Djuicer

May 26, 2020

This is fantastic, please do not stop. I will read everything you post even if its not the same game!

May 26, 2020

Is this not correct any more?

Its about duties though.

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May 26, 2020

Have you considerd swapping AF and PF?

May 26, 2020

5 hours ago, HUNT3R said:

With that Acceleration, Balance and Agility for cutting inside, along with the Dribbling, pretty much any role that suits your tactic. I'd say IF/S, but you could easily go for Raumdeuter or an AP/A (is that still available at AMR?). IF/S would be my preferred role because it doesn't make the player do any one thing, so he's free to create or score himself based on the situation. You'll have very, very few defenders who will be able to handle him cutting inside. Beats them on pace, but also skill.

Good input :thup:

4 hours ago, Garrlor said:

Agreed, I would think he would be wasted in a CM spot as that pace and trickery is wasted without space to use it in. Great passing like that on an IF/S would be a real asset, as he also has resonable vision and decision making, composed enough to make that decision and the anticipation to put it in the right area for his team mates movement. Basically an absolute nightmare to defend against.

Also very insightful :thup:

53 minutes ago, sporadicsmiles said:

With flair and dribbling like that, he would excel in any role where he can get the ball deep and run at a defence. He will occasionally do something wonderful and unpredictable. My favourite player in FM19 was a player with high flair and dribbling who just liked to score insane goals from nothing.

Or, with the off the ball, acceleration and pace he would be good in a role that looks to beat the defence and get onto a ball behind. Although his decisions and finishing may inhibit his abilities as an out and out goalscorer. But again, that flair and the ability to do something unexpected.

This is to all, really great ideas! thanks for the input. I currently just have one wide man on each side and the role will be on support and that feels like a waste on him. He has been used as a striker (which is his natural position) by the AI and sits with 85 goals in 125 games.
I think he will be an attacking mezzala for me. If it dont work I will probably move him up top or let him just play on support down the left side. That role seems to end up in good positions, but it feels as he will be more potent creating that ending up as the finisher.

May 26, 2020

12 hours ago, skyline72 said:

Mezzala.

Maybe Im bias though. Just love that role.

This is a good shout.

12 hours ago, Garrlor said:

IF A or S either side, would probably lean towards the left.

This too, very good shout.

12 hours ago, Piperita said:

I'd probably use him as an IWs or IFs and work towards teaching him two PPM: Comes Deep and Gets Into Area. He has a lot of mobility and can handle being tackled. So lets give him the room to do exactly that. If he beats his marker in the middle, he is out of the game when the play finishes! Not to mention that this player can also pass quite well in addition to his movement, making him a dual threat from deep who can create spaces by passing and running. Big downside is that he'll probably need new lungs after seventy minutes or so and has to miss a few continental games

An alternative would be IWa or IFa who tries to beat offside traps and has one or two playmaker PPMs. He has all relevant stats to run through the flank and then cut inside where he can either try deadly backward passes or go 1-v-1. Biggest downside here would be that beating offside traps can be very situational and kills players in wrong systems (I am still crying for Diamantakos in '19!)

Could make a good runner in MC positions as well but one ofy many quirks is that I hate using players with under 14 Strength/Work Rate there

I think he will be played in CM positions. Not cause of that using is wide is wrong or bad. I just won't have that kind of player in my setup

Probably as a Mezzala on attack. Great input regards to PPM's.

May 25, 2020

Another great post @Zemahh

interesting the diffrences in distribution. Which players comes deep and not.

May 25, 2020

1 hour ago, mnrtjedennis said:

mentality:
positive?

out of possession:
more urgent or extremely urgent pressing?
much higher defensive line
offsidetrap yes or no?

in transition:
counterpress

in possession:
play out of defense
wide or extremely wide?
pass into space
play out of defense

What would you do with the instructions?

thanks in advance, it's much appreciated!

Mentality is probably positive or balanced.

in possession

Play out of defence.

lower tempo.

shorter passing.

is a good start I think.

transitions

counterpress is probably correct.

maybe slow distribution? Or short?

wo the ball I think they have just been on Higher dline and loe.

That could be diffrent if all players are fit though. Maybe highest dline and offside trap then? Pressning is more urgent or the highest value I think.

Bosz traditionally probably press more extreme and also more extreme in possession settings.

May 25, 2020

14 minutes ago, Vico Vito Pep said:

Did u have a tactic download for this or maybe more specifically what’s the PIs for your WM/a ‘s?

Spoiler

As always to be certain @crusadertsar will have to answer.

I do think he does not have any. He lets the traits or PPM's decide what the player does. Thats how the dynamic swich when players swap sides. They often has traits thats only "active" on one side of the pitch.

May 25, 2020

The two games now have been something like this right?

4-2-3-1

Havertz

Wirtz Amiri Diaby

Demirbay Aranguiz

Wendell Bender Tapsoba Weiser

Hradecky.

Or

4-3-3

Havertz

Wirtz Diaby

Demirbay Amiri

Aranguiz

Wendell Bender Tapsoba Weiser

Hradecky.

Maybe I flipped the CD im not sure?

Havertz up top is defenetly a F9 or a DLF

Both wingers are probably IW. Bailey and Bellarabi usally plays there more often that Wirtz.

Demirbay is the playmaker (AP/DLP/RPM?).

Amiri runs attacking runs (AM/CMa/MEZ)

Aranguiz is also possibly a DLP or a BBM or even a ball winner.

Wendell a usal WB.

Bender and Tapsoba are both good with the ball. Tapsoba probably takeing on op. players.

Weiser too is a WB.

Hradecky is a sweeper keeper. Probably on defensive duty.

May 25, 2020

Just now, Experienced Defender said:

No, I did not say that. Just warned the OP against making too many tweaks at once. In some cases the Be more disciplined can make sense even if you manage a top team with great players. Which does mean that I suggest either that he should apply the instruction or not. The best approach when creating a tactic - especially an attempt at a replication - is to gradually adjust as you test the tactic until you get exactly what you wanted.

Sorry, I did not mean to put words in your mouth.

May 25, 2020

Hello. My name is Jose Marcelo. I'm 23 years old. If I was on a trial for your team, where would you use me? As you can see Im fast, agile with good balance. Additionally Im great with the ball at my feet and is adept at finding space. EDIT: Im left footed for those who value that information. Some may call my right foot "weak".

May 25, 2020

14 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

Not necessarily all that. The first thing I think you should tweak is pressing urgency (from more urgent to default), especially if you play on a higher team mentality.

As ED said, its quite harsh to go more disciplined on any of SAFs teams. He demanded hard work, but there was always room for the flair players too. If they did what was excpected from them out of an defensive aspect.

May 25, 2020

As requested by @Punt I will do a sort of brief summary of traits or PPM’s that I find useful and are adding things to our playing style.

SK
· Tries to play out of trouble.
· Uses long throw to start counter attacks
I'm not certain the first actually does anything, but if it does it should be neat to invite pressure, with the right keeper obviously.

Full backs (wing backs).
· Runs with the ball down right/left.
· Plays 1-2.
· Get further forward.

And more situational with the right player/setup.
· Gets into the opposition area.
· Knock ball past opponents.
· Likes to switch the ball to the other flank.
· Runs with ball often.

·Hugs the line.

Very Situational. Needs both right player and probably setup.

· Cross early.

BPD.
· Brings ball out of defense.
· Tries to play out of trouble.

Situational (ie right player/setup).
· Runs with the ball through centre.
· Get further forward.
· Tries long range passes
· Likes to switch the ball to the other flank.

CD and or midfielders with bite.
· Gets crowd going.
· Argues with the officials.
· Marks opponents tightly.

Playmakers.
· Dictates tempo.
· Pass alternating PPMs (not more than two).
· Comes deep to collect the ball.
· Curls ball.

Situational.
· Brings ball out of defense.
· Tries to play out of trouble.
· Runs with the ball through centre/Left wing/Right wing.
· Plays 1-2.
· Runs with ball often.

· Stops play.

Running midfielders.
· Plays 1-2.
· Get further forward.

Situational.
· Gets into the opposition area.
· Knock ball past opponents.
· Likes to switch the ball to the other flank.
· Runs with ball often.
· Moves into channels

Wide players.
· Plays 1-2.

Usually one of (ie move-alternating)
· Get further forward.
· Gets into the opposition area.
· Comes deep to collect the ball.

And also one of or two of (again-PPMs which manipulate movement)
· Cuts inside from one or both wings.
· Runs with the ball through centre/Left wing/Right wing.

Situational.
· Tries tricks
· Tries to beat man repeatedly
· Knock ball past opponents.
· Likes to switch the ball to the other flank.
· Tries killer balls.
· Uses outside of the boot.
· Curls ball.

· Moves into channels

Very Situational. Needs both right player and probably setup.

·Hugs the line.

Creative forwards.
· Plays 1-2.
· Tries killer balls.
· Comes deep to collect the ball.

Situational
· Tries tricks
· Tries to beat man repeatedly
· Plays with back towards goal.
· Runs with ball often.

Scoring forwards.
· Plays 1-2.

Situational.
· Moves into channels.
· Curls ball.
· Tries to beat offside trap.
· Knock ball past opponents.
· Shoots with power - places shots feels weak IMO in FM20.
· Tries first time shots.
· Runs with ball often.

May 25, 2020

4 hours ago, Punt said:

It´s playing some nice football. TI´s and PI´s are the same as yours:

- WBR and WBL ( s ) : CROSS LESS OFTEN, SHOOT LESS OFTEN

- DM ( s ) : HOLD POSITION

- RPM ( s ) : MORE DIRECT PASSES, RUN WIDE WITH BALL, MOVE INTO CHANNELS

- IWR ( s ) : GET FURTHER FORWARD, STAY WIDER

- IWL ( s ) : TAKE MORE RISKS, CROSS LESS OFTEN, GET FURTHER FORWARD, STAY WIDER

- PF ( a ) : TAKE MORE RISKS, ROAM FROM POSITION

I also started training One - Two PPM for every player except DM and BPD´s and I can´t wait to see some nice passing when the players learn it. I´m interested to see what you recommend next PPM - wise. I think it would take the level of this tactic even higher.

Yeah, I see. I think the only diffrence is LB where I used CWB. Davies was very capable. I really liked that style it created.

May 25, 2020

1 hour ago, JamesC86 said:

It’s definitely not a bad idea. Could certainly be the closest in the game to how Keane played. Would you set it up in-game with an a asymmetrical central midfield then?

I think so, maybe something like this?

1 hour ago, skyline72 said:

Yorke is more of a supporting role and linking up.

Of course he can score himself.

I agree. Maybe he actually played more like an SS does in the game? attacking space from deep, or atleast how it looks in the game its closer to his actual style?

May 25, 2020

4 minutes ago, JamesC86 said:

As for Keane, he definitely didn’t just sit back when the team attacked. As I said, even he would at times arrive late in the area for a shot on goal. I picked BWMd because I wanted to not over commit in attack and limit the amount of times he made forward runs off the ball. If and when Scholes went forward then Keane stayed deeper. But he certainly did get forwards sometimes. His role is perhaps the most difficult to actually nail down in the game so would need to be tested to see what works best. CMs with harder tackling might work?

Segundo volante in the game. Only starts too deep. Except from that it plays very much like Keane.

May 25, 2020

19 minutes ago, JamesC86 said:

From watching United a lot during this era I’ll give my opinions. As with a lot of real life systems under various managers it’s difficult to replicate this exactly in the game but we can try to get as close as possible.

I agree that United didn’t use a playmaker at this time as the swift counter attack was effectively the playmaker. Yes, when the counter wasn’t on they could confidently control possession and probe for openings but this was mainly from overloading one side and switching the ball to the other flank or overlaps. A LOT of United goals in this era were scored from crosses into the box rather than coming from central areas so for this reason I would come away from the idea of a central playmaker.

Here are the roles I would choose based on the first team from 98/99 season:

AFa (Cole) CFa (Yorke)

Ws (Giggs) B2B (Scholes) BWMd (Keane) WMs (Beckham)

FBs (Irwin) CDd (Johnsen) CDd (Stam) WBs (G. Neville)

SKs (Schmeichel)

Team Instructions:

Mentality: Attacking

In possession:

wide

play out of defence

pass into space

hit early crosses

In transition:

counter

Out of possession:

higher defensive line

more urgent

get stuck in

Player instructions:

FBs - cross from deep

B2B - more direct passing (in addition to switch ball to other flank PPM)

WMs - cross more often

As you can see I think that in terms of player roles/duties/instructions the system Fergie used this season was relatively simple, but achieved it’s effectiveness based on quick transitions, frequent crosses and late runs into the box. The ability and different strengths of the players was of course incredibly important too. The forwards need to be good in the air, wide players need to have excellent crossing and, in the case of Giggs, dribbling ability. Scholes and even to a lesser extent Keane had a habit of arriving late in the opposition penalty area. And the whole midfield were notorious for giving away free kicks on the halfway line as a first line of defence and to break up opposition attacks, hence the ‘get stuck in’ instruction. You could also add tackle harder to these midfield players but I’m not sure it’s necessary on top of the team instruction.

Anyway, that’s my two cents!

Really nice, all I can think of is Keane was more free and creative than that. And Yorke was probably dropping more than a CFa will?

May 25, 2020

I think you can use attacking team mentality to get the changes from the start. You dont have to be more aggressive than that.

then add the ones for distribution and counter. Schmeichel had a good throw, maybe till the keeper to throw long? And let him decide where.

other than that it seems fairly correct IMO. Or well, who was the bpd?
no playmaker? Scholes?

May 25, 2020

34 minutes ago, Punt said:

DJUICER, I´m using regular 451 - SK (a), WB (s), BPD (def), BPD (def), WB (s), DM (s), RPM (s), MEZ (s), IW (s), IW (s), PF (att).

That seems like a good ground for nice possession football.

Meanwhile. Im ready for a new challange.

May 25, 2020

2 hours ago, Zemahh said:

Love this role, the amount of times it ends up unmarked in and around the opposition box is unreal. Can be very hard to mark, CMs tend to just forget about him.

Yeah, It is a really strong role. With the right player. They need to be very good overall and over average physically to fullfill it reasonably well, but if they do. Than that and the one I displayed above will occur relativley often.

2 hours ago, Punt said:

Thank you for your hard work, DJUICER. I´m enjoying 4 - 5 - 1 with Pressing Forward ( the last one ). I would like to know which PPM´s are you teaching your players ( besides One - Two )? I know you´ve written this down in several posts but would it be asking too much to write them again in one post or in OP? I would like to know them to get the most of the gameplay this tactic can offer. Tactic already plays great and I would like to use to full potential. Thank you in advance and keep up the good work.

I can do that. I can collect some and make a new post with a pointer in the OP. :thup:

Do you use a "regular" 4-5-1 or more like a 4-2-3-1?

Next up is the FA Cup Final. Facing Liverpool managed by Tuchel. They usally line up in 4-4-2. Romario Baro and Florentino Luis as CMs. Sancho and a very good newgen on the wings. Trent and Robbo at wb.

I will change the WBs on right to fbs.

WBa on left to WBs.

HB to DMs and Reg to VOLs.

The rest will be as usal. The goal is to overcrowd the centre and from there dictate the game.

Off to a good start, although A. Becker is alert.

But well..

CL FINAL

We started good in the CL final too, in the 7th minute Mbappe and Davies did this:

Bloody h***

May 25, 2020

CL semis vs PSG. 1-1 at Etihad. For the awaygame I decided to change:

HB-DMd.

REG-VOLs.
WBA - support.

IF - IWFs.

F9-PFa.

Due to them having Ansu Fati and Ousmane Dembele on the wings. Also having a world class midfield with Pogba and De Jong. Add Laporte, Marquinhos, Lukaku, Griezmann, Mane and you can see that they too have a VERY capable squad.

Results:

And the Volante finished off this move

Well, like last year:

May 24, 2020

2 hours ago, johnstonpickle said:

Awesome post!

Your methodology has become my go-to for tactical brainstorming!

Passing my way to glory as it stands - also 18 clean sheets!

Impressive. You are showing that this can be done with worse players.

Fantastic results and numbers there @johnstonpickle :applause:

EDIT: Seems as its working for me too atm.

We will soon need a bigger cabinet here at Etihad:

May 24, 2020

This will cover the four most advanced roles in the team. I will show some players and PPM’s that I think can be useful.

First we can start with this quote from Thierry Henry about Pep Guardiola, again “My job is to bring you to the last third; your job is to finish it. The last third was freedom for us”.

The first thing I was focused on was to get Kylian Mbappe to play as a second striker. I had a given role model in AC Milan’s Kaká, who in my opinion was a good playmaker but a truly awesome runner. Fantastic at timing his runs into the box and boy he was as fast, as fast as they come. Fair enough I gave this an honest shot, the vision I had was something like this:

F9
Ws-SS-Ws
REG-VOLs
IWBs-BPDd-BPDd-IWBs
SKs

I thought that would create sufficient movement for the Shadow striker to shine. Also with two wingers the intention was to stretch the opposition's defence, creating even more space. However I was wrong, it did not work. Mbappe sat on 2 goals in the league by Boxing day and well, we were still winning but that was despite my tactic rather than thanks to it. So it went back to the drawing board and the deepest 6 changes were discussed in PT9.

The offensive quartet was also put under scrutiny and the new roles will be discussed. This system does not have the TI to press more urgently, but the front four has pressure more selected as a PI to create a split block. The four “forwards” press to win back the ball, the other six is a bit less aggressive and will sit and steer opponents at times too.

On the right I kept the same role as in the example above, or well I started like that, after a while I felt more variation was needed and the regular winger was scratched. An Inverted winger with a supporting duty was introduced. My expectations from this player is that he will keep width, do some crossing. Put in a goal or two and also make some good assist at times. The main job for this player is to play his part, taking part in the pressing game and always offering an outlet. Summarized what I expect from the IWs is this.
· Add “secondary scoring”.
· Create chances.
· Offer width
· Be loyal to our pressing game and JDP basic principles.

With the ball the IWs often runs inside, making long diagonal runs carrying the ball with him. Working more as a creator than a scorer. While the inside forward on the other hand is more of a scorer than a creator.
Role: Inverted winger support - IWs.
PI: Press more, get further forward, stay wider.
Mentality: Positive.

For this role I use three (4) players. All play differently, have different strengths and also PPM’s that do set them apart. I will show the tridente most used here, even if Bernardo often plays AM too. The first one I will show is the player being most of a traditional winger. He is a wonderkid you have seen a few times before if you follow this saga. Antonio Carlos has developed his skills and the personality grows every now and then too. Those are his PPM’s that make him act as a classic winger more than the others.
· Runs with the ball down right.
· Knocks the ball past opponents.
· Plays one twos.

A little something from Antonio Carlos.

Next up will be Raheem Sterling, earlier he played on the left but now he has been “demoted” to the right side of the pitch. As I said before Sterling is an archetypal inside forward, quick, agile, fantastic off the ball. hence he will play the inside winger role a tad less creative and a bit more focus on getting himself in goalscoring situations. Sterling is ambitious and has 13 determination.
· Gets into opposition area.
· Get forward whenever possible.
· Plays one twos.
· Cuts inside from left wing.

The third is someone I described as the modern playmaker, Bernardo Silva. Sublime technique. Good vision, smart, and also a really hard worker and a tank that never seems to dry up. Do I have to add that he is an model citizen with 18 determination?
· Dictates tempo.
· Comes deep to collect the ball.
· Plays one twos.
· Tries to switch the ball to the other side of the pitch.
· Uses outside of the boot.
And some more PPM’s but those are some of the best for making him very creative and unpredictable for the opponents.

Here you can see Silva as IWs starting this move that involves quite a few players and ends up with the left sided player finding the net.

Last here I will show the one who’s best, but more often play in another role and position. Speedster, superstar, machine. Kylian Mbappe. He is resolute with 15 determination. Those traits with his attributes makes him a great runner with the ball, a legendary dribbler I would say.
· Runs with the ball down right.
· Cuts inside from both wings.
· Plays one twos.
· Tries tricks.
· Uses outside of the boot.
· Runs with the ball often.

This is a little clip showing a great goal with the left sided player finding the IWs in a great position right after a throw in taken by WBa Alphonso Davies.

As for goal scoring threats: When forwards attack from wide to inside, they are far more dangerous. Sir Alex Ferguson.

@Rashidi described the differences between IW and IF like this: The best way to describe this role is to compare how Leroy Sane and Mohamad Salah play in real life. Leroy Sane is a bit more creative and works within a system that seeks to overload one side of the pitch, thereby creating space on the other. Mo Salah, is more of an inside forward whose principle purpose is to drive at defences and score goals. Both roles start from wider positions, but both play differently on FM.

I suppose this is clues that gives the left attacking midfielders role away, if not. There will be an inside forward occupying this slot. My expectations from this player is that he is my main goal threat. It comes with two available duties and the differences are as follows:
· Support: Will cut in diagonally into the space behind the defence and play through balls or take long shots if the opportunity arises.
· Attack: Will run directly at the defence with the option of shooting, passing or crossing as he moves into the final third.

To be frank the attacking duty sounds like the logical option. With that in mind it's maybe a bit strange but I went with the support alternative, but if you consider that the player behind is supposed to overlap the IF and is Alphonso Davies he will do that a lot due to him being who he is, and having the attacking wing back as his role. This is a part of the bigger strategy to maximize the potential of Salida Lavolpiana. Lastly I did not want to have two attacking duties on the same side. We still need balance in the team, but also in the formation. Summarized what I expect from the IFs is this.
· Reliable source of goals.
· Run at defences.
· Try some killer balls.
· Add flair but still contribute to the teams collaborated pressing game.

Considering the supporting rather than the attacking duty I added some PIs and counted on the players attributes and PPMs to do the rest.
Role: Inside forward support - IFs.
PI: Press more, get further forward.
Mentality: Very attacking.

First one out here is Kylian Mbappe who I showed already in this post. I will not show the SS of him again but his PPM’s might be noteworthy.
· Runs with the ball down right.
· Cuts inside from both wings.
· Plays one twos.
· Tries tricks.
· Uses outside of the boot.
· Runs with the ball often.

Mbappe getting this one due to being in the right space at the right time.

Again Mbappe getting a sweet pass, this time from Lewis Cook as the REG.

Sterling is here fielded as the IFs, he does this and creates a beauty.

Second one here is Gelson Gomes, someone I earlier said this about: portugese wonderkid and heir to Cristano Ronaldo. Gelson Gomes (20yo newgen/regen). Excellent dribbler, quick, strong. The sky's the limit for this player who is just starting his second season in the premier league and averaging a point per game this season. Now he is even better, and has become a perfectionist with 18 determination. He looks like this and has those PPM’s.
· Runs with the ball through the centre
· Gets forward whenever possible.
· Cuts inside from left wing.

A nice long pass by Savoldi, IFs Mbappe takes full advantage and does what he does best.

In the centre of the pitch I wanted a player to be able to do a lot, I also felt the need for someone who could link the deeper six with the further four of our players. In the deeper section that responsibility was given upon the Regista. Here I wanted more of a normal role, less specialized. Additionally the main conductor was already in place, which is something I'm very pleased with and it also works within the settings of this by @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!(I have quoted this before but it's something I find really useful).

1. My playmaker should have a positive mentality; most commonly in the 10-12 range but I'll go up to around 15.
-I hate having a cautious playmaker playing backwards and sideways passes.

2. My holding midfielder should have the same mentality as my centre backs for defensive compactness.

3. My playmaker should ideally be my deepest midfielder, optimising passing options ahead of him.
#3 is italic as it's most negotiable.
Sometimes meeting #1 and #2 means I have to play a holding midfielder behind my playmaker (in more Structured systems).

For me the mentality which I desire is balanced as the lowest. Positive is preferable, higher than positive will be too adventurous for a possession based game in my opinion. Risk must be taken to unlock defences, but take too much risk and the possession will be lost too often. The holding player in my system is the HB who is at a cautious mentality. Which is exactly the same as the CDd and the BPDd. The playmaker is regista on positive mentality. (Disclaimer@Ö-zil to the Arsenal! plays on FM18 which has diffrent mentalitys)

Rodri, here as Half-back finds IFs (Gomes) with this beauty.

So yes, where were we? I want to use any playmaker here, hence no trequartista, no advanced playmaker or enganche. The shadow striker was the initial project but it was not something I could really work out how to implement in this style and formation. Now we just have the regular attacking midfielder left. Due to me demanding him to link the forward quartet two the six deeper players he needs to be able to drop deep quite often, something that won’t happen if he is given the attacking duty because it comes with the get further forward PI locked in. My AM will therefore come with the support duty whom according to FM tends to sit in the hole, rather than get into the box. Summarized what I expect from the AMs is this.
· Initiating the front fours press. Decide how and when they press.
· Roam around looking for space (in possession).
· Drop deep, link the front 4 with the deep 6.
· Contribute with assist, key passes and hopefully a handful of goals.

This space(ie the number 10 space) is often congested, me being a big team and often favoured the opposition tends to sit quite deep. To give the AMs some methods which will help him find space he is given the PI to roam from position.
Role: Attacking midfielder support - AMs.
PI: Press more, roam from position.
Mentality: Positive.

Here I tend to use four different players. Bernardo Silva, Dominik Szoboszlai, Rodrigo Bentacour and Gelson Gomes. Again they all offer different things to the team. Some being more like playmakers, some being more inclined to attack and someone like Bentacour is maybe the one most likely to do the job Jose Mourinho had Oscar do at Chelsea. Start the pressing, drop deep and also at times chip in with goals and assists. All players here can be found in either this post or the PT8.5 or PT9.

PPM’s that's always useful are:
· Plays one twos.
· Tries tricks.
· Tries killer balls.

For a player acting more of a goal threat:
· Runs with the ball through the centre
· Gets forward whenever possible.
· Runs with the ball often.

And if you want someone acting as playmaker, even though not being one according to the role:
· Comes deep to collect the ball.
· Tries to switch the ball to the other side of the pitch.
· Likes ball played into feet.

Well, just because he has developed a bit I will give you Szoloszbai again.

A little play ending with the AMs finding the net.

Now we have come to the last position of the 4-2-3-1 project. You already know which player I want to score the goals. To help the IFs making that happen we will need certain things. @Cleon talks about this. Actually he is using the same role and formation but with another duty. He states that: The supply and support are vital parts of helping someone become a goalscorer. This is what can create the movement both for the player to use and around him so it makes the opposition make a decision. This is how gaps appear for you to exploit and use to your advantage. However another big part of this is the role and duty of the player and those around him, as this will determine not only what the player does, but how the people around him behave too.

We already have for example the WBa overlapping the IFs. He can then cross, cut back or even do this.

On the other side (right) the WBs and IWs tandem works with overloads too but are a bit more restrictive with the risk they take. On the positive side they have more support from the Regista than what the WBa and IFs have on their side through the HB.

The AMs is supposed to work laterally to find space and also to help out on whichever side currently holds down the possession. It's supposed to be a utility man helping out when needed. I want him to work like this:

To make even more space available for the IF to run into this last role must be carefully chosen. Almost all teams we face play with low blocks. Which means there is almost no space behind for us to run into. Thus we can scratch all attacking duties from the shortlist. We also want the player to be creative, which means bye-bye to the pressing forward. Now we have complete forward, deep lying forward and the false nine. I do not want this player to work too much laterally due to the intentions of getting this movement from the AM. Here we can remove the complete forward. Now we have two roles standing. The deep lying forward tends to hold up the ball, hence being more of a physical specimen than the false nine. Who often is more of a playmaker type, playing up front. Dropping deep, with the intention of either being able to get the ball unchallenged or to get a central defender following him in this movement, something that will create space for the IF to run into. From the F9 I expect flair, dribbling, breathtaking passes and a fair amount of goals too.

Summarized what I expect from the F9 is this.
· Stay somewhat centrally in the field, being a clever, intelligent player.
· Drops deep from the forward line. Leading to superiority in numbers in midfield.
· Being able to take on, and beat his man in 1on1 situations.
· Contribute with both goals and assists to the team.

The only thing I have changed with the false nine is that I have instructed my player to pressure more often.
Role: False nine - F9.
PI: Press more.
Mentality: Balanced.

Regarding the false-nines purposes: “generating superiorities behind each line of pressure. It can be done more or less quickly, more or less vertically, more or less grouped, but the only thing that should be maintained at all times is the pursuit of superiority. Or to put it another way: create free men between the lines.” - Adin Osmanbasic for https://spielverlagerung.com/

I have three players that play here, Lautaro Martinez, Bernardo Silva and a new brazilian called Glaucinho.
This is Martinez, he is a world class player. Boosting 17 determination and being professional. Except for this current drop in ability he has been fantastic, I'm certain he can regain this dropped ability soon.

This is a clip that shows Lautaro pressing perfectly, setting off a counter attack.

Bernardo has been shown before and as I said, he is a tremendously talented playmaker. Talking of false nine and the most gifted playmaker playing centrally as the forward in 4-2-3-1. @SFraser wrote this already back in 2011, but it is probably even more relevant today. “While Inside Forwards exploiting the reduced defensive cover of the flanks is nothing new and is very tactically sound, it is my view that playing a pure Striker upfront is not tactically sound.

Look at that defence and then look at the Passing/Creativity of your own Inside Forwards. Most Inside Forwards are not the ultimate playmakers of world football although they are lethal, and there is no way that a striker in the lone striker position in my 4-2-3-1 is going to get alot of supply coming directly through the middle. Having a player that is looking to peel off defenders and get into goalscoring positions here is a waste of a player. The centre is too immensely defender and the wide players are simply not going to carve open defences with epic throughballs very often.

Ofcourse you can always play Playmakers on your flanks, and sometimes I do just that, but I wanted more movement from my wide players as my CM's need options, and the average wide playmaker is not going to destroy fullbacks with speed and movement.

Indeed with the Wide Players in modern football becoming ever more like Pure Strikers in terms of actual function, it makes sense that you want a playmaker centrally to feed them into goalscoring positions. A playmaker is one of the few types of players that is going to be able to get any change out of the heart of defences like the Juventus system.

The squad numbers in my formation tell the entire story. My number 9, my striker, plays left wing and my number 10, my playmaker, plays upfront on his own. That's my tactical theory, that's my tactical development, that's my tactical evolution.”

The last player out will be new newly arrived brazilian Glaucinho. Young, shapeable, and very talented. With good moulding and a bit of luck Manchester City has their central striker position covered for the next decade.

Glaucinho’s debut. Bentacour as regista serves him this. Kind of a free lunch. Glaucinho does not disappoint.

This leaves us with this as our front 4.
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My team mentality spread looks like this:

BAL
VA-POS-POS
CAU-POS
ATT-CAU-CAU-POS
POS

And the full tactic, with the strongest 11+subs:

Fairly balanced I would say, compact and still quite on the positive side. The most penetration comes from the left, the side where I expect the most goals or assists to
be created. Although it may be better with Silva down the right and Gomes as AM. Silva is probably better and more important there due to his tendency to switch the play. Which has a bigger effect from right to left than from centre to left.

Said left side in action, Davies making an overlapping run ends the move with a shot:

Current competition status looks like this:

Carabo Cup Final.
Well that's one more home and safe. Last year they got me in the semis. Now I took revenge in the final. My bad, wrong Cup. This one I got last year too.

The left side was key again. My first goal in this final.

And again, 16 minutes later. Bernardo drives inside with the ball, making a killer of a ball.

I'm not sure I will dig into the 4-2-3-1 any more at this point. I will probably try a new formation, and this time I will use three central defenders and (probably) two strikers.

I will just add results from the major games left this season, We will keep the 4-2-3-1 for the remaining games.

EDIT: The .fmf is now attatched. Feel free to try it out. But be aware, my team is extremly good, and players are moulded with PPMs for this. This is probably not gonna be effective for all teams or in all leagues.

Djuicer 4-2-3-1 JDP FINALmaybe.fmf

May 23, 2020

Just now, Breezybaby1 said:

Does ‘be more expressive’ help out with that because as I’m a big team opponent will have a field day watching me try and work it into the box while then have all 10 men back

I would say it helps a tiny bit at times. Overloads and switches of play helps more. Those can be created with roles, duties and at times PPMs.

Regarding overloads you can dig into this by @Jack722

May 23, 2020

Just now, Breezybaby1 said:

Do you not find work ball into box difficult? Especially when ur essentially trying to suffocate ur opponent?

No not really, it's a tool I use to increase my possession numbers. It also decreases crossing and long shots. However its not always benificial.

The key point I was trying to make was options for roles which you can use in your setup. I for example have a creative role up top. A creator down the right. A creator in midfield. An inside forward on the left with an overlapping wing back.

An example of two common goals we score are those. First the IF and then the F9.

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