Raptor Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 After an 11-8 victory in the second round, HD's entry is our new Official Challenge. Phase 1 – The Shire This is the initial stage of the Challenge. Choose any team from the top division in England or Scotland and stay there for two seasons enjoying good times. Phase 2 – The Road to Rivendell The decision to leave the Shire is a surprising one, and must be made during your third or fourth season (any time after the season update at the end of season 2) at the club from Phase 1. The road to Rivendell is fraught with danger, and is not a journey you ever planned to take. In game terms this involves dropping down at least two divisions to a poor team (flexible on this, basically not a “big†side that’s been relegated since the game started, a rich side, or a team looking in a good position to be promoted.) Complete Phase 2 by reaching “Rivendell†– the top division - with this team. Phase 3 – Rivendell Rivendell is a peaceful place. This phase is similar to Phase 1 and requires only two complete relegation-free seasons in the top flight. The timeframe for moving at the end is the same as for Phase 1. Phase 4 – The Fellowship of the Ring Eventually you must leave Rivendell and proceed towards Mordor. Find a job at a club in a European league (France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Norway, Portugal or Sweden) at no higher than the Third Tier of football. (e.g. Second Division in Sweden, Serie C1 in Italy, National in France) (and for bonus lambas points preferably lower!) Lead this club to the top flight, the Fellowship must then split. At this stage you, the challenger have a choice to make – will you follow the path of Frodo and Sam and make your way to Mordor, or go with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli to face the challenges of Helm’s Deep and Minas Tirith? Phase 5a – Frodo & Sam This part of the challenge relates to our noble hobbits’ journey from the time they leave the Fellowship behind to the time they reach the long stair to Shelob’s lair. Without their guides Frodo and Sam become disoriented – you too will feel this as you move to a league you have never managed in before (or if you’re sad enough to have tried them all, one you’ve not used much). This can be any league, you can set it up at the start, though my instinct is to suggest an Eastern European league. Do ensure you go in no higher than the second tier. Your first task is to create your “Gollum†– do this by repeatedly fining a player until he hates you. This player must be selected in every match, barring injury and suspension. Phase 5a is complete when you again reach the top flight in your new country. Phase 5b – Legolas, Aragorn & Gimli The equivalent journey for our three friends takes them from the shores of the river to their arrival at Helm’s Deep. The key elements involve tracking an enemy, reviving a friend, beating a retreat. Take a club in England or Scotland (whichever you DIDN’T use in Phase 1) who have a rival in a higher division. Firstly achieve promotion to their division and secondly reach the top flight before them (or if they are a top flight club, finish above them in the top flight). This completes Phase 5b Phase 6a – Shelob Having reached the top flight you encounter a nasty challenge – survival. Stay up and you complete Phase 6a, go down and Shelob has killed you. You should sell or release your “Gollum†at the start of this Phase. Phase 6b – Helm’s Deep This is not the toughest challenge you will face, but still the odds are against you. Given the nature of the division, and the story of Helm’s Deep any players signed after the end of Phase 5b cannot be used until the final ten games of the next season. Complete the Phase by surviving, if this is your first season up, or finishing with more points than in your best season in the top flight to date if not. Phase 7a – Crossing Mordor Despite gaining some familiarity with your new surroundings, there are still dangers and challenges to face. Complete Phase 7a by qualifying for Europe with your team. If you do this easily it is clear you prefer the movie version of LOTR to the books. Phase 7b – The Paths of the Dead You now face a tough path, you must leave your current team, but remain in the country, dropping to the lowest league division (Third Division in either country) and persuade the “dead†to play. In other words you can only use current squad members or players acquired on free transfers. To qualify as “dead†the player must not have played a competitive game in the preceding season. These restrictions apply until you rejoin the Riders of Rohan and meet up with the people of Gondor at Minas Tirith – the top division! Phase 8a – Mount Doom This is the hardest part of your challenge, you must win the UEFA Champions League (or UEFA Cup if you’re a pussy), but first you must resign your “Gollumâ€, whatever the cost. This need not be immediate, but your European triumph will only count if he has played every competitive game in that season, barring injury and suspension. If he is injured or suspended for the final it doesn’t count. Phase 8b – Minas Tirith Signing restrictions are off and your simple challenge is to win a European trophy with the club you are at, preferably the Champions League. Phase 9 – The Scourging of the Shire Whether you followed path a or b you must now return to the Shire. If your team from Phase 1 has fallen out of the top flight you can return there, else take control of another “big†team which is no longer in the top division and complete the challenge by winning a domestic title. For a definition of “big†use common sense, or consult myself at the relevant time. Notes Minimum number of divisions needed is 8 when attempting the “Frodo†challenge (e.g. 3x Scotland, 3x France, 2x Poland) or 10 for “Aragorn†(eg 4x England, 3x Scotland, 3x France.) Obviously you will want to take your own specs into account when deciding on additional leagues/divisions and database size. What would be really cool would be 2 people doing this as a net game, one as Aragorn, one as Frodo. This would require a minimum of 12 divisions (eg 4x Scotland, 3x England, 3x France, 2x Poland.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 After an 11-8 victory in the second round, HD's entry is our new Official Challenge. Phase 1 – The Shire This is the initial stage of the Challenge. Choose any team from the top division in England or Scotland and stay there for two seasons enjoying good times. Phase 2 – The Road to Rivendell The decision to leave the Shire is a surprising one, and must be made during your third or fourth season (any time after the season update at the end of season 2) at the club from Phase 1. The road to Rivendell is fraught with danger, and is not a journey you ever planned to take. In game terms this involves dropping down at least two divisions to a poor team (flexible on this, basically not a “big†side that’s been relegated since the game started, a rich side, or a team looking in a good position to be promoted.) Complete Phase 2 by reaching “Rivendell†– the top division - with this team. Phase 3 – Rivendell Rivendell is a peaceful place. This phase is similar to Phase 1 and requires only two complete relegation-free seasons in the top flight. The timeframe for moving at the end is the same as for Phase 1. Phase 4 – The Fellowship of the Ring Eventually you must leave Rivendell and proceed towards Mordor. Find a job at a club in a European league (France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Norway, Portugal or Sweden) at no higher than the Third Tier of football. (e.g. Second Division in Sweden, Serie C1 in Italy, National in France) (and for bonus lambas points preferably lower!) Lead this club to the top flight, the Fellowship must then split. At this stage you, the challenger have a choice to make – will you follow the path of Frodo and Sam and make your way to Mordor, or go with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli to face the challenges of Helm’s Deep and Minas Tirith? Phase 5a – Frodo & Sam This part of the challenge relates to our noble hobbits’ journey from the time they leave the Fellowship behind to the time they reach the long stair to Shelob’s lair. Without their guides Frodo and Sam become disoriented – you too will feel this as you move to a league you have never managed in before (or if you’re sad enough to have tried them all, one you’ve not used much). This can be any league, you can set it up at the start, though my instinct is to suggest an Eastern European league. Do ensure you go in no higher than the second tier. Your first task is to create your “Gollum†– do this by repeatedly fining a player until he hates you. This player must be selected in every match, barring injury and suspension. Phase 5a is complete when you again reach the top flight in your new country. Phase 5b – Legolas, Aragorn & Gimli The equivalent journey for our three friends takes them from the shores of the river to their arrival at Helm’s Deep. The key elements involve tracking an enemy, reviving a friend, beating a retreat. Take a club in England or Scotland (whichever you DIDN’T use in Phase 1) who have a rival in a higher division. Firstly achieve promotion to their division and secondly reach the top flight before them (or if they are a top flight club, finish above them in the top flight). This completes Phase 5b Phase 6a – Shelob Having reached the top flight you encounter a nasty challenge – survival. Stay up and you complete Phase 6a, go down and Shelob has killed you. You should sell or release your “Gollum†at the start of this Phase. Phase 6b – Helm’s Deep This is not the toughest challenge you will face, but still the odds are against you. Given the nature of the division, and the story of Helm’s Deep any players signed after the end of Phase 5b cannot be used until the final ten games of the next season. Complete the Phase by surviving, if this is your first season up, or finishing with more points than in your best season in the top flight to date if not. Phase 7a – Crossing Mordor Despite gaining some familiarity with your new surroundings, there are still dangers and challenges to face. Complete Phase 7a by qualifying for Europe with your team. If you do this easily it is clear you prefer the movie version of LOTR to the books. Phase 7b – The Paths of the Dead You now face a tough path, you must leave your current team, but remain in the country, dropping to the lowest league division (Third Division in either country) and persuade the “dead†to play. In other words you can only use current squad members or players acquired on free transfers. To qualify as “dead†the player must not have played a competitive game in the preceding season. These restrictions apply until you rejoin the Riders of Rohan and meet up with the people of Gondor at Minas Tirith – the top division! Phase 8a – Mount Doom This is the hardest part of your challenge, you must win the UEFA Champions League (or UEFA Cup if you’re a pussy), but first you must resign your “Gollumâ€, whatever the cost. This need not be immediate, but your European triumph will only count if he has played every competitive game in that season, barring injury and suspension. If he is injured or suspended for the final it doesn’t count. Phase 8b – Minas Tirith Signing restrictions are off and your simple challenge is to win a European trophy with the club you are at, preferably the Champions League. Phase 9 – The Scourging of the Shire Whether you followed path a or b you must now return to the Shire. If your team from Phase 1 has fallen out of the top flight you can return there, else take control of another “big†team which is no longer in the top division and complete the challenge by winning a domestic title. For a definition of “big†use common sense, or consult myself at the relevant time. Notes Minimum number of divisions needed is 8 when attempting the “Frodo†challenge (e.g. 3x Scotland, 3x France, 2x Poland) or 10 for “Aragorn†(eg 4x England, 3x Scotland, 3x France.) Obviously you will want to take your own specs into account when deciding on additional leagues/divisions and database size. What would be really cool would be 2 people doing this as a net game, one as Aragorn, one as Frodo. This would require a minimum of 12 divisions (eg 4x Scotland, 3x England, 3x France, 2x Poland.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmaattyy Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Thoroughly deserved, may i be the first to congratulate you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian of Nazareth Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 congrats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted April 30, 2004 Author Share Posted April 30, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mmaattyy: Thoroughly deserved, may i be the first to congratulate you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The second Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxslow Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Phase 6b – Helm’s Deep This is not the toughest challenge you will face, but still the odds are against you. Given the nature of the division, and the story of Helm’s Deep any players signed after the end of Phase 5b cannot be used until the final ten games of the next season. Complete the Phase by surviving, if this is your first season up, or finishing with more points than in your best season in the top flight to date if not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Is that the last 10 league games or all compotions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacemaker7 Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 May I be the first to say, thank Jesus this won. Congrats HD, best challenge since....... well the last one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated Hick Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Congrats HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oxslow: Is that the last 10 league games or all compotions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 thanks guys, nae luck bryan, mibbes next time. I'm actually surprised at this, but pleasantly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 congrats from me too. I can't believe it - unlike the logo comp and every general election since thatcher came to power my i actually voter for a winner!! We start in the Premiership - the unknown country to me, a LLaMa. so, when do we begin??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 whenever you like, i've completed phase 1 already, but i've been playing all week just incase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated Hick Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Thanks for the kind words Iain! Andy- you can start anytime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmaattyy Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mmaattyy: Thoroughly deserved, may i be the first to congratulate you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh and i forgot: *cough*Fix*cough* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gricehead Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 This is a damned good challenge Unfortunately, I'll be giving it a miss - if I keep playing challenge games, I'll never get my other stories updated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Congrats Not sure if I'll give it a go - I should being a huge LotR fan, but I'm still possibly playing my Lisbon Lions challenge, another story game, a private challenge game and a 4th game so I might struggle to make time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 goddamit, surely SOMEBODY will give it a go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terk Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 i'll be giving it a shot (surprise) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone the Magazine Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 well done HD, I'll be giving it a go as my first story. Not sure if it will be any good, my story that is but will give it a shot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janz Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 congrats on winning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Challenge weblog I'll of course update the log here, but there's a provisional wee site up over there to make fun of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian of Nazareth Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I'll be giving it a go - but not for 2 months - no spare time atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Congrats As promised, I was ready to start-whether this was the official one or not Troubled Visions- Faramir's Dream has begun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 thanks. just to make things easy for me, I'd appreciate it if all new challenge efforts were posted here in bold with a link to the first page. It's easy enough to find them now, but when the board gets busy if i'm not on for a day or two it's easier to find new ones if they're clearly flagged. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Well, I reckon I'll definitely give it a go, but when it comes to Tolkeinesque works of literature I am much more a reader than a writer so my story will have to be a lot more simple than Faramir's excellent start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 My Effort Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glamdring: Well, I reckon I'll definitely give it a go, but when it comes to Tolkeinesque works of literature I am much more a reader than a writer so my story will have to be a lot more simple than Faramir's excellent start <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well the good thing is that you're still writing about a football game. I suspect the attempts will fall largely into 2 categories, Tolkienesque efforts and football-type efforts, though of course I don't rule out potential wild-card entries! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 I'll make it LoTR based hopefully in terms of characters, just not a lot of background stuff - I'll sit back and enjoy other people's efforts there. To be honest, I got so carried away initially reading the challenge and considering all the interesting avenues I temporarily forgot it was a story challenge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 glamdring- Thanks for the kind words. Don't worry though- my story will be rooted in reality (sort of, eventually )- but this time around it takes some framing for the storyline... Thanks again Iain for thinking this one up- no matter how it turns out, it is superb concept and I will enjoy my go at it (which generally helps make writing the story easier...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Guys, i'm totally blown away by your supersonic starts and your talented writing. I haven't read the epic in 20 years altho I saw the films of course - but my memory isn't fresh enough to make Tolkeinesque allusions or get into the 'world'. i'm also in a CMO clan, so I'll be toddling along waaaay behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Who Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 Congrats, HD. I expect to start my version next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted May 1, 2004 Author Share Posted May 1, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by andyinkat: Guys, i'm totally blown away by your supersonic starts and your talented writing. I haven't read the epic in 20 years altho I saw the films of course - but my memory isn't fresh enough to make Tolkeinesque allusions or get into the 'world'. i'm also in a CMO clan, so I'll be toddling along waaaay behind.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> A Llama, a CMOer, and a CMSer, well done, part of the three bestest communities on the CM Scene Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terk Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 My effort bold and italics, bet you didn't see that one coming, Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Weblog updated I'll do a log on this page once we have a decent number of challenge attempts, and update it here weekly. I think! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 The Warrior Princess is on her way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rivaldinho Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 I haven't read any of the LOTR books or watched any of the movies, so I basically know absolutely nothing about it. I might give this a try anyway, as at least the first stage seems easy enough for me. BTW, I have challenge planned, but since I don't visit this forum that frequently, I missed the chance to enter the competition. I will very likely not be here in August or December (mandatory military service is evil! ), so I'll probably just post it as an un-official challenge at some point in case anybody wants to try it. Where would be the appropriate place to do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMDave Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Félicitations HD. Some great starts already. Wish I had more spare time so I could join in...Maybe in a little while... As we say here, 'merde' to all of you... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 congrats, i like the idea of doing the challenge in tandem, anyone fancy doing it with me ( ooerr! ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Rivaldinho- Welcome Not all challenges get finished But it is the enjoyment in the playing and telling that are most welcome here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Who Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Here's my attempt: Football Management 101 Interactivity is most welcome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Educated Hick Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 I'll start my attempt as soon as I can figure out what's turning my computer into molasses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terk Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 excellent weblog, HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 speaking of which, it is once again updated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 by the way, how are loading times on that for people, and do the pictures on the "Phase 1" page appear correctly for you all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terk Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 loading times are good, all the pictures load correctly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glamdring Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Are there any rules on international management - i.e. whether we are allowed to manage random international teams who offer us the job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Wilson Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Great challenge, might even do a story on it myself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMDave Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 Great idea to have a weblog Just curious; where are the pictures from? It probably said so on your site, but I'm too lazy to go back... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HD Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glamdring: Are there any rules on international management - i.e. whether we are allowed to manage random international teams who offer us the job?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You can do what you like internationally, it doesn't count towards the challenge, but it doesn't detract from it either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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