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  1. Assuming Malen has the natural attributes of an advanced forward (pace, dribbling, flair, finishing etc) he would probably score more goals in a riskier approach on the ball. for example a higher tempo can let you work the ball up quicker and try to isolate your forwards against an unsettled back line. This can make use of an AF’s pace and dribbling, as running at the defence is always more effective if you can get 1v1 against a defender. This can be emphasised using a ball playing defender to try and move the ball over greater distances. I also think a higher tempo works best with low crosses, as a low cross against a settled defence will likely just be cleared by the first man. If you play quickly and get your winger behind the dline on the wing, A low cross will be much harder to defend passing Into space can also be useful, as he would have the pace to exploit the space. but at the end of the day, your tactic is working for you so might be best to keep it. I think my suggestions could help you score goals, but they may also make you lose the ball more and therefore concede even more so only take it as something to think about
  2. Why do you think that is the case? i rarely use a PFa, but if I recall correctly, they act pretty much the same as an AF other than the pressing forward being less risky on the ball and tackling harder when off the ball
  3. Seeing as the video never worked, here is the goal vs Bayern: Notice here how playing out the back has given time for the wingbacks to advance higher up the pitch, while the short passes have drawn Bayern's forwards to press our centrebacks. The use of 2 forwards also pins back Bayern's full backs, as if they leave to mark our wingbacks, they will be left with a 2v2 at the back. The sequence in the previous picture allows our wingback to be found in acres of space to drive at the opposition back line. Play out the back Get the deep lying playmaker on the ball Quick turn and long pass to advancing wing back in space A 1-2 between full backs on the opposite sides of the pitch High percentage cross to Poulsen As someone who's not a fan of keeping the ball with short passes, this was probably some of the best football i've seen on this game over the season. The tactic for me keeps the perfect balance of using directness to create chances out of nothing and not look stale, while at the same time, every pass is deliberate - there are rarely low percentage route one passes that you would expect from a physical side.
  4. Hello mate, IIRC, Immobile is more of goal scorer than a creator, which is what you're playing him as. I'm willing to guess that Immobile has been far from your best player and hasn't been scoring many goals based on looking at your tactic. Even your backup, Belotti, is more of a physical-goal scoring type, who again doesn't fit into your system Don't want to self-plug but I literally made a post about getting the most out of a goalscorer at AC Milan, and I have a lot of the same players as you, so the same ideas should work. We're currently unbeaten in first place, where Piatek has scored 11 in 11, it should be useful for you. A lot of the post is to with what @Djuicer has said about your directness. You're playing an extremely low risk passing style, which is making you easy to defend against, to get that sort of style scoring lots of goals and playing exciting football, you need pretty much every player in your team to have excellent technical ability. For example, prime Barcelona played that style, with every single player in the team being excellent on the ball, and they still sometimes had trouble breaking down defensive sides. As well as this, it's clearly documented that Zlatan Ibrahimovic had a miserable time under Guardiola at Barca, and it's no suprise considering that Zlatan was a tall, strong player who would've loved quick transitions and crosses into the box. He was probably tearing his hair out watching Xavi and Iniesta pass between each other. However, if you are set on this style, the first thing you should do is sell Immobile, Belotti and Kessie. This is because they are all physical players who are being wasted playing a slow style of play. You should replace the strikers with a natural F9 or Trequartista, and replace Kessie with a natural playmaker, someone similar to De Bruyne would be ideal. If you can't, you could retrain Almada as an F9, swap Kessie with Bencar and play Kessie as an anchor man, then play calhanoglu in centre midfield with Paqueta as a sort of 'dual 8' pairing, probably both as CMs with instructions such as roam, more risky passes. this way you will have a very technical front 5 capable of working the ball into the box, with leao being a goalscoring threat from wide. It also gives you more cover for the adventurous wing backs than can stretch the defence and providw width
  5. for me, hitting early crosses should just be to what you default to when you have a classic poacher up front. As long as your poacher has the attributes, you would have to need a very good reason not to use it
  6. Update We're still going strong 11 games in, having won every game apart from the draw against Juve. We had a couple of shakey 1-0 wins in a row where we were pretty poor and had to rely on set pieces/penalties, but I had faith in the system and I knew that it was solid, so I haven't changed a thing, and kept the starting XI the same except for injuries. After a rapid start, Piatek slowed down a bit and had a mini 'drought' where he didn't score in 3 games, but he made up for it by scoring 4 in the next 2 games. Analysis v Fiorentina, goal #1 A long clearence from our left back finds its way to Piatek, he uses his physical ability to win the ball against the centreback, before getting 1v1 against the other CB He skins the other CB, knocking the ball past him, before smashing the ball into the net I absolutely agree that I was lucky that Piatek had the ability to beat 2 CBs and finish, but this situation is what he thrives off of. Physical duels and finishing chances when he has space. I had these situations in mind when creating this tactic, so you make your own luck really. This never would've happened if we decided to slow things down and play out the back Goal #2 Here we played an early cross into Piatek. Piatek had good enough anticipation, agility and off the ball to get away from his marker and stay onside before smashing it into the net again. I like this goal a lot as it shows how strikers that 'need space' can still play well against teams that defend with numbers, we created a good goalscoring chance in a 2v7 situation. Poacher's don't have to wait until there's an oppertunity to counter attack. Our 3rd goal was another early cross, this time missing Piatek, but finding our inside forward at the back post. As you can see, Piatek is absolutely thiriving on this higher risk style, it's the best way to give your poacher space to play in.
  7. Good idea, in the past I've played Rashford as a lone advanced forward, and he was the top scorer, despite teams looking to defend deep against us seeing we were Man Utd, I'll try and recreate it after I do a few more posts on AC Milan and Piatek *EDIT @jozza800 I just remember that I made a post about that team a while back, the link is here: I'll probably redo it though, as there are a few things I would change now, and I didn't focus on the advanced forward when I wrote about it.
  8. I've just closed the save so can't check right now. But IIRC, we've had a few goals come from both Suso and whoever plays BBM (Kessie or Bakayoko) Suso can cut inside and take shot, and the BBM is both a threat with a longshot, particuarly after a failed clearance, and from making late runs into the box to get on the end of a cross. Despite Piatek getting most the goals, Suso has been out best player so far, chipping in with both goals and assists
  9. Analysis After a dominant performance against Lazio, and yet another goal for Piatek, I thought I'd show what kind of situations happen with this tactic Our encouragement of crosses leads to our RB swinging in a cross into the box, where we have 3 players waiting to pounce. The prescence of these bodies leaves the defenders losing Piatek, who uses his good anticipation and heading to get onto the end of the cross, and forces a good save from the gk Grouping togther a good passer such as Suso at IFs with Piatek, while encouraging riskier plays, leads to situations like this. An excellent pass from Suso and a brilliantly timed run from Piatek leaves Piatek 1v1 against the keeper, this move gave us a clear cut chance from absolutely nothing. Sadly the GK made another good save. Piatek ended up scoring from a pinball situation in the box after being in the right place at the right time - typical of a poacher such as himself.
  10. Seeing as I see lots of people on these forums that need help getting there strikers to score, I thought I'd make a thread about poachers and advanced forwards in order to help a little. The Poacher We're going to be using Piatek, firstly because he's a very classic poacher, he has: Excellent finishing Good heading Good off the ball, anticipation Good all round physicals Fairly poor ratings for other attributes I've also chosen Piatek due to AC Milan having a like-for-like replacement in Cutrone, as well as lots of attacking midfiedlers to offer good support. Now, how can we get him to score goals? I confess that I started a save with Milan a while back, and Piatek played like ****. We also were extremely inconsistent. The one thing that I have been seeing that is consistent with almost every tactic I see that has a struggling forward, as well as my old failures, is that we all seem to over-use possession based instructions eg. Play out of defence, lower tempo etc. Let's look back at Piatek's attributes and see how they will work in a team that looks to keep the ball. Excellent finishing not much to say here Good heading This is being wasted by teams that look to play shorter passing as well as work the ball into the box Good off the ball, anticipation This means that Piatek will be good at making well timed runs behind the oppostion defence, as well as positioning himself well for a cross. These will be useless if your team isn't looking to play risky through balls and make crosses Good all round physicals Again, a player with good physicals will almost always be more comfortable playing a direct style, where he can use his pace to run on to direct passes, as well as use his strength and balance to challenge in ariel duels Fairly poor ratings for other attributes If i haven't made my point already, this is where it gets hammered home how can he be a useful player building up attacks with short passes when some of his weakest attributes are those such as teamwork, passing, vision? OK, now that I've made my point clear, let's design a simple tactic that will get the most out of Piatek. Instructions Positive mentality We are AC Milan, a good Serie A team, not only do we have good enough players to play a riskier mentality, playing positively will ask our players to take more risks with the passes, and potentially find Piatek making a run Hit Early Crosses Probably one of the best instructions to have for a classic poacher The quartet of good Heading, anticipation, off the ball, and agility screams for you to hit early crosses. This is because not only can your striker head the ball well, but he knows exactly where the ball is going to land, and he has the agility to get there in time Higher tempo Makes us play quicker to try and catch the defence off-guard, giving us more space to play through balls in to. Counter Lets us take advantage of space when it's given to us, a counter is when we'd have the most space to play through balls in behind the defence, so lets make the most of it Counter-Press Again, we're a good team, and the formation I'm going to play gives us lots of players in the attacking half so it makes sense. It will also allow us to win the ball high up and when the opposition aren't in a good defensive shape. More urgent pressing + prevent short GK distribution We're already pushing a bit higher up due to the mentality, and as we're a good team on the ball, we may aswell try and win the ball back a bit quicker Play out of defence, Shorter passing As Piatek is good in the air, so we are more than able to play direct to him so that he can lay the ball off to the many players around him in our tactic. A direct pass from our defenders may allow us to catch the defence off guard and attack more space Even if Piatek is against good airel defenders, we may lose the long ball, but then we can initiate a counter pressing system. This means that we can win the ball high up the pitch while the opposition isn't in a good defensive position Formation A very simple tactic We have width on both sides, with a winger and an attacking fullback. Gives us a source of crosses from both sides Late runs into the box from the BBM Lets us overload the box before a cross comes in, to take some of the attention away from Piatek, basically a decoy BPD and SK More risky and direct passes from the back to turn defence into attack more quickly CMD to cover the attacking fullback Two sources of through balls for Piatek, from the IFs and the AMs Notice how we have no playmakers playmakers are good for when you want to play out of the back, or if you have one player who's much better on the ball than everyone else They like to come short to a player on the ball so that they can recieve the ball and try and make something happen I originally had Paqueta as an AP in my first 45 minutes, but changed him to an AM, this is because he came really deep when our defenders had the ball, meaning that we had fewer players up front to recieve a forward pass I don't need Paqueta to come deep, as my defenders are comfortable enough on the ball to not need help, I also have Biglia in central midfield, who has excellent technical skills. With a Paqueta as an AM, we can work the ball up to him through out BPD -> CMd (Biglia) -> Paqueta. Now when Paqueta recieves the ball, he is closer to the goal and closer to Piatek, where he can make things happen. How has it been doing? We're not so far into the season yet, but pretty good Some might say that I've only been playing bad teams, but one of the biggest struggles for this sort of person is breaking down defensive sides. We have been doing this with ease. *EDIT Just drew against Juve. But look at those stats, we were better than them in almost every way and Piatek scored the equaliser
  11. I do agree with you that a MEZa and a CF would match Atalanta irl more closely, as the MEza can help with the overaps and swapping positions, and the CF can help with the wide overloads. But when I try to do recreations, I like to have a balance of being as close to the desired team as possible, as well as the tactic being viable in FM. In my experience, having an attacking duty in a central midfield pairing will lead to us getting "overrun in midfield" - my assisstant manager. And having both strikers drift wide will lead to there not being anyone to finish off the moves in the box. But I encourage you to give it a go and post your results here. It could may well work. Another option would be to use a 343, which atalanta use sometimes in real life as well, and have Zapata in the middle as a focal point, and then Illic and gomez can be inside forwards. That way you can still overload the wide areas and have a prescence in the box at the same time. I tried this first, but for some reason the attacks were very stale and we didn't score much at all. But I'd like to revisit it now that the 3412 is producing good results
  12. I was literally about to make a post about Atalanta! This is what I've gone with, and although there is room for imrpovement, i've seen some nice stuff so far. TIs: AP-Roam, AF-stay wider Looks like we weren't too different. Here is a goal I scored against top of the table Roma, that I thought was typical of Atalanta: Typical diamond on the flank, with Gomez making his way over to support the overload. With a pretty empty midfield and an option for the switch of play The ball switches to the opposite wing back who now has acres of space to drive into the box due to him being so wide. Cut back for Illicic in the box who finishes it off. I'm currently 5th after 14 games. 1 Point behind Juve. I'm also playing on FM19 where we are predicted to finish 9th
  13. I know the feel mate. Maybe one way to get more bodies forward without sending up the full backs would be to keep one as a FBd or IWBd, while changing your DLP to a support role and get him more involved in the attack? Then you could play two wingers and still keep your width. In terms of your strikers, to me it feels that most of the tactics I see in this thread involve possession based instructions. You have Dribble less, play out of defence and short GK distribution. All slowing down the play. It could be that the opposition finds you too static and slow to be dangerous. I find that more traditional No9s (AFs) work best when you attack more directly and play instructions such as higher tempo, hit early crosses, pass into space. Your striker will thank you for all the extra service he gets.
  14. I used to struggle a lot with form falling off a cliff mid season after having a good start. Now, a little less. If you've started the season with lots of wins, normally it means that your tactic is good. I'm no expert, but your tactic looks OK, to me. I would change a couple things if it were me to provide more balance, but I'm in no position to give advice without knowing your squad. What I would do in the past is, after going on an inevitable bad run of form (not a mid season crash, but just a run of 4 or 5 games where I'm drawing when I should win, and losing when I should win or draw) I would immediately think that my tactics had been 'figured out' and that I needed to change. But now I've realised that this is detrimental, chopping and changing will only confuse your players. And you've likely chosen your tactic at the start of the season as it suits your players the best, so it's not alwasy wise to change. Imagine being a player, low on confidence after a few bad performances, and your manager asks you to play a completely different role or for the team to start doing something differently with only a few days notice before a game. You're not going to have a clue, and would be better off sticking to what you're used to Now I keep the same 1 or 2 tactics that I make at the beginning through the whole season no matter what, and I haven't ever had a season-derailing bad run of form since. Normally we get back to winning wasy fairly quickly. The problem is most likely to do with morale or specific players on bad form that should be dropped, or bad team talks etc. Maybe even just pure bad luck In terms of your tactic though, I would: swap the duties of your wide players, this makes you more balanced If your a stronger team, I would make one of your full backs attacking may as well press more urgently if your pushing up Change your CF to an AF or P, as these roles focus more on scoring instead of creating. And you at the moment, your only attacking players are the IW and the CF, both are roles that look to create as well Also not sure why you tell your players to play wide while dribbling less, as playing wide normally gives your wingers more space to dribble at the defence.
  15. That's a good suggestion, my go-to back 3 set up is usually a ball playing defender in the centre as a stopper anyway. But I wanted Upamecano to be a cover just because he is by far our fastest centre back, and I want him dropping a bit deeper to pick up oposotion strikers who have run in behind the line. He is also our best passer, so it's a bit of a compromise to have him as a cover.
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