TheBetterHalf Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Asymmetric 451 Here is a little project that is a simple Plug & play Tactic. Attached you will find 2 Tactics. One called TBH SPLIT 451 MR version and this is the one described in the post. The other one is called "ML" version and is the mirror of the first one. If you use the "Mirrored", then the flow and the roles will be the other way around You dont "switch" between the tactics other than to suit your actuall squad and the settings are exactly the same Updated for 13.2.3 DOWNLOAD LINK, CLICK ME SHOUTS Dont use them. As most of the settings have been tweaked, the shouts will either have no effect or will only effect half of whats intended, meaning that the tactic will be disrupted. THE TACTIC We are playing a counter attack based approach within a 2 formation approach. On the left side, we play a Deep 4231 and on the right side, it’s a Flat 4411/442. This way, I get to use my players where they do the most damage Left side Here, the buildup consists in a Winger that awaits the support of a Smart and aggressive DMC with a supporting Wingback providing width. The AMC provides movement by his moving into channels. Right side. Here, we have a holding MC that plays t-balls into channels down the flanks onto our Winger providing width. The FC is playing as an advanced FC with the support of an AMC that is stretching the defense. The fullback is one that stays back and acts both cover and an easy passing option for the MC and the winger Both sides put together By using this split formation, we give ourselves the opportunity to have many dimension in our build up. We can play a direct ball onto our FC, we can play a possession based approach and drag the opponents on to us by using triangles in midfield. We have the width with our MR and left Wingback ( in the DL position). We have crosses from both left and right and we have people taking runs from both the left, right and the center If the opponents sit deep, the right side is more likely to be able to drag the opponent onto us and if they play aggressive and push up, then the left side can easily retain possession in an advanced position whilst still having cover by the DMC if losing the ball. Naturally, the flow of the game will depend on the quality and preferred moves of your players but regardless of opponent, it gives you the chance to dominate the area of the pitch where you beat them in quality using this multi dimension approach. In short, it’s a good approach if wanting to stretch the opponent sideways and be able to overload every area of the field The Flow 1. Here we have a build up on the left side. Our MC has the ball ansd can either use the left flank or switch the ball to the right where loads and loads of space is found. Also notice the way that we have dragged Arsenals team apart, leaving a big whole in the middle. We decide to switch flank onto our MR Our Winger can now either huge the touchline and cross or try to get inside ( he choses this). As you can see, he has lost of passing options. He can use a pass & move option or run with the ball and put it into channels into our FC Here, he has dribbled forward and puts the ball into channels onto our FC that slots it home into the far corner 2 Here is another buildup and you can see that the formation now looks more like a flat 442. Our DMC has lots of passing options As we use the left flank, our formation is now a 253. Oour AML can either go inside or play a overlap with our Wingback As he goes inside, the formation is now a 235, Just look at the whole in the middle where he will pace the ball into 3 Here is an attack that IS NOT a counter attack. The build up is along the right flank and as you see, the formation is more of an 4132 MATCH PREP I tend to use Defensive positioning when playing counter attack( as in this tactic) but if the opponents have scored many goals from corners, or If I see our best chance from these, I go with Set Pieces ( defensive, attacking) TRAINING It would highly depend on the players but the stats posted in the OP are those that I find important for the roles. Along with those, I use the Standard setup. GETTING MANY CARDS If you see that a player with a yellow card has been playing poorly and getting out of his defensive position, then tell him to be mire careful in the 2nd half. If you see a player un the verge of getting his 2nd yellow, then dont be afraid to sub him, especially if he is " aggressive or frustrated" . As for red cards, always tell them in the team talk that you did not like it and fine him with 1 weeks pay. This is a pretty good way of stopping a floodgate scenario. OPPOSITION INSTRUCTIONS I have NOT used any at all....but.. ...in the past, I have mainly used these, regardless of tactic Single FC without AMC support – Close Down/Always Nervous and Anxious Players – Hard Tackling, Show into weak foot Elegant DLPlaymaker – Tight Mark, Close Down and Weaker Foot PLAYING WITH 10 MEN Here, I sub the AML and bring one a new player/move players to play in the position of the sent off player. I also put the AMCcenter in AMCleft and push up the FBleft into the WBleft so the formation looks like the one in the screenshot below PLAYERS Below, you see the description of the players along with some screens of the recommended stats. Whilst these players are not set exactly to these roles, its the closest in stats I can come when loading up screenshots. So look in the description to see what kind of player to use and look in the screens for important stats The Balanced and determined squad You don't need quality players to use this approach. What you do need is a balanced squad. Enough players that have the stamina to use this high press system, players with team and work rate, some quick players, enough " tall" players so you avoid conceding too many set pieces etc etc. All in all, a TEAM, not just a group of players. As in all Teams, you need players that want to win, players that are up for the challenge and can pull themselves together when the going gets tough and players that can handle the pressure of suddenly being a favorite. If you combine all this, then you can win the Champions League with players of a much lesser "quality" and " rating" then Barca etc. Naturally you can still get good results without these traits but to win the CL, its crucial If anyone has some players that have been working superbly in any of these "roles", please tell me and I will make a list in the Opening post under every position FORWARD In his settings, he will act like a Advanced FC. If he likes to move into channels and play one-twos, then the latter will bring one more dimension to the flow. When playing with underdogs and are more likely to launch quick counter attacks, an quick goalscorer is best used but when playing middle teams and top teams, then a more complete player that likes to link up with play is better used.. PPMs: Comes deep to get ball, Plays one-twos, Moves into channels AMC This is your second striker and he should be up there with the FC in box when seing fit. Here, we are talking about a AMC/FC, why not a retrained supporting striker. Its important that he does not like to come deep and dictate the tempo etc. Best used is a player like Gerrard, Lampard in their glory days. A more complete player that is ironed willed and really wants to win. If having a player like Aguero, Rooney, Tevez, they are perfect IF YOU UNLEARN their comes deep to get the ball ppm PPMS: Try killer balls, gets forward, arrives late in area, runs through center with the ball AML You can use both inside Forwards and wingers out wide. The main tning here is that his ppms actually matches his preferences so if using an inside forward that likes to cut inside, the make sure he has good agility, dribbling, acceleration and finishing. If he likes to run down the left flank, then make sure he has good crossing PPMs Inside Forward: Cut inside, Gets into the area, places shots Winger with good dribbling: Runs down the left flank, hugs touchline Winger with lesser dribbling but with pace and acceleration: Knock ball past opponent MR Here we have the classic English Winger. He hugs the touchline and makes crosses as qwell as getting into the area when the ball is on the other flank. As we play a rather fluid approach, a player like Seb Larsson, Milner etc is better used than Nasri. In short, a B2B winger PPMS: Runs with ball down flank, knock ball past opponent, arrives late inside the area. MC This player acts like a Deep Lying Playmaker on support and the more complete he is in his role, being able to use his flair and creativity as well as breaking up attacks, the better it is. PPMS: Try killer balls, comes deep to get the ball, dictates tempo DMC As written earlier, he is a more complete DMC/MC, like a box2box starting from the DMC position. He needs to be able to cover large areas running up and down the field so stamina is a must. Otherwise, you will see him having 60 % condition before the game is at end PPMS: Nothing special. Just make sure he IS NOT acting like a DPL, NOT having dwells on ball, dictates tempo etc. DR This player is set to be really defensive so he should NOT have attacking PPMs. As he holds up the ball, he needs good decision and concentration PPMS: Nothing special DL The more attacking fullback. He needs to be able to beat his man and make a cross, as well as get back into position after losing out in possession PPMS: Runs down the left flank, switches flank, knocks ball past opponent DC Here, its all about getting as good defenders as possible PPMS: Nothing special RESULTS Tottenham 2013/14: By Jim-Beam Destroying the opponents Juventus: By Helmut East Grinstead in the Sussex County League (level 9): By RedBlueEagle Swansea 2012/13: By bellynufc Winner EPL Newcastle 2012/13: By La Fey Winners EPL Liverpool 2012/13: By 3jNick Winner EPL Liverpool 2012/13: By MarinmarinOv Winner EPL Bayer M 2026/27: By Raid On Destroying the world Swansea 2012/2013 Rayo: By Irabbot Everton 2012-2014: By komplexvn Winner EPL Arsenal 2012/13: By Jamie P Winner EPL Amiens: By Hck80 Promoted San Marino: By Marious Promoted Napoli 2012-14: By 3jnick 2x Serie A + CL Winners Bordeaux 2012/13: By Intensa Winners very good tactic , i won uefa cup without transfer first season..My team is Trabzonspor..League i finished 5. F.A.Q Is this suited for Poor teams or heavy underdogs ?- Probably not as its pretty demanding. Mind you, I did well with Wigan I am playing FMC, can I use this ?- No, as its in the Classic mode What Match prep ar you using ?- It depends on my players and the opponent I am facing BUT i do like to use Defensive positioning. Are you using any playmaker or Target men ?- No, I am not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bububaggins Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Can you upload the link please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Can you upload the link please the post is under construction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Link up . Will continue to update the OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopToffee Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Looks like exactly the sort of tactic I've been looking to try to put together. Shame about it not being in the TC style, but understandable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Have you tried a mirror of this formation? My squad my could possibly suit it the other way round Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akjonnoy Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 when will this be finished? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kung Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Have you tried a mirror of this formation? My squad my could possibly suit it the other way round ahould work if u mirror it urself, saw formation and it suited my boro team,im on classic altho so i did it in tc, using my interpetion.. counter, very fluid zonal short passing, rest on default, roles dm s dlp d dw a am s if a and adv f a, was winless 3-4 games in, only tried one game,and seriously ripped bolton apart, winning easy 3-0 60 - 40 possession Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 when will this be finished? The first post IS finished. I have just forgot to remove the " under construction" It Will be updated though with more screens, pkms etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 ahould work if u mirror it urself, saw formation and it suited my boro team,im on classic altho so i did it in tc, using my interpetion.. counter, very fluid zonal short passing, rest on default, roles dm s dlp d dw a am s if a and adv f a, was winless 3-4 games in, only tried one game,and seriously ripped bolton apart, winning easy 3-0 60 - 40 possession Haha KK, have you gone 18 again, using txt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Have you tried a mirror of this formation? My squad my could possibly suit it the other way round Yes I have. Just remember to do it properly, mirroring ALL players, even the DCs This version using an AML and à MR is the most Common, hence I used this one in the upload. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markybod88 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 HI just a quick one i have tried this tactic with arsenal and leicester city played 10 games so far arsenal won 9 draw 1 but leicester won 1 draw 7 lost 2 so it seems to be working with a bigger club so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 HI just a quick one i have tried this tactic with arsenal and leicester city played 10 games so far arsenal won 9 draw 1 but leicester won 1 draw 7 lost 2 so it seems to be working witha bigger club so far Well, its the players rather than the team. As the Tactic is A specific approach, you need to have players suitable for it. Perhaps Leicester dont ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMFC Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 3 games with this tactic with Lyon. 3 times 0-0. No CCC but a lot of shots. I'm gonna try it 5 or 6 games more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 Fun game from the user Wilmot123 ( FMBase) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kung Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Haha KK, have you gone 18 again, using txt i Will Always be 18 :-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtis07 Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 This tactic is amazing guys trust me was on 12 game unbeaten run till just played arsenal, was 2-0 till had a player sent off and another go off injured and still managed a draw. Next match was straight back on winning trail:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 This tactic is amazing guys trust me was on 12 game unbeaten run till just played arsenal, was 2-0 till had a player sent off and another go off injured and still managed a draw. Next match was straight back on winning trail:D Thats great- What team are you playing with ? Would you care to post a screen of your fixrures/results ? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolborQ Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 very good tactic , i won uefa cup without transfer first season..My team is Trabzonspor..League i finished 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 very good tactic , i won uefa cup without transfer first season..My team is Trabzonspor..League i finished 5. Great results. What was your media prediction ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolborQ Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 the lowest prediction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share Posted January 12, 2013 the lowest prediction Thats great ! I am currently playing with Southampton. - Default squad - 9 wins out of 9 matches - Have had a really , really easy fixture list so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmcosta Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Im very tempted to try this on my benfica save, just some question's, any tips regarding pre-season and training roles? what about default focus for match preparation and general training? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Im very tempted to try this on my benfica save, just some question's, any tips regarding pre-season and training roles? what about default focus for match preparation and general training? Match Prep: I tend to use Defensive positioning when playing counter attack but if the opponents have scored many goals from corners, or If I see our best chance from these, I go with Set Pieces ( defensive, attacking) Training: It would highly depend on the players but the stats posted in the OP are those that I find important for the roles. Along with those, I use the Standard setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 SWANSEA 2012/13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreet Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 ****** tactic.Can't beat even Cagliari with Juve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsa Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm getting some realy good results with this. Unreal accually. Allmost too good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'm getting some realy good results with this. Unreal accually. Allmost too good. Great ! What team are you using ? ****** tactic.Can't beat even Cagliari with Juve. Sorry to hear that. In my save, I have had really good results with Juve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_barnes Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Great ! What team are you using ?Sorry to hear that. In my save, I have had really good results with Juve. I am using this as my back up tactic and smashed Man City 4-0 with it and I am Derby in season 3. You should beat Cagliari with Juve 9 times out of 10 even with a default 4-4-2 tactic. Are you playing a striker in goal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreet Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Great ! What team are you using ?Sorry to hear that. In my save, I have had really good results with Juve. Well i don't know about you but i did sixteen restarts on two games, and didn't win any of it.The games are with Siena(20) and Genoa(19) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreet Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I can only win on holiday.I don't know what 4-3-3 is Cruiff using but it tears everything like hot knife through butter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthmael Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 This is probably the best tactic that I have downloaded so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsa Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Great ! What team are you using ? Liverpool season four. Running a tight budget and developing youngsters. Currently on a 16 game win streak in the PL. Very unexpected, becuse I sold off many players during the summer. Scoring plenty of goals also! Should maybe upload a pic (if i knew how) to make this more credible... Cheers mate, great tac! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irabbot Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 First Season With Rayo Match prep : Def.Pos Default Squad : No Tranfer In Liga BBVA http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii251/bosulisa/league_zps7b7a5036.png[/img]"] Fixtures http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii251/bosulisa/fixture_zps296b023f.png[/img]"] Best Tactic Joy is Really back XD Thank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Liverpool season four. Running a tight budget and developing youngsters. Currently on a 16 game win streak in the PL. Very unexpected, becuse I sold off many players during the summer. Scoring plenty of goals also! Should maybe upload a pic (if i knew how) to make this more credible...Cheers mate, great tac! Just upload it here http://imageshack.us/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irabbot Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 My Striker 28 apps : 22 Goals http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii251/bosulisa/bang_zpsb27a3f9b.png[/img]"] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsa Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Allright: Here's the pic. http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9508/pool1516.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Allright: Here's the pic. Wow, thats some serious trashing !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elitealba Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 TheBetterHalf The tactic is in RAR, is it possible to have this change to TAC? The RAR file won't save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 TheBetterHalfThe tactic is in RAR, is it possible to have this change to TAC? The RAR file won't save. The extension "rar" is a compressed file. Just save it and open it with "winrar" and extract the file into your FMfolder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoN2k12 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 download links for the FMC version: TBH FMC asymmetric 451.tac TBH FMC asymmetric 451 - MIRROR VERSION.tac edit: reupped with playermaker set to none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elitealba Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Cheers RadoNk12.....all sorted:thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 download links for the FMC version:TBH FMC asymmetric 451.tac TBH FMC asymmetric 451 - MIRROR VERSION.tac edit: reupped with playermaker set to none. Cheers. Links edited into the OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 My Striker28 apps : 22 Goals http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii251/bosulisa/bang_zpsb27a3f9b.png[/img]"] Really good goalratio as he is not exactly a starplayer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreet Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Sorry but your tactic is crap!Just got thrashed by Atalanta.First shot on target in the 43 minute.The squad is the original Juve's plus Nani and Llorente.The morale is pretty high too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibro46 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 4 games played so far 3 wins 1 draw but i have problems with cards (8 yellows and 2 red cards so far) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Sorry but your tactic is crap!Just got thrashed by Atalanta.First shot on target in the 43 minute.The squad is the original Juve's plus Nani and Llorente.The morale is pretty high too. Just as sorry I am that you feel that way, just as glaad am I that most others have great results with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreet Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Just as sorry I am that you feel that way, just as glaad am I that most others have great results with it. Well except if my game is broken, then i don't see another reason for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Well except if my game is broken, then i don't see another reason for it. Well, not all tactics will suit all players and managers. Will start a new season with Juve to see if my previous results can be repeated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreet Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Well, not all tactics will suit all players and managers. Will start a new season with Juve to see if my previous results can be repeated. http://www.gamefront.com/files/22849441/Juventus+v+Atalanta.rar Here is the Atalanta game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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