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@bosque If this was my save, my next step would be to experiment with removing high press and replacing with counter-press + drop off more. Basically making my pressing more situational (at the moment of transition, using the naturally top heavy positioning of the 4-2-3-1), but then asking my defenders to be more protective of the goal when the opponent has established possession. However this might be a stylistic change you don't desire.
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Suggestions for my 4231
Prolix replied to Mik_Fe's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
The combination of instructions leaves your players with limited options. Buildup play from the back will be short (Play Out of Defence) and without urgency (Slightly Lower Tempo), unless a BPD chooses to take a risky option (Take More Risks). Your midfielders will remain very stationary (both on Hold Position) and only the DLP is instructed to get the ball forward. When you win possession your team is told to stay stationary as well (Hold Shape). Your front players are discouraged from crossing or shooting by either PIs or the Work Ball Into Box instruction. Their only options are to complete a short pass, probably while slowing your tempo even more while they look for underlaps on both sides (which players will be making underlapping runs with the FBs told to position and run wide and the DMs holding position?), dribbling (Dribble More), or forcing a risky ball (Take More Risks). Even your center forward is discouraged from shooting. I struggle to see these players doing much more than recycling the ball over and over and clogging up the center of the pitch. When defending, it seems that your team is too much divided into a top half and bottom half. The four forward players are told to press a lot and prevent the opponent from playing out from the back, but the defenders/DMs are told to drop off from their high line. I struggle to see how they will defend as a team coherently. Some of these instructions can of course be used to build a style of play, but my impression is that your players have too few options because of how restricting their instructions are. -
Suggestions for my 4231
Prolix replied to Mik_Fe's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
Too many player instructions, team/player instructions create a style that is too rigid/slow/predictable, as well as disjointed when defending. Simplify, simplify, simplify. -
Help me avoid the ruth
Prolix replied to eXistenZ's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
I wonder whether a Pressing Forward is too limited of a role for your striker now that you have more possession and less space than previous seasons. I have similar thoughts regarding the left wingback on support duty, and having only a FB(s) on the right side. -
Tactical creator is stale
Prolix replied to _mxrky's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
Then design a new one. -
The Target Man in Poacher's Clothing
Prolix replied to Mr Phalanx's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
Brilliant thread. I've been struggling for years to figure out how to get the best out of the big, limited center forwards that populate the sub-elite levels. I have been slowly gravitating towards this solution, but I think I was afraid to commit to it because it feels "wrong". But this really is it. Just go and score goals, lad. (Bonus: my current striker has the "plays with back to goal" trait. He does a bit of everything!) -
Need Help: Poor Chance Creation & Low xG
Prolix replied to batsy23's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
I assume (I don't know the player) that this means he has very high attributes for things like Aggression, Bravery, Determination, Teamwork, etc., which is why you want to use him as a Ball-Winner to 'get the most' out of those attributes. But I think it's important to point out that a player with those characteristics will bring a more aggressive, ball-winning style of play on any role. As regards the overall tactic, short passing + pass into space doesn't make sense to me, nor does telling your entire team to dribble frequently. It seems likely that your players will run themselves into dead ends rather than finding good passing options. -
Mentality home and away
Prolix replied to Dreambuilder's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
I'm curious why you play with more attack duties on higher mentalities. Won't your players already have more aggressive tendencies due to the higher baseline mentality? -
Double pivot issue
Prolix replied to sonnevillejr's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
My understanding is that playmaker roles are coded to "show" for the ball more, i.e. move into space towards a teammate who is on the ball. For a DM during the buildup phase, this would naturally mean moving into deeper positions. -
Not sure I see the value in preventing the possibility of more discussion if you're disappointed with the lack of engagement. Keep in mind that the holidays likely decrease the amount of time people are spending on forums, etc. For what it's worth, I was interested to see how you go from the list of issues highlighted in the data to in-game analysis.
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DM, Anchor or Half Back?
Prolix replied to MarkJS1's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
"in twos", i.e. in double pivot partnerships. -
Book of Roles - PDF Guide
Prolix replied to Rashidi's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
Minor nitpick, but a table of contents would be massively helpful for something of this length. -
Seriously think FM23 is ridiculous
Prolix replied to icedgate's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
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Choosing The Best Striker Role
Prolix replied to Cleon's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
This is a very timely thread for me, as I've been working on a new 3. Bundesliga save and trying to figure out how to use my striker(s). Basically, and this is a question I keep coming back to in general, I'm trying to figure out how to get the most out of the type of tall+strong but not necessarily quick, technical, or creative striker that is especially common at lower levels. I've had middling success with the very intuitive choice of TM-s, but as you allude to in your article, in FM this comes with a lot of trade offs. Thinking about it some more, I've been wondering whether Poacher might make sense? This player would be a "target" in the sense that they would be a penalty box striker and nothing more, but discouraged from dribbling or trying to be creative beyond their basic technical capabilities. I haven't been able to bring myself to use DLF-a or PF-a for this type of player because of the Take More Risks for the former and Move Into Channels for both roles, which is not where I feel a slow and limited player would thrive. Similarly, PF-s feels like it would make this player more of a facilitator than a primary threat, which feels like a waste of the player on my team who has the best pure goal scoring abilities (Finishing, Composure, Off the Ball, etc.) Does this make sense? Can a Poacher work with a player who isn't a line-breaker? What team shapes and supporting roles would complement such a player/role? -
Non league tactic help!!
Prolix replied to MJMX22's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
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This reminds me of some thoughts I had written up circa FM19 or 20: In a fast transitions style (more direct passing, higher tempo, more attack duties) attacking players will naturally have less support from teammates (the ball moves faster than the players). Therefore, we should play narrower so that our players are less isolated and will look to exploit vulnerable space closer to the center of the pitch before the opponent has time to enter their defensive shape. In a possession style (shorter passing, lower tempo, more support duties) attacking players will naturally have more support from teammates. Therefore, we should play wider so that our players will look to exploit vulnerable space further away from the center of the pitch and pull our opponent out of their defensive shape. The prevailing wisdom is that when using the shorter passing instruction you should also play narrower so that your players are closer together. However, factors such as a formation with players in each strata (both vertically and horizontally), more support duties that delay attacking runs, a lower tempo to allow support time to arrive, the hold position instruction to discourage counter-attacking runs, or players with sufficient technical and mental abilities should allow for combination play between the players nearest each other on the pitch without instructing them to take up narrower positions. In order to create threat centrally, we can see the value of using playmaker roles in central midfield that will attract the ball back inside after it goes wide to stretch the play and disrupt the defensive shape. We can further see the value of wide players with the PPM to switch play to the other flank to create variety from the default short passing. To try and confirm my hypothesis, I went through and compared the relative values of Passing Directness and Width for the 10 tactical presets. As a rule, the more direct styles (Route One, Catenaccio, Direct Counter-Attack, Park the Bus, Gegenpressing, and Vertical Tiki-Taka) were more narrow relative to their passing directness. Control Possession and Tiki Taka were both wider relative to their passing directness. Fluid Counter-Attack was neutral, and Wing Play was drastically wider relative to passing directness (for obvious reasons). The key is that for each tactical style "narrow" or "wide" were relative to the passing directness in each case. For example, in absolute terms both the Gegenpressing and Tiki Taka preset appear in the UI as "Fairly Narrow"; the difference lies in Standard versus Much Shorter passing (as well as a difference in mentality). Obvious disclaimers are that this information might be out of date by current FM standards, as well as the lack of esteem with which the SI-built presets are viewed. However, there does appear to be a certain consistent logic at play concerning the interrelation of attacking width and passing directness. (Rashidi's allusion to another interrelation between attacking and defensive width is well taken, also.)
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Struggling with Spurs [4231]
Prolix replied to Karlo's topic in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
Hold Position is an instruction for when your team is in possession of the ball. In other words, a BWM on support will move forward to support the play, but on defend duty will hold position/defensive shape. When out of possession, both roles are more inclined to press than hold their shape. Edit: Apologies, I've just seen that you've switched to a CM-d.