paulgerty Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 I know NASL expects teams to spend 2-3 million on salaries. MN Stars had the lowest payroll in the league when they won at 1.2 million. USL Pro is trickier and varies bbut is usually in the 500K-1.1 million range, with a club with Orlando City being higher. OK I'll make those changes. Any idea if there is prize money awarded to teams in those leagues for final position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 In real life the PDL is essentially a semi-pro league. It gives college players the opportunity to play games without forfeiting their amateur status, which they must maintain in order to play college (NCAA) soccer. That's why in FM the MLS Superdraft has always drawn from the PDL.Impossible to replicate in this game, obviously. So do PDL players receive a wage, or they are on completely amateur contracts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 So do PDL players receive a wage, or they are on completely amateur contracts? The players who aren't college players receive some kind of small wage, but I do not believe the college players are allowed to by NCAA rule. If they are paid while playing for a PDL team, it's a very small amount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobhasdowns Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The players who aren't college players receive some kind of small wage, but I do not believe the college players are allowed to by NCAA rule. If they are paid while playing for a PDL team, it's a very small amount. I do believe they're paid but it's essentially a stipend as they can't receive any kind of salary otherwise they would lose their college eligibility. Do not know about NASL prize money, would be a total guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I sent an email to the guys at NASL about the prize money. Might not get a response but it couldn't hurt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t27 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 any release date planned for the logo pack paul keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobhasdowns Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 So is my only option to wait for the next file? I've got 3+ million in unused payroll budget, can't offer above 52K/year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 So is my only option to wait for the next file? I've got 3+ million in unused payroll budget, can't offer above 52K/year It's very possible that no matter what I do anything more than that may not be possible. I'm not sure but I assume the game uses things such as team reputation, competition reputation, nation reputation, wage settings for nation etc to work out max contract offers. I've been researching a bit today and I've seen that some NASL teams seem to have budgets of 400,000 a year, so with say a 24 man squad that works out at 16K a man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 Here is a link to NCAA logos, plus a few logos for the new NASL and USL teams. http://www.mediafire.com/?r0t2cx33frdrt6x I remember doing my own logos for FM11, and also downloading some. I finally found these NCAA logos on my old PC and have no idea if they are mine, or the ones I downloaded so sorry if I'm uploading someone else's hard work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobhasdowns Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 It's very possible that no matter what I do anything more than that may not be possible. I'm not sure but I assume the game uses things such as team reputation, competition reputation, nation reputation, wage settings for nation etc to work out max contract offers. I've been researching a bit today and I've seen that some NASL teams seem to have budgets of 400,000 a year, so with say a 24 man squad that works out at 16K a man. Budgets are a bit higher than that, especially New York's. There must be a way to alter it, it's not even scaling the wages correctly. I can offer a youth player 52k/year, the exact same I can offer a key player. Only a very small variation in signing bonus/agent bonus. Can't even sign players from USL Pro right now, wage demands are too high. Only option to sign tons of players on loan from MLS clubs and pick up some PDL scrubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 This is what the guy from the NASL emailed me back regarding prize money: As an avid Football Manager player I appreciate your interest. I will check to get an answer. Last season we did not though this season the plan was to do so, but I am not sure the $ amounts. I will let you know ASAP. So apparently he plays FM. I'll let you know if he gets back to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 Budgets are a bit higher than that, especially New York's. There must be a way to alter it, it's not even scaling the wages correctly. I can offer a youth player 52k/year, the exact same I can offer a key player. Only a very small variation in signing bonus/agent bonus. Can't even sign players from USL Pro right now, wage demands are too high. Only option to sign tons of players on loan from MLS clubs and pick up some PDL scrubs. I'd need to keep playing with different numbers but this is an issue I've already been struggling with. The fact that young players demands are so high is very difficult to overcome. To make it so that USL Pro teams wouldn't have almost empty squads after a few years, I had to make it possible for the teams to sign players on non-contact deals. It seems to be a fallout from how the US is coded by the game, and without completely removing all MLS rules, this may be as good as it gets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Would editing the USA's "Weekly Salary Values" in the editor change anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 DOes anyone else have trouble with squad registration with the NCAA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 DOes anyone else have trouble with squad registration with the NCAA? What exactly is the problem? I had been thinking of removing squad registration at this level as the MLS transfer dates copy down to all other levels and mess up registration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Well no registration date seems to occur and when I go to Squad -> registration all of the buttons to register players are greyed out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 Well no registration date seems to occur and when I go to Squad -> registration all of the buttons to register players are greyed out. What is your game date? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I am two months before the season starts. Do you have a registration date set? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 From the looks of it, it has auto registration date. When does it generally occur with that setting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Nevermind, seems to be working. Apologies, I jumped the gun on that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 Nevermind, seems to be working. Apologies, I jumped the gun on that one. No problem. Would editing the USA's "Weekly Salary Values" in the editor change anything? I remember I did this in previous versions but it didn't seem to make much of a difference and gave me failed changes when the latest patch came out so I removed those changes to USA nation and didn't bother to enter that data again. I set them again last night and while I can still only offer full contacts in NASL, there seems to be a much greater range of values I can offer. I'll check it out more when I'm home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 paulgerty, what uniqueid do you have for the Mid-American conference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 15, 2013 Author Share Posted March 15, 2013 paulgerty, what uniqueid do you have for the Mid-American conference? Should be 100000078 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 I'm testing something else at the moment, but I've noticed that NY Cosmos are paying higher wages, one player on 110K a year for example. I have increased their reputation, they are still below the reps of MLS teams, but are highest in the NASL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I was just using the latest file and Toronto is in the 2012 Open Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Yea, mine too. That's a database buster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Looking at the rules though, I don't see how they qualified? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 I was just using the latest file and Toronto is in the 2012 Open Cup That bug has already been eliminated from the upcoming version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLlo Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 That bug has already been eliminated from the upcoming version. Looking forward to the next version. Is there an ETA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Looking forward to the next version.Is there an ETA? Most probably Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Matthias Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Great, planning on starting an MLS save when the final version comes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 So, in my current game (2013, 1st season) the NCAA tournament started late and now all my players are on vacation and I'm having to play it with grays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 So, in my current game (2013, 1st season) the NCAA tournament started late and now all my players are on vacation and I'm having to play it with grays. I've fixed the problem that was delaying the conference tournaments, so the NCAA tournament now has the right dates. I'm also working on a fix for this problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Will this happen every year in my game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 Will this happen every year in my game? Unfortunately until I get this sorted it will. When exactly did your squad go on holiday, was it after league or conference tournament? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 after the conference tournament. Florida International. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 What was causing the delay, by the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share Posted March 18, 2013 What was causing the delay, by the way? Something I had set in one of the conferences, which I had then duplicated for others, causing a knock-on effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 What was the setting? I'd like to fix it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I would suggest moving the NCAA above both the PDL and NPSL. I would say most Americans would agree that it's more important on the ladder. What effects would doing that have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I don't know if its been noted but the next season of the NASL isn't being scheduled in my game after the first it never happens again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I've not had that issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 I don't know if its been noted but the next season of the NASL isn't being scheduled in my game after the first it never happens again. I've never seen that happen in the hundreds of tests I've done. Did you make any changes to the file? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poop Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I've never seen that happen in the hundreds of tests I've done. Did you make any changes to the file? No but I just realized I had a whole slew of African agents and player editor files selected too. Probably the cause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willz71172 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 is your final version still out tomorrow paul? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 23, 2013 Author Share Posted March 23, 2013 Unfortunately further work on this file has been held up by a crash which was occurring at random times during the game. After literally days of testing the only logical conclusion I can reach is that the editor has somehow corrupted the database changes somewhere along the way. The last week I had been adding managers to all NCAA teams, and this seems to be the cause. The reason for suspecting this is that the file works fine in view-only mode, yet crashes even when I use the original US rules. Another strange thing was I had no failed db changes when saved as a dbc, but saving it as an xml brought 4 failed changes. I have a list of changes and version numbers so I'm working my way back to see when the last stable version of the database was. Then I can attempt to continue once again adding staff for NCAA. I cannot give a planed schedule for release, as it depends on how long it takes me to find a version that is entirely stable. This takes time as testing needs to be done in full mode with all US leagues loaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLlo Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Unfortunately further work on this file has been held up by a crash which was occurring at random times during the game. After literally days of testing the only logical conclusion I can reach is that the editor has somehow corrupted the database changes somewhere along the way. The last week I had been adding managers to all NCAA teams, and this seems to be the cause. The reason for suspecting this is that the file works fine in view-only mode, yet crashes even when I use the original US rules. Another strange thing was I had no failed db changes when saved as a dbc, but saving it as an xml brought 4 failed changes.I have a list of changes and version numbers so I'm working my way back to see when the last stable version of the database was. Then I can attempt to continue once again adding staff for NCAA. I cannot give a planed schedule for release, as it depends on how long it takes me to find a version that is entirely stable. This takes time as testing needs to be done in full mode with all US leagues loaded. Been there my friend, such a ball ache! Good luck with it. Fingers crossed. Still looking forward to the next release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Is there a specific date or timeframe the crash seems to be occurring? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgerty Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share Posted March 24, 2013 Is there a specific date or timeframe the crash seems to be occurring? No I would say it's semi-random. It either happens on 29 Oct or some in March, May, Aug or even some other dates. I think I've exhausted all possible causes, removing leagues, cups, squad rules etc. Anyway I've been testing a previous version during and that has got to 2024 with no problems. That one has managers added for 9 of the NCAA conferences so I'll restart for there, hoping that the problem doesn't happen again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willz71172 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 paul wouldnt think adding managers to your file would cause crashes. maybe some dates clash or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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