CarlosEsDios Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'm thinking of trying this tactic with York in league 2. What do you think knap? Worth trying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 I test all tactics with clubs like Margate, so LL is not a problem. Black Night is now probably better all round 451 but depends on how you want to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 424 tested with West Ham https://www.mediafire.com/?vzq3fd6ng2jha3m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xrandom Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 I'm thinking of trying this tactic with York in league 2. What do you think knap? Worth trying? I used 4-5-1 to get an English hero achievement, I would say that this tactic works even better in lower leagues. Hey, knap, I wanted to ask which preffered moves are bad for IF on the left? And which ones are worth learning, same for winger on the right. Also, should IF be right footed? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 3, 2016 Author Share Posted May 3, 2016 Most of the spurs wingers can do both. As a general rule opposite foot and cut inside for IFs and wingers with cut inside PI - Normal for wingers with run wide PI. LL I just use best players available and upfront pace works even when tactic has a F9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praha06 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 This tactic is the dugs nuts. Tight at the back and devastating going forward. Saved not just my season but my patience with the whole game! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayleshort34 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I see you suggest black night as the best all round tactic Knap. Just a couple of questions regarding it. Ive read through the whole post and because theres a couple of tactics talked about im confused as to what information applies to which - If i go down to 10 men who is the best position to substitute? - Is there any mentality changes you recommend depending on level of team you are or if youre home, away etc? - I am not one usually to use individual opposite instructions do i need them on black night? I had a little go with Birmingham with this tactic and have made a good positive beginning with it. But im also thinking of starting something in actually LLM. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 I also test with teams like Margate - last time out I changed to a new tactic every 4 or 5 games and won league with 99 pts. I never change anything on tactic and I don't use a SUS tactic, but then I am mostly testing. Down to 10 - With 442s take off fwd and move other to middle as either F9 or DLF S. 451 take off 1 of midfield players. If needing a goal then probably DM, if not then probably BMW - depends on how players are performing/cards/subs available. Full SUS - FB/WBs defend, change to contain, less risks and time waste. The tactics are tested with OIs and with 451s probably give best overall result and only need to be set up once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Well a second season with your Flat 442 Dazed and Confused and the West Ham Tactic in Post 37 and we retained the Premier League - Just -.... The centre backs on cover work really well. Thought I had blown it with a handful of draws late on and with Spurs winning their penultimate game I was 2-0 down at The Emirates at half time. Knew Spurs would beat Reading in the last game so had to go for it. Changed to the 433 and swapped between attacking and overload and miraculously Embolo came up with a second half hat trick top give me a nervy 3-2 win. So going in to the last game we were level on points with Spurs. They trounced Redding 4-0 and we managed a 3-0 home win against Liverpool. Bit too close for comfort. Need to buy a top class F9 really because my strikers tend to have runs of goals then a dry spell. Valencia didn't get a goal for weeks then gets a hat trick last game! Great tactics Knap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 2nd season is always difficult but you are knocking on the door of 90 pt season. I find most strikers have dry spells but pace works upfront and even Walcott had a cracking season as a DLF (S). Hopefully you can push on with a 100 pt season. Have you tried the short passing Asymmetric tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 2nd season is always difficult but you are knocking on the door of 90 pt season. I find most strikers have dry spells but pace works upfront and even Walcott had a cracking season as a DLF (S).Hopefully you can push on with a 100 pt season. Have you tried the short passing Asymmetric tactic? Which thread is that one in? I wonder sometimes if some of the strikers benefit a solo role up top. Embolo in the 442 struggles a bit but then goes and bangs in three in the 433. Was wondering on another role in the 442, possibly a CF A or a AF A something to stretch the back line, although the F9 and DLF create a lot for the two WM's. Have you had any luck with creating a 4231? With Payet, Lanzini and Zivkovic I just can't play the three in a 442. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 Asymmetric Ramble On Short Passing Stargazing Winger4231 The Crunge 442 with AF Also testing 4231 DM tactic The 442 F9s are probably best set up for FM 16, but I like the Asymmetric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I am just thinking Knap re a 4231. The tactic I am using (and loving) is the Flat 442 Dazed and Confused. The key players in the tactic are the WML and WMR. If they play well everything clicks. I guess you can make it a 4231/4411 of sorts by keeping the 4 in midfield as they are which is quite solid but moving a striker back to the AMC slot which as I say could make it a 4231/4411 hybrid. Obviously as you know the midfield and forwards line up like : -----------------------F9 S--------DLF S---------------------- -------------------------------?---------------------------------- WM A------------BWM S-------------CM S-------------WM A So which forward would you move back into the AM slot to make a 4231/4411 hybrid and what roles would you give the striker and AMC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Heartbreaker is a pure 4411 which uses AM(A) and F9, but I tend to find 4411 too defensive so use the Asymmetric. Heartbreaker probably also needs an update. The Asymmetric Should be close to 100pts with a top 4 team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Hi Knap. Just an update to say have enjoyed this years version and its all down to your Dazed and Confused 442. In one save finished Runners Up and FA Cup Winners first season and the following season came runners up again and won both domestic cups. Sakho and Valencia in the forward slots scored 40 and 30 overall goals first season and Valencia continued the trend following year. Unfortunately I had a PC crash at that point and lost the save so have started again. In my new save I found that I really needed something against certain formations against the really big teams and stumbled across something. I moved the DLF S back into the DM slot and made the position a BWM D. Changed the F9 to a DF S although I tend to change the forward role depending on the type of striker (Sakho DF S, Embolo F9) so it basically became a 4141. The only PI I put on the BWM was shoot less but left all your PI's for other positions as they are. Kouyate, who have never got much out of in a 442 has become a monster at BWM in the DM slot and the team has had some fantastic results beating Arsenal 4-0, Chelsea 4-1 and Spurs 3-2. I now swap it with the 442 and it's giving me a great new save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisandroo Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 That training must be used?, Could put a picture of it please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 I usually leave training to Assistant. If you need a SUS tactic try the Salford 442 waste time tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisandroo Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Training and instructions we let the wizard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Hey Knap. What do you do if you need a goal? My team is great when leading but I have trouble coming from behind at times. Attacking and overload seem pretty useless in FM16 or at least for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 In theory the tactics are for top 6 sides so have to work against defensive systems. I tend to try subs or switching players around to change a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Thanks Knap. Switching between your Dazed and Confused and the 4141 I tried by dragging a striker back into BWM D worked a treat second season. League Champions, League Cup Winners and Champions League Winners. Only real signing in the starting 11 was Romero although I did make Jenkinson and Moses permanent. Love the tactic, cheers again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 Is that original squad with Reece Oxford? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Yep although I haven't played Oxford as yet so I loan him out. Tempted to try him in my third season. The Team that beat Juventus in the Champions League Final in the second season was : Rulli, Jenkinson, Cresswell, Reid, Ogbonna, Romero, Obiang, Noble, Moses, Payet, Sakho Subs : Adrian, Mammana, Embolo, Kouyate, Kolorov, Song, Valencia Almost as staggering as winning the Final was getting 10 bookings. Must be a record!! Other squad members were - Randolph, Tomkins, Lanzini (injured for the CL Final), Collins, Byram, Tielimans, Antonio Started season three only bringing in Schneiderlin and Kolarov on loan. Shifting Tomkins and Kouyate, Plenty of money to spend but can't really see who I would replace as all have done well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 I often get fined for cards but overall the aggressive tactics tends to win games. Having faith in the original squad is IMO more satisfying than hoovering up all the talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Absolutely agree. I don't mind players like Embolo and Tielemans because they were young and relatively cheap but I am not paying 40 million for Bacca for example. I could have got John Stones for 25 million but Reid and Ogbonna have been fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazz2509 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Thread has got very confusing Just a few of questions before I start a new lower league game: Which 451 tactic should I being using? Which mentality should I use for home and away? Which OIs do I use, if any? Many thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 I've had this in wings but not used. Just tested with Margate and looks solid so worth a try. I do not change mentality and tested without ois. There is a SUS tactic with the Salford 442. FM16.3RAMBLEON451P186P97F110A35C_0F2D617D-1C84-4A41-AAC3-3006F1D17540.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 Formation for Margate 451 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazz2509 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Thanks knap...i'll give it a go tonight along with Salford 442 SUS at the end of games when i'm leading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 On 20/09/2016 at 19:04, Sussex Hammer said: Thanks Knap. Switching between your Dazed and Confused and the 4141 I tried by dragging a striker back into BWM D worked a treat second season. League Champions, League Cup Winners and Champions League Winners. Only real signing in the starting 11 was Romero although I did make Jenkinson and Moses permanent. Love the tactic, cheers again. Well I started again with the above switching between Dazed and Confused and the 4141 where I literally just dragged the DLF S back to the DM slot as a BWM D and won Premier League and FA Cup first season and won both again second season along with a narrow defeat in the Champions League Semi Final. Think I'll just carry on with this save until maybe when FMT17 is released although might just stick with 16 for now. Just hoping these tactics will work in 17. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 The beta tends to be in easy mode and the FM16 tactics are working. However, I usually start a new FM with a blank canvas for tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Just setting up a Dazed type 442 and enjoyed the last result. I have a 4411 and 4231 tactics atm but not yet tried 4141 or 451 but next on my list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 Changed to a flat 451 tactic for next schedule of games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 Based on Dazed I used the following formations (about 10 games with each formation) with MU 442 Flat 451 451 4222 442 counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Baggio Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Any links knap? Didn't really bother with FM16, so not sure what to download Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Looking great already Knap, good to see you around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Love to see a Dazed and Confused for FM17 Knap. BTW any idea why we can't just transfer FM16 tactics over because I can't see any difference in either player or team instructions from last year so assumed a straight transfer over would be possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 The file size and ext are not the same so I assume an underlying change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Hi Knap. Am swapping over instructions from FM16 to 17 with your dazed and confused 442 and never noticed it before but the wide midfielders have exactly the same instructions except the WMA on the right has "mark tighter" but the left sided WM doesn't. Likewise with the Wing Backs, the wing back on the left has "sit narrower" ticked whereas the one on the right doesn't. Was this deliberate? I only ask because when using it I always just thought the wing backs were symmetrical on instructions as were the wide midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 7 hours ago, Sussex Hammer said: Love to see a Dazed and Confused for FM17 Knap. BTW any idea why we can't just transfer FM16 tactics over because I can't see any difference in either player or team instructions from last year so assumed a straight transfer over would be possible. Me too, would love to see the 442 / 451 / Flat 451 variants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 I try to set them up as symmetrical. Waiting for full game to retest, but added a 4132 narrow diamond as a possible tactic formation, and I will be trying a wide diamond today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMartello Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, knap said: I try to set them up as symmetrical. Waiting for full game to retest, but added a 4132 narrow diamond as a possible tactic formation, and I will be trying a wide diamond today. Don't you have anything for us to try out? I used your FM16 tactics a lot last year and they were great. Really looking forward to get some good results again as I fail to do so at this moment (and I'm sure I'm not the only one :D) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 I' m sure the full game will be more difficult, so all we require retesting.. Did you try the 4231 I uploaded? What did you use last year? What formations roles duties do you prefer? Most of my tactics have only been tested so far for about 10 games. The only tactic that I've used as PnP is a 4231 with Spurs. I can PM your preferred tactic to try out as a beta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 A wide diamond also works with MU, so anything goes (for the Beta). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 Sussex FM16 tactics can now be loaded into FM17, would probably still require tweaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 442 tweaked so far will try to get a few more games in tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 On 5/2/2016 at 16:14, knap said: How did you find DCs on cover? Looks like this so changed a few positions https://www.mediafire.com/?vzq3fd6ng2jha3m I cannot wait to try this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbie2100 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 6 hours ago, knap said: 442 tweaked so far will try to get a few more games in tonight. Save my weekend and post the tactic :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 They are still on cover but not tried a standard 451. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 Just need to get to Arsenal away game as most difficult fixture. Still won at MC but only 1-0 not 8-4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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