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I am currently working on something Brazilian and with Positional Play elements. This year's ME is too good not to integrate the new position switching into any tactic, Jogo Bonito included. I love the fact that it made it easier than ever to defend (out of possession shape, the one you see in tactic creator) in one way and attack (in possession) in completely different way. For Brazilian football this means that the narrow Magic Box tactic is better than ever. Now we can actually have a decent way to defend the flanks while keeping the narrow attack and ball progression as lethal as ever before. Anyway I will write more in-detail on this soon. So stay tuned

I haven't played geggenpress yet in FM24 but in FM23 I used this combo of "high line of engagement" and "prevent distribution" to much success to push opposition keeper and defenders into errors where they would lose composure and just boot the ball long upfield where my central midfielders and CBs had a field day intercepting such panicked passes. This is the reason why you can never go wrong with having good jumpers in the midfield. I stopped doing this in FM23 because it just felt like an exploit after awhile. Not sure if it's still as effective in FM24.

It can work but its not ideal. You will get best results from "prevent short" instruction when using gegenpress type tactics and formation. For example a top heavy formation like 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-4 coupled with high defensive line and high line of engagement. Not to say that it wont block with "midblock", just wont get the best results from it.

I don't even know why this thread is still up. It's not contributing anything to tactical discussion about set pieces. Just a platform for OP to complain about his favourite corner exploit tactic not working anymore.

Thanks, I'm glad you are enjoying the thread Shadow Striker is one of my favourite roles in FM and in every version of the game I usually try to create a tactic to get the best out of it. It's fun and challenging/frustrating at the same time. Frustration often comes from the fact that you need a specific type of player to excell in this role. A mix of great mentals of a midfielder with attacking technical instinct of a striker and not to mention relatively good acceleration/pace. Bayern's Muller used to be my go-to player for this role but he is starting to lose his legs due to age. In FM24, Aston Villa's Ollie Watkins looks like he might be almost perfect for this role. Exceptional workrate married to great finishing, off the ball and physical attributes. I think you are right about the tactic getting too overloaded in the middle. To create more space for your SS you will need to play wider. Use W(S) on one flank and then another supporting role like IW(s) or even WM(S) on the other flank. Then at least one fullback/wingback to also provide width. The trick is also not to take away from from your Shadow Striker's limelight by using IF. I would really focus on overloading the opposition down the middle via SS and maybe another central attack like SV(A) but if you do that make sure to have an inverted wingback tuck inside to cover for the Segundo Volante who will move into AM strata due to Positional Play.

If you actually want to get some contribution/help from like-minded FM players, then post about this in downloads section where game exploits and "meta" tactics are discussed and shared. https://community.sigames.com/forums/forum/67-tactics-sharing-centre-uploaddownload/ Every time a new patch comes out, Match engine exploits like some set piece routines are "broken". So you probably will get most help about this in section of forum that deals with those kinds of tactics, not here. PS: this last patch was a data patch so I don't even think anything about ME was changed. So not even sure what your problem is.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The claim that this year's ME is only geared towards Geggenpress attacking is a lazy response that doesn't take many factors into account. In fact that claim has been around since FM19 or FM20 at least or around the time when geggenpress changes (counterpress instruction, line of engagement, ect) to tactics creator have been around. Sure you could download one of them "meta" Geggen tactics (you know which ones, especially those with maxed tactical intensity in the red zone and every single team instruction selected) and then win every trophy with Luton. Or you could actually take time and set up your defence so it actually makes sense and fits with your team. Or actually check which opposition you play or whether it's Away or Home game. Make little tweaks match to match, rest your key players. Give team talks and maintain good morale. That takes time and effort and is most definitely not lazy. And it shows via results, especially in defending stats.

Tactical section is not a place for this discussion. Especially regarding outside links from other sites

When you play Inside Forward on attack, what role do you play your primary central striker in? Surely not attacking one like AF? Otherwise they would be occupying the same area, contesting the space, no?

The best way to create that is probably just a basic 4-4-1-1 with DLF (or False 9) and Shadow Striker in AMC position. Had good success with that so far. Although mind you my AMC is not even traditional SS role, just a generic AM(A).

Don't want to burst your bubble, but you do realize that all the fan tweets are the same? Like 1 positive, 1 negative, 1 neutral. Always that same formula after each match But totally the best thing about FM is that everyone can play it however they want.

Haha sorry I meant "hold shape" team instruction Fixed it

Another constant in all my possession tactics is "hold shape". Never leave tactic creation screen without adding that one.

Getting rid of slow defenders is usually the first priority I tackle when I promote a team up. In top divisions with fast, technical attackers nothing will hurt your defense more than slow CBs. Even if you tell your team to play with lower defensive line.

One Ball playing Defender (with individual instruction to dribble more) alongside a more traditional defender. Invariably I will have this paired with a Sweeper Keeper. In FM24 I stopped using "play out of defence" instruction (i don't like how it pulls my midfielders back and causes issues when I'm pressed by opposition). Instead I prefer to instruct my SK to pass specifically to my BPD who will bring it up by dribbling (has to be a decent dribbler obviously) with it or passing to the midfielders or fullbacks.

Which year do you usually get to?

Very thought-provoking stuff 🤔 Will definitely look forward for more.

Definitely you need a much bigger sample size for this to be a proper experiment. If I am lucky and beat PSG as underdog twice it might seem like they are a crap team just from that sample and from one manager data. But that's not really the case in the game now is it. All I am making is assumptions too. Maybe others can chime who have experimented with this further. Personally, I have a feeling that the difference might be very negligible. Not unless you are using exploitive set piece tricks.

The difference is basically this. If you leave set pieces alone and don't touch any settings then of course you will still score some goals from set pieces. But it won't be as efficient if you were actually to go in and tweak it to suit your team. Some people even to this exploit the match engine, messing with specific set piece settings to score 30+ set piece goals per season. It's still possible in FM24 but I have no idea how to do it. If you allow AI to handle it yourself then the AI will do it with various levels of effectiveness depending on quality of coach its meant to represent, just like AI managers with better attributes do better in matches then ones with terrible ones. Against other AI at least. So yes, set piece coaches with great attributes will score you more goals. And it will probably be more than if you did nothing at all to the set piece settings. But not as good as if you set it up yourself. But that's the whole point. Some people like myself hate dealing with set pieces and rather delegate everything about them to an assistant. It's better than doing nothing at all.

I think what you are doing makes sense. Compressing the defence is always a good thing in Defence-First systems. Meaning pushing the defensive line while at same time maintaining midblock or even lower line of engagement. At this point just test it out and see how you fare against tougher teams. Also, try to get defenders and midfielders with better mental attributes. If you remember back to the 1st page of this thread, I cannot stress how important those are. Good luck and don't give up! @mikcheck I'll try to play some more games and post something this weekend.

Current ability such as physical attributes of newgens is not really controlled by HoYD. For that you would need to increase your Junior Coaching.

I would get Filippo Galli. His favourite formation is 4-4-2 which is pretty close to 4-4-1-1. Also he is a Model Citizen. It's in my opinion the best personality that you could have for HoYD. Newgens who can inherit this personality are very prized. Finally, his attribute spread is the best out of all the choices you showed

I agree with @herne79 you can't really see major issues with a good tactic until you play at least a half dozen competitive matches with it, both at home and away, and see how your players respond to it. The tactic might suit your team really well, or could be the opposite. You won't know until you try. I don't see any major faults with yours aside from it being a little too conservative in role and duty selection. But then I'm not familiar with Notts County team and their status in the league. Where does the media predict you will finish? If it's in the top 5 then I would definitely take more risks with roles or just general team mentality.

I experimented with both and just found us more effective in breaking up those pesky parked buses when playing with CM pivot. I find myself facing more and more of them now. Dropping them down DM strata would definitely make sense for tougher games against superior opponents. Regarding the low crosses, I did have it selected in the previous version of the tactic because Chechu is not the tallest guy but is rather fast. But then my main backup Sadiq came back from a loan this season and he is great at jumping so AI thought "mixed" would better benefit both of them.

Having the best possible set piece coach is a huge advantage. Personally I always hated tinkering with set pieces so having the ability to leave this to AI has been a godsend in FM24. Best feature haha.