other users is not fine. This is the final warning before there is action taken.

Feel free to disagree with other users, but the name calling stops now.

[phd_angel]

9 hours ago, Brother Ben said:

The issue with managers buying players is that when CM/FM was first conceived managers did indeed have pretty much full involvement in signings.  At least in the UK.  It's now become such a fundamental part of the game experience that its an acceptable compromise in terms of realism.  To say as has been mentioned in this thread that it would purely be down to a DOF is nonsense.  It's becoming the trend but my guess is that really experienced managers do have a huge say in signings.  They just aren't involved in the contract side of it anymore.

I know it wouldn't happen because its one of the major attractions of the franchise but when you apply for a job at a club I think you should be told what level of control you will get over transfers. 

Maybe you can even negotiate it at the interview stage.  You could then as your career progresses earn the right to be more involved in signings.

Things like choosing shirt colours a manager would never be involved in.  If there are clashes then its up to SI to fix the game to make sure it doesn't happen imo.

 

Indeed, managers are somewhat involved in bringing/offloading players IRL but this is a qualitative conversation with the business team (for example, "how much I want that player on a scale: from indispensable, quite a lot, somewhat, a little, to don't bother...). FM allowing managers to arrange contract details is *not* realistic, but it's fun. (And you don't want to delegate it to AI staff to make stupid decisions anyways...)

Likewise, managers shouldn't select jersey kits before matches, but the game often mixes up colors, and, two, it could be fun.

As I said before, FM allows managers to make decisions on many topics in ways that do not follow real football practice, but these decisions are lots of fun anyways. Selecting jersey kits would be just one more possibility.

But, hey, I'm not losing my sleep over this topic...