Boca Juniors

[latrell]

this formation really interest me as you get to have two strikers and two wingers and a number ten in the hole but what worries me is the lone midfielder how would you guys translate this into fm and could it work and be successful 

[SixPointer]

Use inverted wings backs to support the lone midfielder for a start

[latrell]

5 minutes ago, SixPointer said:

Use inverted wings backs to support the lone midfielder for a start

i am going to give that a go to see if the midfielder will get more help.

[craigcwwe]

Isn't that 4132 meant to be 3 CMs and not wingers? Pretty sure they don't play a 4132 like it appears in that graphic.

imo it's a 4132 with a DM, 3 CMs in one line and no player in the AMC role. 

 

GK

LB CB CB RB

DM

CM  CM  CM 

ST ST

 

And then whatever roles and duties you want but the above is the base shape. 

Edited March 11, 2020 by craigcwwe

[latrell]

5 hours ago, craigcwwe said:

Isn't that 4132 meant to be 3 CMs and not wingers? Pretty sure they don't play a 4132 like it appears in that graphic.

imo it's a 4132 with a DM, 3 CMs in one line and no player in the AMC role. 

 

GK

LB CB CB RB

DM

CM - CM - CM 

ST ST

 

And then whatever roles and duties you want but the above is the base shape. 

they play like the benfica team did under Jesus from the bits that ive seen benfica had a wide diamond Javi Garicia been at the base Aimar the number ten and Di Maria and Ramieres been wingers and cardozo and saviola upfront, but i do agree its open to different interpretations  

[latrell]

its how to get the winger roles right what im finding hard and still the big gaps in midfield

[latrell]

Been having a read of this article

Is there a side in Europe at the moment that plays more attacking, exciting football than this Benfica side? With two forwards, three attacking midfielders and two extremely offensive full-backs, the side is packed with creativity and energetic runners, making them extremely difficult to defend against.

The best thing about the side is that it features two of World football’s forgotten talents, in Javier Saviola and Pablo Aimar; two slender, skilful No 10s from River Plate, who never went onto achieve what they promised upon their initial arrival in Europe. Portugal is probably the best league to play in if you’re this sort of player – it’s open, attacking and features a lot of poor defences.

The side essentially plays with a diamond in midfield, although with the carrileros so attacking, and with Javi Garcia sitting very deep in front of the back four in a role similar to the one Pep Guardiola played at Barcelona, the side is perhaps best described as a 4-1-3-2, and in that respect is relatively similar to the great Czech side of Euro 2004. Like that side, the offensive slant of the midfielders is compensated for by the fact that the two carrileros are very energetic, and work hard to get goalside when Benfica are not in possession. Indeed, this is a good example of how to play the diamond shape – Di Maria and Ramires play from inside to out, and are comfortable scrapping in midfield as well as getting to the byline and getting crosses in.

Cardozo plays as a classic prima punta – he likes recieving crosses and he’s a physical presence, whereas Saviola tends to play ‘around’ him, either dropping deep or drifting to the wing. When he does the former, and links up with the midfield, he and Aimar create a double trequartista threat that is extremely difficult to defend against, and effectively becomes a Christmas Tree formation similar to when Milan used two playmakers.

Former River Plate stars Pablo Aimar and Javier Saviola are reunited in this Benfica side

The attacking intent is summed up by the players who play at full-back, as both positions are filled by players who started as wide midfielders. On the right, Maxi Pereira lacks the pace or skill required to be a constant attacking threat, but is more comfortable at full-back than on the right of midfield where he played last season. The opposite side sees more technical quality – the two Portuguese players, Cesar Peixoto and Fabio Coentrao are both listed on most squad lists as midfielders, but fill in well at left-back.

As ever in attacking sides, the holding midfielder is crucial, and Javi Garcia’s first season in Portuguese football has been a huge success. A classic Iberian midfielder, his passing is excellent and his defensive ability owes more to intelligent positioning and reading of the game rather than crunching tackles.

Credit should go to both the manager, Jorge Jesus, for getting the team to play well in such an adventurous shape, as well as Benfica legend Manuel Rui Costa, now Director of Football, and responsible for the transfer policy which brought in such great players.

The one criticism of the side, which may be their downfall in the Europa League, would be the lack of flexibility. They do have a decent squad, but one wonders if two upfront will continue to work away from home. Playing Carlos Martins, another central midfielder, may be a useful tactic – but which of the forwards would you drop? Perhaps Aimar would be the one to make way. Nevertheless, they remain well-suited to the Liga Sagres – interestingly, every player in their squad is either Iberian or South American.

As always with Portuguese sides, there’s a threat of the team being broken up in the next transfer window, with Angel Di Maria looking to leave and Ramires set to be on show at the World Cup. Let’s hope this side wins at least one trophy this season, because they are a great demonstration of how football should be played.

This 4-0 win against Academia was a particular highlight. Superb link-up play for the first goal, a wonderful piece of skill for the second, and the sheer number of players in the box for the third goal is astonishing.

Edited March 11, 2020 by latrell

[EnigMattic1]

1 hour ago, latrell said:

Been having a read of this article

Is there a side in Europe at the moment that plays more attacking, exciting football than this Benfica side? With two forwards, three attacking midfielders and two extremely offensive full-backs, the side is packed with creativity and energetic runners, making them extremely difficult to defend against.

The best thing about the side is that it features two of World football’s forgotten talents, in Javier Saviola and Pablo Aimar; two slender, skilful No 10s from River Plate, who never went onto achieve what they promised upon their initial arrival in Europe. Portugal is probably the best league to play in if you’re this sort of player – it’s open, attacking and features a lot of poor defences.

The side essentially plays with a diamond in midfield, although with the carrileros so attacking, and with Javi Garcia sitting very deep in front of the back four in a role similar to the one Pep Guardiola played at Barcelona, the side is perhaps best described as a 4-1-3-2, and in that respect is relatively similar to the great Czech side of Euro 2004. Like that side, the offensive slant of the midfielders is compensated for by the fact that the two carrileros are very energetic, and work hard to get goalside when Benfica are not in possession. Indeed, this is a good example of how to play the diamond shape – Di Maria and Ramires play from inside to out, and are comfortable scrapping in midfield as well as getting to the byline and getting crosses in.

Cardozo plays as a classic prima punta – he likes recieving crosses and he’s a physical presence, whereas Saviola tends to play ‘around’ him, either dropping deep or drifting to the wing. When he does the former, and links up with the midfield, he and Aimar create a double trequartista threat that is extremely difficult to defend against, and effectively becomes a Christmas Tree formation similar to when Milan used two playmakers.

Former River Plate stars Pablo Aimar and Javier Saviola are reunited in this Benfica side

The attacking intent is summed up by the players who play at full-back, as both positions are filled by players who started as wide midfielders. On the right, Maxi Pereira lacks the pace or skill required to be a constant attacking threat, but is more comfortable at full-back than on the right of midfield where he played last season. The opposite side sees more technical quality – the two Portuguese players, Cesar Peixoto and Fabio Coentrao are both listed on most squad lists as midfielders, but fill in well at left-back.

As ever in attacking sides, the holding midfielder is crucial, and Javi Garcia’s first season in Portuguese football has been a huge success. A classic Iberian midfielder, his passing is excellent and his defensive ability owes more to intelligent positioning and reading of the game rather than crunching tackles.

Credit should go to both the manager, Jorge Jesus, for getting the team to play well in such an adventurous shape, as well as Benfica legend Manuel Rui Costa, now Director of Football, and responsible for the transfer policy which brought in such great players.

The one criticism of the side, which may be their downfall in the Europa League, would be the lack of flexibility. They do have a decent squad, but one wonders if two upfront will continue to work away from home. Playing Carlos Martins, another central midfielder, may be a useful tactic – but which of the forwards would you drop? Perhaps Aimar would be the one to make way. Nevertheless, they remain well-suited to the Liga Sagres – interestingly, every player in their squad is either Iberian or South American.

As always with Portuguese sides, there’s a threat of the team being broken up in the next transfer window, with Angel Di Maria looking to leave and Ramires set to be on show at the World Cup. Let’s hope this side wins at least one trophy this season, because they are a great demonstration of how football should be played.

This 4-0 win against Academia was a particular highlight. Superb link-up play for the first goal, a wonderful piece of skill for the second, and the sheer number of players in the box for the third goal is astonishing.

You got a link to this article? 

[latrell]

9 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said:

You got a link to this article? 

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/02/benfica-the-most-attactive-side-in-europe/

[latrell]

the carrileros role does not work for me it does not represent what Di maria did for the team.

[EnigMattic1]

29 minutes ago, latrell said:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/02/benfica-the-most-attactive-side-in-europe/

Cheers mate.

[latrell]

17 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said:

Cheers mate.

No worries 👍

[Experienced Defender]

4 hours ago, latrell said:

they play like the benfica team did under Jesus from the bits that ive seen benfica had a wide diamond Javi Garicia been at the base Aimar the number ten and Di Maria and Ramieres been wingers

 

4 hours ago, latrell said:

its how to get the winger roles right what im finding hard and still the big gaps in midfield

 

2 hours ago, latrell said:

the carrileros role does not work for me it does not represent what Di maria did for the team

Wait a minute. Are you talking about the wide or narrow diamond? What you described first was the wide 442 diamond. But then you talk about "carrileros", which is a central midfield role, and hence cannot be used in a wide diamond system. 

[Jean0987654321]

3 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

 

 

Wait a minute. Are you talking about the wide or narrow diamond? What you described first was the wide 442 diamond. But then you talk about "carrileros", which is a central midfield role, and hence cannot be used in a wide diamond system. 

He is talking about the narrow diamond. That is the bread and butter in Argentine soccer. JJ played that tactic with Benfica and did well with it

 

As for the Di Maria role, I would like to say that the Mezzela role fits the description of what he did under JJ

[latrell]

That is just the thing what im struggling with is the interpretation of what the Di Maria role and Ramires role where in the benfica team and what the role of Salvio and obando role is in the boca team very similar systems. for instance how would you copy what that benfica team was in regard of there roles to translate into fm  

[latrell]

here is another good read about benfica. https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2013/5/15/4332404/europa-league-final-opposition-scouting-report-benfica-chelsea-analysis-tactics

[latrell]

this was a fantastic game and showed the formation at its devastating best