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  1. I don't have him set as a Defensive Forward, but at Charlton, one of my strikers (playing as an Advanced Forward) contributes a hell of a lot by chasing down defenders. He doesn't score as many goals or get as many assists as my other striker, but he forces a lot of bad passes, a lot of clearances, and his strength, workrate and tackling (19, 17 and 12 respectively) mean that when he does fully close down an opposition defender, he regularly manages to win the ball off them, often forcing the opposing player to the ground as well, which regularly leads to a goal one way or the other. To give an idea of how good a job he does, he's the only attacker in the league's player stats for tackling, with 3.41 tackles a game. His strength means he holds off a lot of weak tackles, too. Maybe I'll try him out as a defensive forward, see how he does? I'll post with an update if I do, but we might not be playing for another couple of days (it's a network game).
  2. So I'm playing as Hitchin against Hemel Hempstead, and in the 76th minute they decide to make a substitution. Liam Mullan comes off...
  3. I remember looking into this about a year ago, on FM09. The three posts linked below show my findings. They're names you might want to look into, but I haven't checked to see if they still exist in the DB, or if there's others. http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?p=2356105#post2356105 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?p=2356190#post2356190 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?p=2356226#post2356226 If you want to find some for yourself, just do a search in the data editor for people in the role you would like that have the female tag on.
  4. Considering he went 18 years in the sport before his first match, I doubt even that would discourage him! Unfortunately, it appears that this is a case of a person HAVING real-life appearances, but them just not being added to the FM database. See Wikipedia, for example.
  5. He's 46! He's not the oldest person in my save though (I'm right on the very first day of the game; I just have a lot of people added). There's a 55 year-old Player/Assman at Hanover in N. Ireland. There's a 55 year-old Player/Manager at Club Albion in Hong Kong. And there's a 50 year-old straight player at HKFC in Hong Kong. Profile History (bottom of scrollbar) History (top of scrollbar) In fact, historically on FM I've noticed there's a lot of old people playing in Hong Kong.
  6. Is this the most depressing journeyman biography ever? 18 clubs. 30 years. 32 club appearances. He's actually made more international appearances than he has club appearances.
  7. Yes, but with two underscores either side. __NOTOC__ rather than _NOTOC_ One underscore either side won't work.
  8. Done. http://www.footballmanagerwiki.co.uk/index.php?title=FMW:Featured_articles&diff=6542&oldid=6538
  9. Well it's all about how you program it. For example, on WP there is a bot which checks the text of any new article to see if it is likely to be a copyright violation of an existing page somewhere else on the net, and tags it for speedy deletion if so with a link to the page it is likely to be a copy of. Then an admin can check if it's copied (and if the text it's copied from is copyrighted or released as free content) and either delete it or remove the tag. It wouldn't be impossible to write a bot that runs on a powerful computer that, once a new game is released, looks for all player articles on FMwiki, then does a search for each of those players within the game (this is why it would need to be a powerful computer, to be able to load enough players to avoid having to do the task multiple times with different leagues loaded), take a screenshot of their profile, upload it to the wiki, and then add the new image to the article. It's just whether there's any programmers amongst us and anyone with the computer to run it (and the willingness to pretty much give up their computer for a couple of days around the launch of each new game). So it's not impossible, just rather impractical. You could technically write a bot to do ANY repetitive task.
  10. It's certainly something that would need thinking about. Player stats are certainly an important part of information about a player, one would assume, but creating new screenshots every year would be laborious, to say the least. Creating one for each new patch would probably be overkill, even though stats often do change with the data updates. I'm of the opinion that any screenshots should be taken at the start of the game too, rather than after having had the players developed. Perhaps for players which start off rubbish but advance to become great, then a "developed" screenshot could be added within the spoiler field too, I suppose. But if you do choose to include screens in the long-term, it's definitely something that needs discussing. Hell, it's probably possible to create a bot to automate the task each time a new game comes out for each player there's an article about, but it would require a lot of programming know-how, and processing power obviously for the task itself.
  11. Well, you can do, but it's probably best for you and the other owners of the site (if there are any others) to discuss it first to see if you want to go down this route. In addition, you won't want to transclude the entire template with all the code (as you have been doing here for example), as this would require major work whenever anyone made any changes to the template itself. Also, it would not work on pages which are at different titles on Wikipedia (such as Brad Jones). The best way to include the template is mentioned in the post above, and you would need to move it from my sandbox to whichever page you wanted it at (such as Template:fromwp, or Template:fwp). And the main thing that would need to be done to comply with the GFDL which I cannot do for myself is you would need to host a copy of the GFDL which is currently linked on the template on your own server, and then we can modify the template to link direct to that. Edit: Oh, and you would also need to be willing to license FMWiki under the same terms as Wikipedia (as in anyone can reuse or modify FMWiki content for any reason (including commercial), so long as they provide attribution). That's the other thing you would need to do, which might not be appealing.
  12. Alright guys. As a test, I created this. This contains all the stuff that would be needed. A link to the WP article, an acknowledgement of the authors, and a mention that the FMWiki article is also licensed under the same terms. Of course, if you were to go down this road, then you would need to actually want to license your articles under the same terms as WP. In addition, the link to the GFDL in that version links to an externally-hosted copy, whereas your version would need to be hosted on the same server. I added a variable which allows it to be used both on articles which have the same name on FMWiki and WP (such as Anthony Pilkington (WP), and those which have a different title, such as Brad Jones (WP). An example of the template as it would appear on both articles would be here for Anthony Pilkington, and here for Brad Jones. Currently, for testing purposes, the template is located at User:Dreaded Walrus/sandbox, but if you decided to go down this route you would probably move the template to, for example, Template:fromwp, then for any article which has the exact same pagename on WP (such as the Anthony Pilkington article from above, all you would need to enter is: {{fromwp}} (you could even put it at template:fwp or something, to make it even shorter at {{fwp}}) If you use it on an article which has a different pagename on WP (such as Brad Jones, which is "Brad Jones (footballer)" on WP), then all you would need to type is: {{fromwp|ARTICLE NAME HERE}} or, for Brad Jones: {{fromwp|Brad Jones (footballer)}}. As I have already said, you would need to talk amongst yourselves to work out what you want to do, whether you want to have WP content, which would require licensing your own content under the same terms, or whether you want only 100% original content. Also, the version I have created is by no means final so feel free to make edits to it to make it look prettier or whatever you guys want.
  13. Sure! I've created an FMWiki account now, but I'll provide it here so you guys can all have a talk about it. I'll need to do some test edits to see what works too, but when I've got something written out I'll post it here. Might take me a while though (on the phone right now)
  14. I did random page four times. Three of them were players, and the fourth one was Chile, which isn't from WP. A quick look at some competition articles (Premier League and Championship) and they aren't from WP. To be honest guy, on WP there's actually a procedure to follow for sites which use WP content without following the licensing guidelines, which is mentioned on this page. Usually what happens is a standard email is sent out to whoever owns the site, informing them about the violation (because most times people are using the content in good faith and just don't realise they aren't meeting the requirements for attribution), and there's a couple of follow up letters and stuff sent out weeks later. I've done a few of these myself. The actual time from first email sent to site getting taken down is an absolute minimum of six weeks, but usually people respond to the first email saying that they didn't realise, and either remove the content or (better) simply link back to Wikipedia and stuff. If you ever needed help with complying, you'd almost certainly be helped with creating an appropriate template or whatever (hell, I'd help you with that stuff if you wanted). So I wouldn't say there's anything to worry about, and certainly in the short term there's no rush, so there's no need to go blanking content from Wikipedia or anything like that. Just have a discussion to see what you all want to do. I do agree with you that the best use for an FMWiki would be for focussing on in-game stuff. I see that there's been some screenshots uploaded lately, and the Federico Fazio page had in-game information added by SCIAG, and that's really what people would be going to an FMWiki for in my opinion. Obviously, this has probably already been said, but after a good few months away from this place I hadn't looked through the whole thread.
  15. I hate to sound like a spoilsport, as this is an excellent idea that looks great. But there is one problem. I had a quick look around and it seems that a lot of articles have been copied and pasted from Wikipedia. This in itself is not a problem. Wikipedia licences its content under the GFDL, which does allow people to reuse its content for any purpose. However, it requires attribution. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content for a brief overview of rules for reusing content, and an example notice that can be used to fulfil the licensing requirements. Not saying that the Wikimedia Foundation is going to sue you into Oblivion if you don't comply with the licensing requirements (they probably won't), but still. (FWIW, the articles I looked at via random page that were copied from Wikipedia were Carl Pentney, Gabriel Heinze (which semi-complies), and Federico Fazio). The best way to go about it would be probably be by creating a template for article creators to add to articles which they use from Wikipedia. The alternative, I suppose, is to just completely rewrite all WP-copied articles from scratch. This is obviously also the best option if you don't fancy licensing your articles under the same terms as WP's articles (i.e. free for anyone to reuse and/or modify for any purpose). If you need any help or have questions, feel free to ask, but it should be simple enough. Again, I don't mean to sound like a spoilsport, as it's a great-looking site.
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