toffee Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Guys, any comments on which is the better 4-4-2? The first or second? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunga-swfc Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Guys, any comments on which is the better 4-4-2? The first or second? 2nd for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypermonkey Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Anyone having any luck cause so far this is proving the ******** FM EVER! nothing works no matter what I try! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewshaw33 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 right i have been using your 451 tactic for 8 games now with what can only be described as abysmal results..... i play as arsenal (well for now i do) as i was determined to make my own tactic this year. Due to the shocking first ME we were given this turned out a disaster my tactic became a case of 3 passes in midfield then back to the keper who booted the ball out of play i was so disgruntled i for the first time ever in my life of playing football/championship manager posted on this forum that i was considering quitting playing it altogether.. i came across your thread the results looked good so i thought give it ago anythings worth trying... it started off so well i thumped Liverpool 5-0 they didn't get a shot on target and i thought brilliant this tactic will help me learn again and help me make my own tactic work, no such luck since that game i have played seven games scoring 3 goals now dont get me wrong i have not lost all those games but i have lost to celtic in th CL and even worse to Doncaster in the FA cup. i aint really blaming your tactic in fact i aint at all i think more than anything its the ME still.. Silly things like fullbacks booting the ball out of play when a simple five yard pass right in front of them is on, keepers booting the ball straight out for a op goal kick players not following set instruction for the role given to them the list goes on and my frustration grows with it. Just a quick glance atthis forum in general shows i am far from alone on this.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 The 451 is a TC tactic with only minor overides (I think 3 changes) so shouts are available. In general there is a bias towards overpowered underdogs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewshaw33 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 tried a varied approach to shouts without much success if i am honest again its a bit of toss up as to whether they make any diff whatsoever tell them to pass into space they pass to feet tell them to get stuck in they stand off lmfao In all honesty i think its the me not any particular tactic thats letting down the game no correlation between what you tell the players to do and what they actually do Have now tried 451 a 4231 i made myself a variation of WW all leading pretty much to the same place no cohesion no intricate passing no nothing really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 Is the problem related to home r away form or just both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewshaw33 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 right now i would say both its not that i am getting beat in fact just the oposite i am on a unbeaten run but that unbeaten league run consists of 5 0-0's and two 1-1's as i have started to use the tactic mid season i expect some results like this so default training is set to tactics only until the team is familiar with the tactic maybe i am just being slightly impatient as my frustration level with the game is at an all time high Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 It can sometimes help if not scoring to change the wingers over or with the 442 forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewshaw33 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 so left footed wingers on the right and vice versa yeah???? Also do you set up shouts in pre determined fashion thats what i am looking at now to try and help things like push up get stuck in pass into space as 1 set and say retain possesion pass to feet as another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 I change wingers during game say after 30 mins if not scoring. I do not really use shouts but useful to have a SUS. The tactic has a fixed width so with a wide exploit wings that will need unticking. Shout combinations may help and prob best to set up, then in game save tactic with shout. Long shots are already turned off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewshaw33 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 starting to turn those pesky 0-0 into 1-0 wins last 2 games anyway lol wil keep testing the shout set ups this press option i am using does appear to be doing stuff now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 442 based on a tactic by Shiraz in FM12 that did well with a season I played with MU. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuGCuG Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 442 based on a tactic by Shiraz in FM12 that did well with a season I played with MU. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Which tactic is that and do you only tried it only with city? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardeye Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Are you using shouts or just plug and play? i tried the 451 as a plug and play with bad results. i have since tried using the tactic with the following strategies with excellent results, taking my shrewsbury side from bottom of the league into a playoff spot in february: away large underdogs- rigid/ defensive away slight underdogs- rigid/ defensive away large favourites- rigid/ counter home large favourites- balanced/attacking home slight favourites- rigid/ attacking or balanced (depending on oppo strength) home slight underdogs- balanced/ standard. I just realised that there is a fixed width and have unticked this so that width is getting adjusted with the strategy. i have only played one game like this (rigid/defensive as underdog away) and won it 1-0, the other 10 or so games width was fixed regardless of strategy. as you mentioned playing away as underdog does seem easier than previous editions, esp with a rigid/defensive approach. I havent really used shouts unless 3-0 up- retain possession/ take a breather to save stamina. What is your theory behind using an advanced forward and two wingers rather than a DLP and inside forwards- was it just more effective in testing or is it a match engine observation? same question for the fixed width. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper74 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 hi the 4-5-1 is that knaps tactic from number 1115 is it 4 13.1.3 the latest patch thinking off giving it a go with my oxford game. thanku Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardeye Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 hi the 4-5-1 is that knaps tactic from number 1115 is it 4 13.1.3 the latest patch thinking off giving it a go with my oxford game. thanku yes, although i downloaded it from post 1043 a while back, but post 1115 is more recent so go with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Knap, any further update with Shiraz's 442? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'm going to put them up for download on TBH forum. I've tested with MU and added a few tweak for Spurs (Won EPL std squad no additions just sold Jenas) so in all 4 tactics - Std 442 - Spurs tweak 442 - Spurs 451 and SUS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'm going to put them up for download on TBH forum.I've tested with MU and added a few tweak for Spurs (Won EPL std squad no additions just sold Jenas) so in all 4 tactics - Std 442 - Spurs tweak 442 - Spurs 451 and SUS. Could uou provide a link to the forum? Once uploaded obviously... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Outside links are not allowed. It's - thebetterhalf.freeforums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardeye Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 knap any thoughts on my post 1145? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 All makes sense, and I would include that sort of information with the tactic if you have good results for others to follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardeye Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Did you test the 451 with a DLF and inside forwards? Curious as to whether you think Wingers and AF work better on this patch. I have unticked width so it adjusts with mentality changes and results are still good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 I try a lot of combinations but certain set ups stand out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Outside links are not allowed.It's - thebetterhalf.freeforums Sorry knap never realised that! Have u uploaded them yet as I can't see them? How come you've decided to upload there & not start a new thread for your FM13 tactics on si? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 Have you found them now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Have you found them now? Yeah cheers knap! Really struggling this year though! What about a seasoned veteran like yourself? How are u finding everything, honestly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 Which side are you using? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Which side are you using? Man United...really good team...but nothing is consistent at all...I'm a seasoned (& admittedly serial tactic downloader) user but nothing has touched the sides this version! There seems to be too many variables that effect the team! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Knap What would you say is your strongest tactic for this patch so far mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 I've been trying out this idea by WHG using the Shiraz 442. Easy to follow and getting good results so far over half a seson tonight. Top 4 Club Instructions Home - Start with Attacking strategy against any club that are not another top club. Home - Start with Control strategy against other top clubs. Away - Start with Control strategy against any club that are not another top club. Away - Start with Standard strategy against other top clubs. Special Circumstances Home - Start with Standard strategy if you have been on a bad run and find yourself underdogs against another top club. Away - Start with Counter strategy if you have been on a bad run against another top club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyer21 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Where can i download Shiraz 442 Tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypermonkey Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Knap! Hows it going? Have you got a 4231 with wide men tactic in the works? If you do I would be happy to test. I've been testing your 442 with west brom and so far are doing pretty well for west brom! the Strikers are banging them in! Shane Long has 22 goals in 18 apps Odemwingie has 10 goals in 15 apps and Lukaku has chipped in with 7 goals in 11 apps So far Ive found that the left hand striker scores the most goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 With the 442 you can try DLF on left and T on right as that appears to be better set up. 451 Rigid is working OK but not tried 4231 yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypermonkey Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Ah right thats probably why Long works well on the left, you want a more pacey striker there correct? out of interest have you tried shifting the wingers forward to make it a 4222? I was thinking about trying it out? If you do try a 4231 let me know as I would love to test, I had a really good arsenal side players wise but they were playing like... well the real arsenal? and i think a AM postion would bring the best out of Carzola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotlandskommun Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 what tactic can work for Lower league in England?? going to start in the last divison... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 I did use Farnborough pre patch and they were fine with tactics I used with Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage75020 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 where is the link for this 4-4-2 ? please I've been trying out this idea by WHG using the Shiraz 442. Easy to follow and getting good results so far over half a seson tonight.Top 4 Club Instructions Home - Start with Attacking strategy against any club that are not another top club. Home - Start with Control strategy against other top clubs. Away - Start with Control strategy against any club that are not another top club. Away - Start with Standard strategy against other top clubs. Special Circumstances Home - Start with Standard strategy if you have been on a bad run and find yourself underdogs against another top club. Away - Start with Counter strategy if you have been on a bad run against another top club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 Tactic links are on TBH forum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 This is probably best I can do atm for 4231. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menadzer500 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Tactic links are on TBH forum Where are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 It's - thebetterhalf.freeforums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny1980 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 im going back to 12 also, FM13 is ****ing awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 4231 Tactic which is the WHG 41221 Tactic just changing DM to AM. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypermonkey Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Wow! pretty good results with that 4231! 10 points clear with a game in hand not bad! Will test with my Arsenal side and see how it goes and let you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanky_yid Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Did You use any shouts with the 4-2-3-1 Knap if soo what ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 I don't use shouts apart from SUS which is the same adjustments I've used since FM08. The lastest 4231 has overides as 451. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanky_yid Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I wish I knew what the SUS adjustments were im new here lol Well I havent posted or asked anything before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Shut up Shop - go defensive at end of game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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