SirSpecialness Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 As title looking for thoughts and role combinations on how to set up a 3 man midfield in a 532. Just theory crafting it at the moment. Will be looking to play a tough to beat high block/pressing game. GK CDx CDc CDx WBa WBa ?? ?? ?? 9 10 Is it generally advisable to go with a midfield triangle set up of does a flat 3 work just as well? Would you opt for more generic roles vs specialist roles in the 3? I like the idea of going with 2 BWMs so they go ball hunting alot and at times press wider offering WB occasional cover. Not sure if 2 would be provide enough creative spark on the ball and forward runs? ty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argente Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I use a flat 3 when the opposition have 1 up top. For this I use AP A, BWM S, BBM S. If they have 2 up top I drop the BWM back into the DM strata and change him to AM D. I'd guess 2 BWM would close down a bit too much and could leave you exposed a bit through the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsr1982 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Just my opinion, but I think you can afford to go narrow with this because you have the WBs covering the wide positions. I have a save that has a setup like this, and I have an attacking triangle with 2CM/S and a Treq. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSpecialness Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 I use a flat 3 when the opposition have 1 up top. For this I use AP A, BWM S, BBM S.If they have 2 up top I drop the BWM back into the DM strata and change him to AM D. I'd guess 2 BWM would close down a bit too much and could leave you exposed a bit through the middle. Interesting idea. Would an AM triangle not be overly attacking given we have 2 up top and only 3 in mid. Would playing an AM triangle not lead to even more space in a pretty sparse 3 man mid? Vice versa with the DMC while playing 5 defenders on top of that. Partly the reason i like the idea of lone wide men formations is it mostly requires squad building of just 3 core strata positions Cds, Mcs, Fwd. Not married to the idea though, if a flat 3 isnt ideal then would change it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domus Clamantium Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'd go with CM(A), CM(D) and B2B(S). That has the effect of having runners from deep and one holding midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansongs Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 With two aggressive wingbacks I would play a flat three with the outside midfielders holding (CM-D or similar), to cover the wide spaces on the counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LethalTexture Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I've been having great success in a 4-3-3 with a DLP-D flanked by two BBM-S. This is in a structured possession system, so in attack the formation is essentially 4-1-4-1 and in defence its a 5-2-2-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmason122 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I play a similar formation to this... My midfielders are: B2B(S),DLP(D),CM(A) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSpecialness Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 I've been having great success in a 4-3-3 with a DLP-D flanked by two BBM-S. . Considered exactly that as well as BWMs DLPd BWMs. Do you find the BBMs do enough in all phases of play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 It's not what you asked for, but in my 5-3-2 I use a HB with a B2B and a APa. Works well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domus Clamantium Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 It's not what you asked for, but in my 5-3-2 I use a HB with a B2B and a APa. Works well! How does that work? Isn't the HB designed to slot into a centre back pairing rather than a triplet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 How does that work? Isn't the HB designed to slot into a centre back pairing rather than a triplet? I'm not quite sure, maybe one of the better tacticians can explain that - when I'm in attack he sweeps up the clearances/long balls which allows me to recycle possession. He's the guy who will pass wide to the wing back or pass it to the AP who will then assist the two forwards. I guess that's the main reason as to why I've never swapped because it works. Plus, I play a HB in a narrow diamond so I went with familiarity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansongs Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 How does that work? Isn't the HB designed to slot into a centre back pairing rather than a triplet? The Half-Back role sits deep and makes the defence behind him push up. No reason it can't work well with a back three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaYmZeE Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If I'm going with aggressive WB's and a back three - I wouldn't use the rest of the five remaining players as a 3-2 - I'd go I think it can either be called 3-6-1 - which sounds awful or 5-4-1 Diamond. So CD-D CD-C CD-D WB-A DM-SU WB-A BB-S BB-S AP-S F9-S The BB's could be BW-S or Roaming Playmakers or whatever balance you like - the DM - could be set to DEF rather than SUP but I like Dynamism - you'd think it'd be a totally defensive set up but it's anything but - works well as a control format, overlaps & work ball into box - your AP-S has so many options in regards for runners - whether it be rampaging Wing-backs - BB's storming past him and even your DM-SUP popping up now and then - your wing backs have a ton of options for the balls in and when it all falls apart - you've got a back three sitting doing nothing ready to jump into action when the inevitable counter comes - that's when it's better to leave the DM on DEF. One of my favourites. PASS INTO SPACE a must of course If I remember rightly - you don't even need to have the WBs set to A - they'll do fine in a Supporting role for a bit more balance - if I remember correctly I ended up with a huge amount of crosses when they were in the Att role - and they weren't allowing enough time for the midfield to get into the box for the crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmason122 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 If I'm going with aggressive WB's and a back three - I wouldn't use the rest of the five remaining players as a 3-2 - I'd go I think it can either be called 3-6-1 - which sounds awful or 5-4-1 Diamond.So CD-D CD-C CD-D WB-A DM-SU WB-A BB-S BB-S AP-S F9-S The BB's could be BW-S or Roaming Playmakers or whatever balance you like - the DM - could be set to DEF rather than SUP but I like Dynamism - you'd think it'd be a totally defensive set up but it's anything but - works well as a control format, overlaps & work ball into box - your AP-S has so many options in regards for runners - whether it be rampaging Wing-backs - BB's storming past him and even your DM-SUP popping up now and then - your wing backs have a ton of options for the balls in and when it all falls apart - you've got a back three sitting doing nothing ready to jump into action when the inevitable counter comes - that's when it's better to leave the DM on DEF. One of my favourites. PASS INTO SPACE a must of course If I remember rightly - you don't even need to have the WBs set to A - they'll do fine in a Supporting role for a bit more balance - if I remember correctly I ended up with a huge amount of crosses when they were in the Att role - and they weren't allowing enough time for the midfield to get into the box for the crosses. One note of caution with that formation. I have noticed on this version of FM, I have been ripped apart when using WBs in the WB position.... due to them not getting far enough back when we lose possession, meaning that the opposition wingers and ST´s utilise the space behind them to dangerous effect. On last years FM, that didn´t seem to be an issue, but this year´s it ripped me to shreds... though it may have also be because I was managing a pretty poor team (compared to the others in the league). Depending on your team´s strength compared to your league counterparts, I would potentially advise playing WBs on an attack or support duty, but from the FB positions. That way they will get back and close of the space on the wings when you lose possession. However, they will still get far up the pitch when you attack and provide the width you need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaYmZeE Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 One note of caution with that formation. I have noticed on this version of FM, I have been ripped apart when using WBs in the WB position.... due to them not getting far enough back when we lose possession, meaning that the opposition wingers and ST´s utilise the space behind them to dangerous effect. On last years FM, that didn´t seem to be an issue, but this year´s it ripped me to shreds... though it may have also be because I was managing a pretty poor team (compared to the others in the league).Depending on your team´s strength compared to your league counterparts, I would potentially advise playing WBs on an attack or support duty, but from the FB positions. That way they will get back and close of the space on the wings when you lose possession. However, they will still get far up the pitch when you attack and provide the width you need. I've had issues with opponents exploiting space in behind WBs/FB's etc in this version of the game - but not at all with this formation - and even less so when I set it up to counter. Without question this is the most solid formation I've formulated thus far - in other systems like 5-3-2 using 3 CM's of some variety I've had to have the two outside CB's set to cover because at defend they were getting beaten often enough and the resultant flick ons were causing havoc - in this system the CD'S work perfectly on Defend - I've now been using this system for over 3 seasons - my League one Q.P.R. team one the F.A.Cup by beating everyone 1-0 using the counter version of this system - this year - whilst walking the championship I've also won my four Euro Cup group games so far against Fenerbache, Rangers & Zenit. Team GK Sam Johnstone (Man U) Galloway, Caulker & some greek boy. Wingbacks are Obita of Reading & Byram recently of leeds - Midfield - Sandro DM - Lee Cook (Leeds I think) and some new gen Vasco - then the front pair are ZAK Clough & Martial of Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 These are brilliant results. Can you give us some more informations on your tactic? What's your shape and TI's, which roles you use ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaYmZeE Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Charisma, if you've updated your game to 16.3 - my tactics are now about as much use as a chocolate Tea Pot. In 16.2 5-4-1 Diamond..... Control/Fluid... Slighty Higher line - Press more - stop GK distribution - pass into space - play out of defence - look for overlaps - work ball into box, roam from position & be more expressive, short passing and low tempo. GK - set to roll it out to CB;s 3 CD's SET CD-D, CD-C, CD-D - all set to tackle harder other than that the defaults for the roles WB's both S - but with get further forward - run wide with ball - shoot less often - cross more often - cross from byline - stay wider and again tackle harder. ONE DM - SUP - Hold Position TWO BBM's - Tackle Harder - otherwise again - just the default roam from position. one AP set to support - guess what - tackle harder. one F9-Support - with shoot less often Against Tough opposition - how I one the FA Cup - Change to Counter/Flexible - Slightly deeper - stay on feet - tempo high - passing still short - pass into space - be more disicplined - stick to positions - remove all overlap & workintobox instructions and no longer play out of defence. Change the DM-SUP to DM-DEF, the WB's to Automatic - with instructions only, cross more often and run wide with ball. Change the AP'S to AM's and the F9 to DLP-ATT - that's pretty much it - but as I say with the new update it might suck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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