dannyboy24 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 Don't worry, this isn't another "o.m.g, how come I can pick 7 subs" thread. I was just curious to know, what people found the main benefit of playing with 7 subs in the premiership was? And if these where in line with the reasons the premier league gave for introducing the rule change from next year. The two biggest reasons given where. 1) More tactical options on the bench. 2) Managers more likely to give spot on bench to developing youngsters, to give them a fighting chance at playing in the epl sooner etc etc. So does this line up with people's experiences in the game so far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy24 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Don't worry, this isn't another "o.m.g, how come I can pick 7 subs" thread. I was just curious to know, what people found the main benefit of playing with 7 subs in the premiership was? And if these where in line with the reasons the premier league gave for introducing the rule change from next year. The two biggest reasons given where. 1) More tactical options on the bench. 2) Managers more likely to give spot on bench to developing youngsters, to give them a fighting chance at playing in the epl sooner etc etc. So does this line up with people's experiences in the game so far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 i love it i've been waiting for this for ages. other leagues use 7, europe uses 7, prem used 5. angry! i like to be able to dress a youngster and give him a run out of the match is in hand, or at least be able to fill possible positions in case of injuries during the match. i hated getting my right back hurt when i only had a sub for a left back or central def. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveRH Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dannyboy24: 1) More tactical options on the bench. 2) Managers more likely to give spot on bench to developing youngsters, to give them a fighting chance at playing in the epl sooner etc etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I agree when I am using them. Not sure that the AI is considering the same though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 It works better in Scotland where it is combined with a rule about minimum number of U21 players in the match squad. Without that rule it is just a "big club" thing for clubs who have big squads where they have to leave out some important players every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy24 Posted February 19, 2008 Author Share Posted February 19, 2008 glamdring, I think possibly that rule about minimum number of u21's may follow in the future, but that many hope enough youngsters will be included on the bench or indeed in the team without such a rule actually in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard boy Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Fantastic that you can have 7, i`ve been saying there should 7 for years, now if they could only it make where you can bring 4 or 5 players on, that would be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by glamdring: It works better in Scotland where it is combined with a rule about minimum number of U21 players in the match squad. Without that rule it is just a "big club" thing for clubs who have big squads where they have to leave out some important players every time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> i'd like to see a minimum number of english players, or at least min UK players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wizard boy: Fantastic that you can have 7, i`ve been saying there should 7 for years, now if they could only it make where you can bring 4 or 5 players on, that would be great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> 3 subs is worldwide, and shouldn't be changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Icelandic Upper League cup allows you to make 5 substitutions I think, but it is basically just a pre-season "friendly" tournament Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbath Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Bring back the one sub on the bench rule, tough luck if your Gk gets injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0x0r Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jase19: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by glamdring: It works better in Scotland where it is combined with a rule about minimum number of U21 players in the match squad. Without that rule it is just a "big club" thing for clubs who have big squads where they have to leave out some important players every time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> i'd like to see a minimum number of english players, or at least min UK players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> It won't happen for legal reasons. BEst you might get is "Minimum number of country trained", in which case Cesc would count, Hargreaves wouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnG85 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Pretty sure Hargreaves would get round it though, given that he actually has a UK passport and plays for England... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maviarab Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It won't happen for legal reasons </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Always makes me curious that...exactly what legal reasons would we be talking about? Most other european leagues operate this kind of system, and are all part of the EU as is the UK (currently), so what legal reasons and human rights would they exactly use to stop it when other countries in the Eu operate said systems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turn it upto 11 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 seeing as the suits can stop us flying our flag , celebrating christmas and trying to keep ourjobs for the british im sure they could find a way to say trying to save the state of the english game is racist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreaded Walrus Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maviarab: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It won't happen for legal reasons </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Always makes me curious that...exactly what legal reasons would we be talking about? Most other european leagues operate this kind of system, and are all part of the EU as is the UK (currently), so what legal reasons and human rights would they exactly use to stop it when other countries in the Eu operate said systems? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Possibly discrimination based on nationality. Equal opportunities and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backpackant Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I can put at least one youngster on the bench now, not just tactical replacements. If I'm 3 goals up with 20 mins to go it's great experience for them - strikers and wingers, mainly. Defenders are a bit dodgy when young. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ictoabu Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 I actually bother having a goalkeeper on the bench now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dreaded Walrus: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maviarab: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It won't happen for legal reasons </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Always makes me curious that...exactly what legal reasons would we be talking about? Most other european leagues operate this kind of system, and are all part of the EU as is the UK (currently), so what legal reasons and human rights would they exactly use to stop it when other countries in the Eu operate said systems? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Possibly discrimination based on nationality. Equal opportunities and all that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> There would be lawsuits from teams like arsenal who have spend loads upon loads of money buying foreign players that they can no longer dress to make room for other players. it would have to be gradual. at least 4 english players dressed in the first year, then 6, etc. doesn't sound like much, but for the big clubs, english players there aren't many of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyIOCS Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maviarab: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It won't happen for legal reasons </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Always makes me curious that...exactly what legal reasons would we be talking about? Most other european leagues operate this kind of system, and are all part of the EU as is the UK (currently), so what legal reasons and human rights would they exactly use to stop it when other countries in the Eu operate said systems? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't think any of the leagues with a limit on foreigners are part of the EU (Ukraine and Turkey come to mind). Some EU countries have a limit on Non-EU players, but none to my knowledge have any restrictions on foreigners. I was thinking about this myself the other day, but I haven't actually looked into it properly, so I could well be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macyst Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Not sure how this thread moved into legal issue and racial discrimination, but as far as it's concerned EU players can still play anywhere within EU as it's EU's laws for labor. And this laws will probably stand above FIFA rule, if it will ever be implemented. While football is going global, it's also unfair to prevent great players to play in the best leagues. The only way to protect domestic football is probably preventing clubs from signing under 18 players. Chelsea should't be allowed to sign 15 years old star from Reggina. That way Chelsea (for example) need to develop domestic players instead of looking elsewhere for potential stars but within England. U18 is actually young and FIFA might be able to compromise that with EU and clubs can still sign foreign players older than 18. I'm not sure where I'm going now, this is going off FM discussion Having 7 subs would be beneficial for everyone, more options are just simply better. What logic do you need to explain that?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Macyst: Having 7 subs would be beneficial for everyone, more options are just simply better. What logic do you need to explain that?! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> That's how i see it, i'm using a small club and love 7 subs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Does saying you have to have 2 English players in the squad of 18 count as a restriction on foreigners? It doesn't restrict how many you can have in your squad and none of them individually are restricted from playing, etc, etc. All it is saying is you can have exactly the same number of foreigners as you could before, but now you can also have two extra English players...although that would only be technically the case if the rule was brought in together with the extra substitutes rule. If you bring it in after then it is a restriction I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglealan64 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by glamdring: Does saying you have to have 2 English players in the squad of 18 count as a restriction on foreigners? It doesn't restrict how many you can have in your squad </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Of course it does - it means you can only have 16 foreigners obviously!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metropolistechnique Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by turn it upto 11: seeing as the suits can stop us flying our flag , celebrating christmas and trying to keep ourjobs for the british im sure they could find a way to say trying to save the state of the english game is racist </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I love when people say ridiculous stuff like this. I wish we lived in a dictatorship.......(Borat) NOT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not you Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dreaded Walrus: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Maviarab: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It won't happen for legal reasons </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Always makes me curious that...exactly what legal reasons would we be talking about? Most other european leagues operate this kind of system, and are all part of the EU as is the UK (currently), so what legal reasons and human rights would they exactly use to stop it when other countries in the Eu operate said systems? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Possibly discrimination based on nationality. Equal opportunities and all that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> i dont think so. i believe they would be able to do it on the same grounds that catholic schools are able to ban gay teachers from teaching. they would be able to proclaim themselves as a 'seperate entity' or something along those lines, even with equal opportunity laws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by eaglealan64: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by glamdring: Does saying you have to have 2 English players in the squad of 18 count as a restriction on foreigners? It doesn't restrict how many you can have in your squad </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Of course it does - it means you can only have 16 foreigners obviously!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Sorry, should have been more precise there. I meant restricting how many you can have in any given match squad doesn't restrict how many you can have in your club's full squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamshankley Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 This is the latest news on Player quota's and why the legal reasons are hard to bypass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy24 Posted February 20, 2008 Author Share Posted February 20, 2008 I did hear the only way it could possibly be imposed is if it was put together and enacted as a short of voluntary agreement that all the clubs agreed to. Ofcourse then you'd have to get all the clubs to agree to sign up, which seems unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekman Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bring back the one sub on the bench rule, tough luck if your Gk gets injured. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> No need to do that. Well not in Scotland anyway as the league rules there say that of your permitted 7 subs one of them must be a goalie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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