Pretended Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 O' naive, thou shall be wise as you approach Learn From Player. There be 3 choices and you shall never know what one could mean over the other. Or do you know already what the mysterious three mean ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfgrigg Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 From memory, in FM2010 there is little difference between the different options. I have heard it suggested though that the first option, 'ideal role model', is best used when you want to link a young player with a key member of your squad. The thinking behind this is that in choosing this option you are reinforcing your key player's importance to your team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CElliott Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Questions are never dangerous, only the answers.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 1 Ideal role: This should be reserved for players that have both PPMs and character traits that you want to pass on. The determination, work rate and influence of the tutor should always be higher then the follower’s. 2 Mental approach: A good way if you want to influence the character of the youngster. Even tutors without any PPMs, but high determination and professional character are very well suited. If you have highly-talented youngsters with low determination or ambition, you can assign them to several tutors in a row to completely change their personality. 3 Learn from: This should be used if the follower already has a very good character or even better one then his tutor and you just want him to learn his PPMs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebedee77 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Thanks for confirming that wwfan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t77 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 When we use the 3rd option, 'learn from' does the youngster only pick up PPMs or does it include character influence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 1 Ideal role: This should be reserved for players that have both PPMs and character traits that you want to pass on. The determination, work rate and influence of the tutor should always be higher then the follower’s.2 Mental approach: A good way if you want to influence the character of the youngster. Even tutors without any PPMs, but high determination and professional character are very well suited. If you have highly-talented youngsters with low determination or ambition, you can assign them to several tutors in a row to completely change their personality. 3 Learn from: This should be used if the follower already has a very good character or even better one then his tutor and you just want him to learn his PPMs. wwfan - something I've never got to grips with: you refer to DET, AMB and PROF as traits that are improved with tutoring. Let's say the potential tutee is already strong in those attributes, are the OTHER personality and any mental attributes improved through tutoring? Or is tutoring limited to affecting just 3 attributes, PPMs and favourites? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CElliott Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 wwfan - something I've never got to grips with: you refer to DET, AMB and PROF as traits that are improved with tutoring. Let's say the potential tutee is already strong in those attributes, are the OTHER personality and any mental attributes improved through tutoring? Or is tutoring limited to affecting just 3 attributes, PPMs and favourites? I had a youth player change to Fairly Loyal after tutoring (I think he was balanced or unambitious before) so I would assume loyalty can be passed on too? Not sure whether it was a smart thing to do though as most of my team were Fairly Determined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeable Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 They all seem to do the same thing. Regarding tutoring. The short answer is that they all three options have the same outcome like Veg has said. The difference between the three options is now main the tutor will react to the request. For example, if you use the middle option with a tutor who sees themselves as a key player then they might react badly as you are undermining his role (as the tutor thinks he'll be that players ideal role model). Hope this clears it up. http://community.sigames.com/showpost.php?p=4412108&postcount=218 (Link to thread)http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=34212&page=3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 So I am to take it that you cannot tutor a player without him potentially learning some PPMs? If I have a player with the right kind of personality, but with PPMs that I don't want my youngster to learn, is it better to avoid pairing them? Thanks for any advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Well...first of all, there's is no guarantee that he'll pick up the PPM. Secondly, you can always ask him to unlearn the PPM later. Having said that, there is quite a bit of a problem sometimes when asking players to unlearn certain PPMs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardeye Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Having said that, there is quite a bit of a problem sometimes when asking players to unlearn certain PPMs. true story. my young striker is now more professional but regularly launches shots into row Z and refuses to stop "shooting with power". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Unlearning a PPM takes up - what is it - 20% (?) of the training allocation. Really not something you want to waste energy over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 So I am to take it that you cannot tutor a player without him potentially learning some PPMs? If I have a player with the right kind of personality, but with PPMs that I don't want my youngster to learn, is it better to avoid pairing them? Thanks for any advice. I believe option 2 (Mental approach) achieves that. I haven't looked at this in any great detail. I just know the basics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I believe option 2 (Mental approach) achieves that. I haven't looked at this in any great detail. I just know the basics. I have a 17 yr old LB who i want to tutor and i feel i have just the right player for it but for some reason it doesn't give me the option to have him tutored. Why is this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 How old is the other player and what position does he play? What are the relative report stars on each player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 How old is the other player and what position does he play? What are the relative report stars on each player? Well the youngster and the player are both LB's and the tutor is 26. They both have report stars of 2 and a half. The point is i can't get the youngster tutored by anybody!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
furiousuk Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 If he is already a senior player then he can't be tutored. An annoying anomaly I'll agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 But the point is, he is 17 years old and I'm trying to get him tutored by the 26 yr old!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 What wwfan is saying, is that you need to give him 'backup' or lower status. He can still play in the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Or that the 26 year old isn't that much better than the kid that he can tutor him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron.e Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I understand what you are saying in a way. But what's so frustrating is, I can get other younger players in different positions tutored but not him. Maybe his hidden stats are already good enough for a 17 year old!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardeye Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I understand what you are saying in a way. But what's so frustrating is, I can get other younger players in different positions tutored but not him. Maybe his hidden stats are already good enough for a 17 year old!! have a look at this thread ron- i had a similar problem. People suggest things like player reputation are taken into account. Anyway after exactly a year i was able to tutor him once- i have no idea why i couldnt at first. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=174438&highlight=tutor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchaldinho Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I believe option 2 (Mental approach) achieves that. I haven't looked at this in any great detail. I just know the basics. I used to think that but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems that all three options do the same thing. I had this confirmed recently when I tried to use option 2 to train a player who I didn't want to pick up PPMs but he did anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veg Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I believe option 2 (Mental approach) achieves that. I haven't looked at this in any great detail. I just know the basics. That is not true, as quoted eralier in this thread the three options does exactly the same, as John Schofield from SI said in the FAQ at the good players and team guide forum: Regarding tutoring. The short answer is that they all three options have the same outcome like Veg has said.The difference between the three options is now main the tutor will react to the request. For example, if you use the middle option with a tutor who sees themselves as a key player then they might react badly as you are undermining his role (as the tutor thinks he'll be that players ideal role model). Hope this clears it up. No matter what option you choose the player can end up picking up PPM's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwfan Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Interesting. As I said, I didn't know and was quoting somebody's guide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w00t77 Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 The 2nd option doesn't say mental approach anyway...It says, 'xxx could learn xxx's approach to the game' It does not mention anything about mental approach.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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