Djuicer

June 2, 2020

Quality CU. :applause:

June 2, 2020

11 hours ago, Cadoni said:

When you leave training to AM make sure:

- Have preferred formation as you
- Have style of play as you

For different preferred formation from you, check:

- Tactical Knowledge

This is interesting, if I play a certain style, I find the AM moving training towards that style anyway. Or are his sessions on that style "worse" than if he would have prefered that style himself?

Formations I have no experience of, does this impare my overall tactical familarity? or just the one for formation?

June 2, 2020

6 hours ago, gpassosbh said:


Has anyone here managed to put together a tactic with everyone with an attack mentality in FM 20?

Challange accepted

edit: Im not sure about the striker position though, If it can be done?

Its not possible to get all on attack. On balanced you can get the front 5 as attack by simply putting them on it. The DM with focus play gets positive and the keeper can be either positive on support or very attacking on attack. Remove focus play and he gets attack, but the dm only gets balanced then. Fullbacks get positive on attack, with overlap they get attacking but wide players then just get positive. The central attacker is VA with higher team mentalities on attack, still he can't get over balanced on support duties.

May 30, 2020

2 hours ago, Lasson said:

Hello. I've been following this thread for a little while as I was fascinated with the tactical approach of overloading one side and taking advantage of the open space on the opposite side. Looking at my tactic, do I have something going right, or have I misunderstood the whole concept?

That seems correct. For even bigger effect you can move the playmaker to the side you want to create the overload (in your example in the mezzala's position).

May 30, 2020

3 minutes ago, Beerwulf said:

And every word is worthwhile.

In one of your earlier tactics you were using a Trequartista in the CF slot. I think you had IW on either side and a lack of cutting edge up front, so you replaced him with a pressing forward.

Did you consider using the Treqartista instead of the False 9? Now he'll have a strike partner in the DLF and also penetrating runs from the Mezalla.

Thank you
I have not thought of that. It's a really good idea, I will try that and see how it turns out :thup:

May 30, 2020

For those interested my 12 listed posts in the OP is 116 pages in size 14. WITHOUT pictures or gifs :idiot:

May 30, 2020

Role Breakdown.
This will be a shorter version than I usually do, I think most knows how I reason at this point. If anything is unclear do not hesitate to ask.

•Goalkeeper.
· Sweeper Keeper support.
‣ Helps with building from the back. Plays well with ball playing defenders.
‣ Leaves his area to sweep up overhit through balls from the opposition.
‣ Might launch quick counter attacks.
· Mentality: Attacking.
· Personal Instructions: -

•Right and left Central Defender.
· Ball playing defender defend.
‣ Helps with building from the back. Plays well with the sweeper keeper.
‣ Has to be comfortable on the ball.
‣ Might pass longer vertical passes at times. Most of the time they build up play patiently though.
· Mentality: Balanced.
· Personal Instructions: -

This image shows “The movement of the ball-playing defender, with the dotted yellow lines representing the more direct through-balls he will attempt to play” - Strikerless.com.

(Image from Strikerless)

•Centre-Central defender.
· Central defender cover.
‣ On cover the central defender will drop back more. Acting almost as an old school sweeper with some PI’s (or as close to it as we can get in the ME).
‣ Requires outstanding ability to read the game.
‣ Pass short passes to the SKs or BPDd’s.
· Mentality: Balanced.
· Personal Instructions: Close down less. Ease off tackles.

Spoiler

With less closing down and ease of tackles the player shall be forced to use his anticipation, composure and concentration. Prefering to intercept and being on step ahead of the op. rather than tackle them. Finesse defending over brute force.

The movement of the central defender on cover duty. “On a cover setting, the defender behaves less aggressive, dropping deeper than the others in the defensive line to deal with through-balls that penetrate the defensive line”. Image and explanation from Strikerless.

•Defensive Midfielder.
· Deep lying playmaker support.
‣ Brings the ball out of the defence, up to the midfielders. Either by dribbling or passing.
‣ Crucial that he can get the ball often, with options around him, a creative hub.
‣ Must stay somewhat in his position as the only player shielding the back three.
· Mentality: Attacking. Must be monitored carefully. Might need to adjust duty or remove “focus play through the middle”.
· Personal Instructions: More direct passes.

This shows the DLPs positioning and movement compared to the defensive duty and a roaming playmaker.

(Image from Strikerless)

•Right and left midfielder.
· Wide midfielder support.
‣ Only player that is tasked with keeping the width.
‣ Great stamina as a lone wide player is essential.
‣ Must be able to both defend and add some bite in the attacking phase.
· Mentality: Positive.
· Personal Instructions: Stay wider, get further forward (dropped vs strong teams).

This image is originally supposed to show wing backs movement, I do think my wide midfielders on support moves in quite the same way, the biggest difference is probably the starting positions (WMs starts a bit higher up the pitch).

(Image from Strikerless)

•Central midfielder right.
· Central midfielder support.
‣ Offer assistance in the build up, stay close to the DLP.
‣ Assist in the attacks.
‣ Utility man, help in defence and overload the half-spaces too.
· Mentality: Positive.
· Personal Instructions: Moves into channels, get further forward (is added when we struggle to break down teams). Another alternation is changing duty to attacking.

This roughly shows the CMs starting position compared to CMa and CMd.

(Image from Strikerless)

•Central midfielder left.
· Mezzala attack.
‣ Run with the ball. Take on opponents and use trickery and gile to get past them.
‣ Move into half-spaces. With his movement and on the ball ability, this player is a key to break down opposition teams.
‣ One of the first to start the pressing once possession is lost.
· Mentality: Very Attacking.
· Personal Instructions: -

The image shows Mezzala on supports movement and positioning compared to the attacking version.

(Image from Strikerless)

•Striker on the right side.
· False nine.
‣ Drop deep. Overload the midfield.
‣ Pull opposing central defenders out of position.
‣ Supposed to either dribble with the ball or play through balls.
· Mentality: Balanced.
· Personal Instructions: -

The False Nine is similar to a Trequartista but is taking far more responsibility for the defensive phase of the game. F9s positioning and work areas compared to the Trequartista.

(Image from Strikerless)

•Striker on the left side.
· Deep lying forward support.
‣ Is supposed to offer something different, the player in the team with least ball playing expectations on him. Pace, balance and pace is rated highly for this role.
‣ Also supposed to drop deep, but not as deep as the false nine. Holding up the ball for the rest of the team to take new more advanced positions.
‣ Is supposed to be the one furthest forward quite often. Need to contribute with enough goals.
· Mentality: Balanced.
· Personal Instructions: -

The starting position and movement of the DLF on support respectively attack.

(Image from Strikerless)

Key players.
Let's move on to some of the most important players in the team. The team now will be based on the three man back line. Which means, for us to be stable, the defenders will have to be very good. It is important that they are fast, strong and intelligent. Later onI will probably need better ball players than I have today. It's also key that my central defenders start to learn key PPM’s.
· Brings ball out of defense.
· Tries to play out of trouble.

In the heart of the back three there will be two men used most of the time. Nehuen Perez and Jose Gimenez, both are great defenders. Perez a notch ahead when it comes to defending and Gimenez is probably the better ball player. Both have good personalities (Spirited/Perfectionist). They both have world-class mental abilities with outstanding anticipation, aggression, bravery and concentration. This is my back lines answer to Andrea Barzagli.

First choice is Nehuen Perez.

Not far behind is Jose Gimenez.

The role for those? A role I discussed earlier, it's possible the closest this FM version comes to a classic sweeper.

Both have at least 15 in:
·Anticipation - Ability to predict and react to events.
·Concentration - Mental focus & attention to detail.
·Positioning - Ability to read a situation and take the best possible position.
·Bravery - Commitment to sacrifice himself for the team.
·Marking - Ability to stick close to the opposition.
·Tackling - Ability to win the ball cleanly.
All important for the sweeper role, particularly the three first listed attributes.

Spoiler

Explantions for the attributes listed above are partially from @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! s Caixa futebol academy thread.

On each side of the “sweeper” there will be a ball playing defender. Here we will use two other good players. Joao Jose will play to the left of the sweeper, he is a nicer version of Chiellini (low bravery). Except from that he is really a talented defender, hopefully he can learn to be more expansive with his passing too, then he will be a really really good BPD.

On the other side is a well rounded defender with good passing ability and aggressive traits. Takehiro Tomiyasu will bring ball playing ability and will have to act as our Bonucci, even if it is just a bleak copy of the original player. His physique is well rounded and he is composed and has good concentration.

As for now the deepest four players look like this:

For the most important position in my whole system I will use the agening club legend Koke. He is a bit slow now but he is excellent both technically and mentally (mentals are AMAZING 1 attribute below 14). Koke will mainly be used as our deep lying playmaker. Interesting traits too, not my preferred but it makes for a bit of an unusual interpretation of the role. Koke has those traits:
· Shoots from distance.
· Tries long range passes.
· Runs with the ball rarely.
· Curls ball.
· Cross early.
Thos traits will promote passing as the first option. Leading to us playing a faster ball moving football. This will add verticality to our style.

The role (DLPs) acts like this.

Douglas Thales who I recently bought will be playing the games Koke can’t handle or if we need a more physical presence here. I listed PPM’s I find useful for possession football here. For playmakers those are the ones I listed.
· Dictates tempo.
· Pass alternating PPMs (not more than two).
· Comes deep to collect the ball.
· Curls ball.

Situational.
· Brings ball out of defense.
· Tries to play out of trouble.
· Runs with the ball through centre/Left wing/Right wing.
· Plays 1-2.
· Runs with ball often.
· Stops play.

Thales who arrived for £18M has at the age of 21 already four good playmaking traits.
· Dictates tempo.
· Comes deep to collect the ball.
· Tries killer balls (1 pass manipulator).
· Plays 1-2.
In addition to him being a hard worker with silky touch (17) and an eagles vision (17). He will thus see openings others won’t, and have the skill to pull off advanced vertical passes.
Hopefully he can develop his personality a bit too. Balanced is OK but nothing more.

A clip including Douglas Thales as deep lying playmaker.

Adding the DLP to the formation we currently have this:

Last out of key players today will also be someone who soon must be recognized as a legend, Thomas Lemar (to be honest Lemar and Koke is “only” icons in the game). He has vision, technique, passing, agility, flair and much more. He will be played in central midfield as a Mezzala (first I intended to use this guy there). But after an amazing performance by Lemar in a 4-0 (all 4 goals) smashing he nailed down this position as his for now. Apart from being a very talented player Lemar comes with some interesting traits.
· Gets into the opposition area.
· Runs with the ball often.
· Shoots from distance.
· Cuts inside from both wings.
All adding something special to the Mezzala role. Except for cuts inside, I'm not sure it has any effect on central players.

Some clips in #3D from the game when Lemar walked in to the starting11.

And this shot, really spectacular. Ødegaard's pass is also in the top-top bracket.

One of the last I will show is Jose Marcelo (already linked). This is our best player and the initial thought was to use him in the middle of the pitch, the effects from moving him wide was better for the whole team though so now he is playing on the wings where he can use his pace, balance, dribbling, off the ball movement to create opportunities and cover ground. The wide roles here are very demanding as they are instructed to stay wider and get further forward at the same time as I expect them to help out in defence.
Jose Marcelo has the following traits:

· Cuts inside from both wings.
· Runs with the ball down left.
·Argues with officials.

Across the pitch from Jose Marcelo is a key part of our style and the one maybe must comfortable playing possession football - Martin Ödegård (or Ødegaard). Passing, dribbling, flair and touch this guy really has it all. Together with really good traits this player is a bit of a JDP catalyst for us. Iceing on the cake is his perfectionist personality.
· Get further forward.
· Dictates tempo
· Plays 1-2
· Looks for pass rather than attempt to score.
· Likes to beat man repeatedly.
· Cuts inside from right wing.

DLP, Mezzala and dual WMs with the last piece which is a regular CM on support with PI moves into channels added. Later on, this role might be changed to a box to box midfielder but Saul and Koke that will mostly play there probably do not have the legs for it (BBM) at this stage in their careers. Saul looks like this, not that impressive to be fair. Still he is a decent all round footballer with his mental abilities standing out.

This is how it looks in the Tactics creator. (midfield 5)

Last ones I will show are the most prolific strikers. First out is ex City man Luka Jovic. His personality has increased from Jovial to Spirited which is really good. He is currently rehabilitating from a damaged cruciate ligament. Jovic is a pure poacher and has 18 finishing and off the ball. 17 in anticipation and composure, a deadly marksman of the finest quality. Jovic has those traits:
· Cuts inside from both wings
· Moves into channels
· Places shots
· Tries first times shots

Jovic will probably play as DLF when he is back to full fitness. In the first game in charge one of our players did this. (DLFs)

The man playing upfront with Jovic will be comebacking homegrown-newgen Luis Cantu who left for Leipzig 4 years ago for ~£13M and now he was brought back as a first team ready player for £39M. Fairly ambitious and still only 22 years old. Cantu is strong, has a good touch and works very hard. He’s PPM’s are really good for the false nine role.
· Comes deep to collect ball
· Plays 1-2.
· Tries first times shots.
The last is questionable but it's not bad by definition.

Fun fact about Cantu, 7 or 8 years after he was generated into the game, he have scored his first goal for his boyhood club.

Here a newgen playing as F9 helps out in our deep build up.

The strike duo looks like this:

Backups I will just hide, look if you are interested, some are just fillers. Others are for mentoring and some have hopefully some potential.

Spoiler

Juan Manuel is a 20 year old keeper. Has 5 star potential.

Guillermo Lieder is a 21 year old central defender. Also 5 star potential.

Nuno Tavares is a 26 year old left flank player. He is a good backup.

Christian is a central midfielder. 5 star potential.

Felix Correia is a decent backup with nice traits to pass on to youngsters.

Valteir is a 22 year old striker. 4 star potential, already making strong claims for a starting spot.

Unai Benito is a 20 year old. Sitting on 3.5 stars guaranteed potential and possibly 4.5.

And the whole full tactic like this:

I still always start games with the listed TI’s and roles though. In a year or two I will add the pressing urgency. But for now I feel we need younger players for it. During games there have been some alterations which I have used so far are:
·DLFs changed to Pressing Forward attack.
·Removing dribble less and in that case adding lower tempo.
·Play out of defence is removed at times - then I add distribute to playmaker and also remove the distribute slower instruction.
·Lower the LOE+Removing prevents short goalkeeper distribution. Paired with maximum pressing urgency.

I'm still early into the season, but it seems promising so far. Top of the league and positive statistics.

The mentalities are as following :

DLFs Balanced - F9 Balanced
WMs Positive - Meza Very Attacking - CMs Positive - WMs Positive
DLPs - Attacking
BPDd Balanced - CDc Balanced - BPDd Balanced
SKs Attacking

The brief version:

BAL-BAL
POS-VA-POS-POS
ATT
BAL-BAL-BAL
ATT

Spoiler

(It seems everything that comes after this is centered for some reason, so Im putting it last.)

May 30, 2020

I resigned a few days after the Champions league final loss. I saw some interesting clubs that would be great for this project. I wrote up a Curriculum vitae and sent it out to a few directors. In the end I was interested in two clubs, Bayern München being one of them.

Decent facilities:

And the squad is impressive:

For me though, I felt that it would be like with Manchester City all over again, I wanted a bigger challenge. The other team I sent the CV to was not having the same quality at their facilities.

The team plays in the spanish league and is still quite strong, although sitting with an ageing squad. They have amassed a total of three league titles since the year 2000 (+2 in this save). Which places them third in the title table post 2000.

Their current (IRL) manager is Diego Simeone and the goal is to replicate the success he’s had with Atletico Madrid. If I can succeed to knock Real Madrid and Barcelona off their perch, it will be a great accomplishment. I will try to do it in another way though, Cholismo will be gone. Mainly through the same style as I have used before. Positional play, or well. As close to it as I can get in the ME.

As you can see the squad have kept quite a few profiles over the years. I will try to keep many of them for mentoring and also to fill vacancies in the squad. At this club I will have to be a bit more considerate with my transfer budget.

First when I took over the regular building of the backroom staff started. The loyal Jesus Perez left City with me, he was followed by Kolo Toure. Rui Faria and some others were after some persuasion also willing to follow me to the spanish capital. I also strengthened the coaching team with some more names, all with good enough personalities.

Yes, the style. This time I will use a back three. Inspiration for this will be relatively hard to come by, but if you are willing to stretch some requirements, there will guaranteedly be enough material for me to get a stable foundation. Juventus famous back three with Barzagli, Bonucci and Chiellini. The closest a backline have come to the fame of recent years forward trios, such as Barca’s trio Messi Suarez Nemar or MSN and the real dito. Bale, Benzema and Cristiano Ronaldo. Which actually has the same shortname as the italian defensive line. BBC. The reason for this back lines sucess was that they all added something different.

Giorgio Chiellini was ferocious. A physically imposing monster without fear, ready to throw himself in front of anything that came at him. Chiellini was also a fantastic leader of men and could really rally the troops for the last siege. Additionally he was not slow at his peak either. As he started off on the left side of the defence he was better with the ball than most remembers too. Which leads us to Leonardo Bonucci, the ball playing defender personified. Bonucci actually started out playing in the midfield. Something that you definitely can see when studying his ability on the ball. He is great at controlling the possession and hitting long accurate passes to midfielders or forwards. Often playing as a very deep playmaker. One of the greatest central defenders at resisting pressure from opponents. At times he also showed a reckless side and smashed down opponents with brutality, probably this comes from a great desire to always win. This thread's most quoted man has something to say about Bonucci too, just plain and simple “Bonucci…one of my favorite ever players”. -Pep Guardiola. That qoute alone says enough about Bonucci, what he plays like and at which level he is.

Andrea Barzagli was the last piece in that astonishing back three. This is what The Guardian wrote about him: “It’s easy to explain why Barzagli’s brilliance often goes unnoticed. He is conspicuously absent on social media and eschews the kind of demonstrativeness popular with some of his team-mates. His is a special strain of brilliance, a mastery of the defensive art that transcends statistical ratings. He may lack the grizzle and violence of Chiellini, but only because he doesn’t need it, his astute positioning rendering the last-minute tackle obsolete. As Chiellini puts it: “Andrea is our professor. He’s always in the right place at the right moment.”
Barzagli is not as refined as Bonucci, but the younger man looks comforted when paired with his more experienced team-mate. “I’ve played with many champions and I try to steal secrets from everybody,” says Bonucci. “But the player I like watching on the pitch the most is Barzagli. He’s unbeatable in one-on-ones, he’s impressive in training and he always gives 100%. Andrea is an example for everyone.”. So what did they each add to the trio?
•Barzagli
·Marking
·Composure
·Positioning.

•Bonucci
·Passing
·Ball control.
·Press resistance.

•Chiellini
·Leadership.
·Strength.
·Bravery.

Honestly, this back three was so good that I feel that it is really enough inspiration, if my defence can come close to this trios level I will be happy. The Juventus team of the CL final 14/15 looked like this except for one change. I removed a midfielder and added one central defender (Chiellini).

The #SQUAD.
What did I do with the squad? I sold some dead meat, the Oblak offer was just too good to turn down for a 33 year old keeper.

On the other hand we needed some more bodies. I also found that Ajax was a bit more easy to negotiate with this time around. Lieder was someone my scouts rated highly when I was at City, but then Ajax always wanted £100M+. At £53M it was still expensive, but I have faith in Lieder. Also there will be time to ease him into the team. Oblak needed replacement and it will come, I just wasn’t able to seal the deal before the deadline. A young croatian keeper from Dinamo Zagreb will arrive in January for a fee of £21M.

And the full squad, including ages, personalities and determination:

So we now know a decent amount about the current staff and group of players. As I said, Cholismo will be a distant memory. Now it's time to set up some grounds for the new era’s style.
•In possession.
·Patiently control the game, set the rhythm and pace of it. Patiently look for openings.
‣ Short passing.
‣ Lower tempo.
· Width, to stretch opponents. Make use of the whole field, more space for us.
‣ Use players that stay wider on each side of the pitch, eases switches of play, stretches opposition defences.
· Take advantage of space, use our small, intelligent and mobile players.
‣ Low crosses.
· Pass and move as a tool to get the ball moving with high speed. Suits intelligent players.
‣ Dribble less.
· Create overloads.
‣ Using different methods to gain numerical advantages. With this advantage, create overloads with extra and/or free men, force opponents to react. Then Switch play to the other side.
‣ False nine, a central attacker dropping to midfield for numerical superiority.
· Use half-spaces.
‣ Mezzala, the half space merchant, the inside winger. Half space addict.

•In transitions.
· Try to recover the ball quickly.
‣ Counterpress.
· Attack with pace and decisiveness.
‣ Counter.
·Disrupt and control the game.
‣ Slow down pace.

•Without possession.
· Press intensively.
‣ Stop the opposition to build from the back.
· Make the playing field small.
‣ High back line and engagement line.
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(Here there is no lower tempo nor urgent pressing, but it seems to be working anyway, I will keep this in mind though if I feel we are deviating too far away from our Jugo De Posicion “template”.)

•Shape (formation).
· Formation will have three central defenders. Like Cruyff's Barcelona.
‣ 3 at the back, helps with playing out of defence.
· Keeper must aid defenders playing out of defence.
‣ Sweeper keeper is therefore a must. It also helps with nummercial advantages.
· Flexible and adjusting after opposition.
‣ Spare man in defense, 2 central defenders + Defensive midfielder vs 1 striker formations. 3 Central defenders + DM versus two striker formations.
· There will be one player fielded in defensive midfield. He will be our playmaker.
‣ Here I could use a Regista, it fits the style as it is “The REG is a more aggressive version of the DLP.. suitable for possession.. press high up the pitch.. Given complete freedom to dictate play from deep positions, the Regista offers a dynamic and unpredictable creative outlet.. from behind the attack who seeks to maintain intense pressure by constantly looking for new chances..”
‣ Complete freedom and dynamism. Normally something I like from a playmaker. But as a lone DM I will need something that is more secure and stable.
‣ The deep lying playmaker is stable, he is probably the most secure out of all playmaker roles. Suitable for a lone defensive midfielder.
‣ Still creative, his job is to link defence and midfield.
‣ Focus play through the middle. Support duty, which will let him bring the ball out of defence and allow him to operate with a more expansive passing range. All together it leaves the DLPs with attacking mentality.
· Width. One player on each side will keep the width, it is a demanding task.
‣ 2 wide midfielders on support will be tasked with this job, they will be told to stay wider. This is our only wideplayers. Duty is set to support, to work both offensively and defensively.
· Two forwards will occupying opposition defenders or asking them different questions.
‣ Both will be attackers dropping to midfield for numerical superiority. One will dribble with the ball, using agility and trickery. The other will hold it up with balance and strength.
‣ False nine and deep lying forward. PPM’s will be needed for this behaviour. Drops deep to collect the ball will be learned for the F9. Plays with his back towards goal for the DLF.

That leaves us with this:

All but one position is mentioned. What kind of players are we looking for then?
•Complete players. To be considered complete they will need the following.
· Very intelligent players.
‣ Anticipation.
‣ Decisions.
‣ Off the ball movement.
‣ Work rate.

· Technically adept players.
‣ First touch.
‣ Passing.
‣ First touch.

· Physically good enough players.
‣ Stamina.
‣ Acceleration.
‣ Agility.

The long term goal is to get the players to reach 14+ under every attribute listed under intelligence, 13+ for technical abilities and 12+ for the physical. As a start, when this is reached I will increase the threshold.

•Young players.
· Can have them for a long time.
‣ High re-sell value.
‣ Demands lower wages.
· More flexible than older players.
‣ Shapeable. Can easier and faster learn new PPM’s.
‣ Room to develop.

Younger players are often not fully developed, hence I can mould them into players I like, considering attribute spread. I can also learn those individuals' good traits more effectively. Last but not least, they can develop. I can buy potential but in the end getting world-class players.

May 29, 2020

I think this does occur if you ”follow” clubs that you are interested in manageing.

May 28, 2020

4 minutes ago, CaptCanuck said:

@Djuicer - https://www.passion4fm.com/football-manager-player-attributes/

Scroll down to "The Attribute Analysis - The polygon" section.

Thank you :thup:

May 28, 2020

Just now, Experienced Defender said:

This is a good question, and I myself am also not sure about it. I would assume the attacking (in this context) would include off the ball, passing, crossing, finishing, long shots...

But I guess @Seb Wassell knows the exact answer.

Yes, the two players compared for example

Have vison 16 which shows in the image as 14. Anticipation is 15. Flair 12.
Have 15 and it shows as 15. Anticipation is 16 too. Flair 15.

Although I have no clue if those are in the vision category..

May 28, 2020

In this:

What are the actual attributes measured under for example attacking? (looking for every group if someone knows)

May 28, 2020

Some thoughts if I feel my team is getting into a slump. So, if my team struggles to play as I want them too, which metods are my prefered to solve this problem?

First I use the eye-test. Do I like what I see on the pitch?

I try to find out the following - What is it that I don't like? Are we vulnerable at any particular place in our defensive shape?
How can this be fixed?

Swap a role or a duty?
Change personnel?
Add a body deeper down the field?
Lower our defensive line or line of engagement?
Decrease pressing intensity?
Too low tempo? inviting to much pressure?
Too high tempo? us losing control of the ball in bad areas.

The same is considered regarding attacks. Do we not create enough? To restrictive roles? Too adventurous which make us lose possession too easily?

What could be the reason?

No penetration?
To narrow?
To wide?
Can this be changed with personel? (ex someone with good defensive attributes vs someone with more weigth on their offensive game)
Roles or duties?
Do we need more runners? (ex BBM/CMa) or creativity? (ex AP and IW) [Runners are sort of the same as penetration]
Add more players that are positioned higher?

Otherwise I tend to look at role specific stats. Let's say I feel my playmaker doesn't get the ball enough, what can give me a clue if I'm on something or not? Is this actually true or is it just in my head so to speak.
A good starting point for a playmaker is where he collects the ball.

Passes received. Is he involved enough? And at places that I have envisioned.
Passes attempted. Does he try to pass enough? What do I deem is enough?
Key passes, is he hitting them? how many per game? What do I expect from the playmaker?
Chance creation, this is ofcourse pending due to formation and position of the playmaker, deployment further forward increases the pressure/demand on him to create more.

I have this view which I use too.

May 28, 2020

Some thoughts if I feel my team is getting into a slump. So, if my team struggles to play as I want them too, which metods are my prefered to solve this problem?

First I use the eye-test. Do I like what I see on the pitch?

I try to find out the following - What is it that I don't like? Are we vulnerable at any particular place in our defensive shape?
How can this be fixed?

Swap a role or a duty?
Change personnel?
Add a body deeper down the field?
Lower our defensive line or line of engagement?
Decrease pressing intensity?
Too low tempo? inviting to much pressure?
Too high tempo? us losing control of the ball in bad areas.

The same is considered regarding attacks. Why do we not create enough? To restrictive roles? Too adventurous which make us lose possession too easily?

What could be the reason?

No penetration?
To narrow?
To wide?
Can this be changed with personel? (ex someone with good defensive attributes vs someone with more weigth on their offensive game)
Roles or duties?
Do we need more creativity? (ex AP and IW)
Add more players that are positioned higher?

Otherwise I tend to look at role specific stats. Let's say I feel my playmaker doesn't get the ball enough, what can give me a clue if I'm on something or not? Is this actually true or is it just in my head so to speak.

A good starting point for a playmaker is where he collects the ball.

Passes received. Is he involved enough? And at places that I have envisioned.
Passes attempted. Does he try to pass enough? What do I deem is enough?
Key passes, is he hitting them? how many per game? What do I expect from the playmaker?
Chance creation, this is ofcourse pending due to formation and position of the playmaker, deployment further forward increases the pressure/demand on him to create more.

I have this view which I use too.

May 28, 2020

20 hours ago, Justified said:

I would have him on the right as a IW but also if the left winger is versatile I'd have him swap positions with that player throughout the match

Good call, I might try this too :thup:

May 28, 2020

2 hours ago, skyline72 said:

2x "8"s?

You can call them that . Oh well, one might be to attacking to be considered an eight I suppose.

May 28, 2020

As always you deliver!

Nice way to use under-used roles. Especially uplifting to hear anything about the "extinct" defensive winger. No one seems to use it.

May 28, 2020

7 hours ago, Amazingortega said:

Do you use AM ? Or just CM only

No AM

May 27, 2020

Update, he is now playing down the left. Seems to be working nice. He was moved due to the greater good of the team. Him to the left removed the then leftmidfielder and a vacancy was left open centrally for a better player than the original left winger.

May 27, 2020

18 minutes ago, skyline72 said:

Im sorry, but how does the individual mentality affect the team?

If the whole team are all the same eg. All positive, they will be more compact?

In this 41221, wouldnt you want the IF(very attacking) to do their job which is to put thr ball in the net? Why bring it down to attacking with the overlap instruction?

Yes, all will be more compact with the same mentality (or close mentalities).

Sure, but it won't be total football if there are to big diffrences. Remeber its supposed to be fluent, and every player is supposed to be attacking and defending together. Very attacking players will not do that. Which means no total football.

May 27, 2020

3 minutes ago, AndersAas said:

Inside forward + overlap makes it:

So better than very attacking at least. So its either IF and overlap or a customised IW to get positive on both.

Thats incorrect. The LBs gets attacking.

May 27, 2020

19 minutes ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:
Looks excellent, nice work! Extremely minor, but my only other suggestion would be to maybe up the defensive line/line of engagement as you really want that aggressive press.

Ah, yes. I was wondering how long it'd take to run into limitations on the FM2020 tactics creator!

My first observation would be that looking at the PIs the Inverted Winger and the Inside Forward are identical aside from mentality however there may be some hard-coded behaviour, as otherwise the change is utterly pointless.

In my system both have the same instructions but Jota could certainly be described as an Inverted Winger whereas Embalo more of a wide forward so I would suggest deciding based on the player.

I do not like the idea of 'very attacking' whilst the others are positive. That doesn't sound much like he'll be contributing to defence at all.

Does Inside Forward + Overlap give you:
            Pos
Att                     Att
      Pos         Pos
            Pos
Att   Pos         Pos   Att
            Pos
?

If so I think that looks pretty good. I actually think I direct replication of my system would be everyone on Attack but not sure how it's possible in FM2020. The labels are really subjective and 14 out of 20 would be on a boundary between Positive and Attack so it'd be extremely marginal. Just my OCD coming out again really

I don't know why on earth they don't scrap Duties all together and just let you pick an Individual Mentality anyway..

I wrote about this in a thread a while ago, I did not use any over/underlap. EDIT, WITH O/U-lap you do get that mentality on the wings with IF.

Spoiler

Next up will be my two advanced wide players. This was a role I was having problems deciding. I wanted both players to be able to give me width, which is something all wide roles except the raumdeuter can give you. Secondly I was not sure I wanted the wide players to be limited in their movement to strictly stick to the sidelines, that excluded the wingers. Thirdly with a trequartista up top I did not want more of those on the flanks. I did not either want any regular playmakers on the wings. Regarding wide target men I do not have players in that mould, nor do I want to use them. This leaves us with two roles left, the inverted winger and the inside forward. This was originally my plan, to use one of each on either side, but there was a huge but here - the inside forward could not paired with the rest of the tactical setup get a mentality lower than very attacking and with the trequartista already being at that mentality I decided against that role. So now the only role left is the inverted winger.

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Inverted Winger Pro’s and Con’s:
Pro's:
*Flexible - Can stay wide, cut inside, take more or less risk with passes etc.
*Creative
*Tracks back
*Is a goal threat.
*Positive mentality is fairly balanced for such an offensively fielded player.

Con's:
*Compared the the inside forward the inverted winger is less of a goal threat.
*Too much customization can make the role to take on too much responsibility.
*Positive mentality might not be willing to take enough risk.

The Inverted Winger is very flexible and can be customised to do a lot of different jobs, with a support duty there is only two locked in behaviours for the role. Cuts inside with the ball and dribble more. I used two different versions of the IW though. One on the right handed side, which I order the IWs to do two more things, get further forward and stay wider. This to get the IWs to keep the width and contribute more in attack. Sometimes the get further forward is removed.

In the game the IWs looks like this:

On the left is where I wanted the inside forward, but I could not get it to work as I wanted it to (read to high mentality). So I compromised and created the inverted wing forward, or IWFs as he from now on will be known as. This player has the same Personal instructions (PI) as the right one (get further forward, stay wider) but it was also given cross less often and take more risk to create a player that was more inclined to pass rather than to cross. Hopefully this will also make the player play more as an inside forward because it now has all of the PIs an inside forward has (yes I know there are hard-coded differences).

May 27, 2020

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Im at my new team, first game in the league. Using 2 strikers and 3 central defenders

May 27, 2020

12 hours ago, Zemahh said:

I see Get Stuck In, I follow.

And if you are a ref. Well does he actually hit? yellow seems fair.

May 27, 2020

13 hours ago, Zemahh said:

^

I assume this is more related to risk-taking, than actual passing style. While defenders will take more risks on higher mentalities and look to prioritize keeping possession by playing around the press instead of aimlessly clearing it long, you can still change their actual passing length with instructions.

Basically, for defenders shorter passes are considered riskier than direct ones, because there's a chance of them being intercepted close to goal. An example of that would be No-Nonsense Centre-Back having More Direct Passing instruction locked in.

For advanced players, on the other hand, it's the opposite. Shorter passes tend to be safer, because they're keeping possession far away from your goal.

I assume this is what that table is trying to say. Actual passing length is influenced by your instructions, but on lower mentalities defenders might be more inclined to clear it long under pressure, instead of following your Shorter Passing instructions at all times.

It does not mention positions at all though, just duties.

Apart from that your points seems reasonable. :thup:

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