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hopefully we get to see a few tactics that can concede under 20 goals like we did with previous versions (fm23,22 etc). Far too many goals leaked despite winning just feels off. Hopefully @knap can weave his magic. Appreciate all your hard work mate

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On 18/03/2024 at 19:01, knap said:

@mickyt11

Defend duties make it  defensive but going to defensive can let AI back into game.

Can use WB D and 1MC D and drop mentality.

Whatever works for you.

@knap sorry again Knap - one final question. Just around when to use either the defend tweaks or the Defend HB tactic - in tough away games, should i start of the these tweaks/or the defend tactic or im ok to start with the EC MT 105 4231 tactic as Attacking mentality regardless - THEN make tweaks as necessary - if needed? Many thanks!

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6 minutes ago, mickyt11 said:

@knap sorry again Knap - one final question. Just around when to use either the defend tweaks or the Defend HB tactic - in tough away games, should i start of the these tweaks/or the defend tactic or im ok to start with the EC MT 105 4231 tactic as Attacking mentality regardless - THEN make tweaks as necessary - if needed? Many thanks!

Go back a couple pages and read his post where he links his spreadsheet and talks about this stuff. He explains all of this I believe. 
 

 

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  • GOOGLE DOCS

Knap FM2024 - Google Sheets

KnapFM24HUBTEST - Google Sheets

 

KEY ATTRIBUTES

 

GK   Handling Reflexes (Acceleration Agility Decisions- Train)

DRL  Acceleration Pace Decisions ( Stamina Agility Acceleration - Train)

DC           Decisions Positioning Marking Acceleration Pace Strength Jumping (Decisions Marking - Train)

WBRL    Acceleration Pace Decisions (Stamina Acceleration - Train)

DM       Acceleration Pace Decisions (Agility Decisions Tackling - Train)

MRL     Acceleration Pace  (Agility Acceleration - Train)

MC     Acceleration Pace Vision Passing (Decisions Stamina - Train)

AMRL Acceleration Pace Dribbling (Stamina Pace Acceleration - Train)

AMC  Acceleration Pace Vision ( Stamina Agility Acceleration- Train)

ST     Acceleration Pace (Finishing Acceleration Heading Jumping - Train)

GENERAL  Acceleration Pace  Anticipation  Agility Balance Concentration work rate 

Guide to test results

PSG Elite

Man City / Lpool top 

MU/Arsenal

CA 160 top 4-10

Spurs

 140  10 - 15

CA 120  15 -20

relegation

  • AWAY GAMES CONTROL and SUS ( SUS Tactic on Docs is a 4231)

    With regard to Away games it depends upon your own risk factor. I am gung ho and prefer to attack and perhaps win 1 game in 3. If risk adverse then use a defensive tactic and perhaps draw all 3 games.

    As a defensive formation I would use451/ 4141 as it has a DM and protects wings.

  •  

    AWAY GAME TWEAKS -

  • Balanced Mentality DM on Defend WB on support 

    The LOE can be adjusted to MID BLOCK
  • CONTROL TACTIC

    Remove Counter Press and/or Counter

    For a SUS these are ideas to use.

    Remove counter press counter

    Stop WB runs by going to defend or no nonsense FB

  •  Change mentality cautious/Defensive

  • full SUS would be to regroup and hold shape

  • Adjust SPs for more players to stay back

    I tend to judge what to use by how the game is progressing as you may just to want to control game rather than a full SU

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MARTINHO Shouts guide:

Score: 0-0; after 15 mins the first shout is always 'encourage'. If still 0-0 at 25 mins shout 'demand more' (in 90% of matches). If you are a small team against a top team, use 'no pressure'. If still 0-0, at 37 mins shout 'encourage' again. Repeat this cycle in the 2nd half if still 0-0.

Break from this cycle if at any point if you score. Praise the individals who scored the goal, and player that gave the assist. If the match continues 1-0 to 90 mins, no further shouts will be needed. Ive not found any shout consistently effective when 1 nil up.

If you score a second goal, again praise the individals who scored the goal and the player that gave the assist. If you score a 3rd goal, then 'priase' the entire team. (4th goal = priase goalscorer and assister, 5th goal 'praise' entire team and so on.) 

If the opponents equalise, revert to the cycle of 'encourage' and 'demand more' as above, but be cautious not to use the same team shout twice in a row. 

If 2 nil up or 3 nil and the opposition bring it back to 2-1 or 3-1, dont use any shout.

If ever a goal down, instead of cycling 'encourge' and 'demand more', cycle 'demand more' and 'show some passion', except however as soon as you concede the first shout should be 'encourage' (unless you had previously used the 'encourage' shout last when you were drawing). 

If 2 goals down, the first shout (on immediately condeding the 2nd goal) should be 'berate'. If you continue to be 2 goals down, cycle 'berate', 'show some passion' and 'demand more'. 

When you equalise, immediatley after the equalising goal goes use either 'encourge' or 'demand more' (based on your previous shouts in the match (you never want to use 'encourge' or 'demand more' twice in a row as you wont get as a good a rection), then go back to cycling these 2 shouts. Only stop this cycle if you go in front, at which time you will revert to praising the goalscorer and assister (except if you go in front to make the score 3-2, you should use that opportunity to 'praise' the entire team).

Exceptions: 2nd leg of 2 legged ties. The 2nd leg of a tie only follows these rules above if you are drawing or behind. If winning from the 1st leg, do not use any shouts as they will have poor results, that is, unless you score, then follow the above shouts for going 1-0, 2-0 and 3-0 up, or if your opponent equalised the tie on aggregate (or takes the lead on aggregate) then go back to following the above suggestions. 

Hope that is clear !

Cadoni recommended shouts or use AM for Shouts

FM22 Shouts - Encourage (0-0; 20 min mark) - Calm Down (win 1-0 after you scoring) - Demand More (draw) - Praise (win by 2 goals) - Berate (loss by 2 goals

 

o judge what to use by how the game is progressing as you may just to want to control game rather than a full SU

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SCREENSHOTS
 

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Select the file (eg. Season - One Match) > Click "Load" > Confirm > Click "Save" (really important, bottom right corner)

 

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Overall recommendation or use EVENS 

EF 424 XB MC P98 ALL CUPS

EF V10 424 MC P104 FA CC

EF 4231 XP MC P107 EC FA

EF 424 XB AF MC P106 CC

EF 424 V2 TH P100 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC

WOF 4231 LP P106 EC CC

WOF 424 MC P101ALL CUPS

WOF V2.1 4231 XP MC P100 EC CC

WOF 4231 LP P99 ALL CUPS

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC

SUB TOP Recommendations based on Chelsea

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                           98           

EF V3 451 (MUP95CC) LP P103 FA CC

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                        96

WOF 32 4231 MC P102                              95

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC               95

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                        95

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                    95

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                          94

WOF 4231 ATT MC P105 ALLCUPS                 93

WOF V114 4231 MC P107                                93

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                            93

ARGUS 343 IF P TH P90 FA CC              93

MID TABLE Recommendations

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                               81

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                81

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       80

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                             80

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                    80

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                            80

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                                  80

HGF VOL5 433 IF ARSENAL P103 EC FA                 79

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                               80

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                           78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                                78

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                                  78

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS        78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P112 EC                              79

                     

UNDERDOG Based on Luton

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                 73.

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                    70

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                             70

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                             69

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071  68

EF 4231 MC P108 ALL CUPS                                   68.

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                  67

EF 4231 MT MC P101 EC FA                                 67

WOF V14 4231 MU P105                                     67

HGF V5 4231 MC P109 ALL CUPS                      67

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vor 6 Stunden schrieb knap:

Overall recommendation or use EVENS 

EF 424 XB MC P98 ALL CUPS

EF 4231 XP MC P107 EC FA

EF 424 V2 TH P100 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC

WOF 4231 LP P106 EC CC

WOF 424 MC P101ALL CUPS

WOF V2.1 4231 XP MC P100 EC CC

WOF 4231 LP P99 ALL CUPS

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC

SUB TOP Recommendations based on Chelsea

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                           98           

EF V3 451 (MUP95CC) LP P103 FA CC

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                        96

WOF 32 4231 MC P102                              95

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC               95

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                        95

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                    95

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                          94

WOF 4231 ATT MC P105 ALLCUPS                 93

WOF V114 4231 MC P107                                93

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                            93

ARGUS 343 IF P TH P90 FA CC              93

MID TABLE Recommendations

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                               81

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                81

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       80

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                             80

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                    80

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                            80

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                                  80

HGF VOL5 433 IF ARSENAL P103 EC FA                 79

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                               80

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                           78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                                78

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                                  78

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS        78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P112 EC                              79

                     

UNDERDOG Based on Luton

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                 73.

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                    70

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                             70

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                             69

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071  68

EF 4231 MC P108 ALL CUPS                                   68.

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                  67

EF 4231 MT MC P101 EC FA                                 67

WOF V14 4231 MU P105                                     67

HGF V5 4231 MC P109 ALL CUPS                      67

Hey @knap, do I get it right if I say these are your overall recommended tactics to use for the mentioned team-strenghts? How come those do not show up up top in the spreadsheet? What if there are newer versions of the tactics like EF V4 451 or something? I´d really appreciate your help with this. Thanks for you great work!

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They are top EVENS test tactics. These are very long tests against same quality AI, so a very hard test ,as such they do not specifically relate to a Club.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, knap said:

@pan1majonez

Być może tak, jak to miało miejsce w przypadku Arsenalu, a nie City

I AM playing in Bułgaria CSKA Sofia 1948. My club in Bułgaria is an Elite. I AM using WOF 4222 BOX MC P107 EC FA. But when i AM playing in european cups it isn't look so good. So i AM looking for tactic 4222 for underdog or MID sub

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6 minutes ago, knap said:

@pan1majonez

Drop mentality and add 1 DM D.

Can tight mark MCs with OIs or Man mark their DMs

So change mentality from positive->balanced and one from my defensive midfielder change from support-> defensive ? My english is weak, sorry for so many questions

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Il 10/3/2024 in 13:06 , knap ha scritto:

Overall recommendation or use EVENS or HUB Test

 

WOF 4231 LP P106 EC CC

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC

WOF 4231 LP P99 ALL CUPS

SUB TOP Recommendations based on Chelsea

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                           98           

EF V3 451 (MUP95CC) LP P103 FA CC

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                        96

WOF 32 4231 MC P102                              95

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC               95

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                        95

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                    95

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                          94

WOF 4231 ATT MC P105 ALLCUPS                 93

WOF V114 4231 MC P107                                93

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                            93

ARGUS 343 IF P TH P90 FA CC              93

MID TABLE Recommendations

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                               81

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                81

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       80

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                             80

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                    80

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                            80

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                                  80

HGF VOL5 433 IF ARSENAL P103 EC FA                 79

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                               80

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                           78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                                78

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                                  78

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS        78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P112 EC                              79

                     

UNDERDOG Based on Luton

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                 73.

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                    70

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                             70

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                             69

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071  68

EF 4231 MC P108 ALL CUPS                                   68.

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                  67

EF 4231 MT MC P101 EC FA                                 67

WOF V14 4231 MU P105                                     67

HGF V5 4231 MC P109 ALL CUPS                      67

@Knap

Which is the best underdog tactic for 24.3?

Argus tactics don’t work ??

thanks for your work!

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Either Overall or Luton especially WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS for away games

 

Not all  tactics are tested so ARGUS may work

 

Overall recommendation or use EVENS 

EF 424 XB MC P98 ALL CUPS

EF V10 424 MC P104 FA CC

EF 4231 XP MC P107 EC FA

EF 424 V2 TH P100 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC

WOF 4231 LP P106 EC CC

WOF 424 MC P101ALL CUPS

WOF V2.1 4231 XP MC P100 EC CC

WOF 4231 LP P99 ALL CUPS

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC

SUB TOP Recommendations based on Chelsea

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                           98           

EF V3 451 (MUP95CC) LP P103 FA CC

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                        96

WOF 32 4231 MC P102                              95

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC               95

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                        95

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                    95

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                          94

WOF 4231 ATT MC P105 ALLCUPS                 93

WOF V114 4231 MC P107                                93

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                            93

ARGUS 343 IF P TH P90 FA CC              93

MID TABLE Recommendations

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                               81

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                81

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       80

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                             80

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                    80

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                            80

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                                  80

HGF VOL5 433 IF ARSENAL P103 EC FA                 79

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                               80

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                           78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                                78

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                                  78

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS        78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P112 EC                              79

                     

UNDERDOG Based on Luton

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                 73.

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                    70

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                             70

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                             69

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071  68

EF 4231 MC P108 ALL CUPS                                   68.

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                  67

EF 4231 MT MC P101 EC FA                                 67

WOF V14 4231 MU P105                                     67

HGF V5 4231 MC P109 ALL CUPS                      67

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1 ora fa, knap ha scritto:

@nicklin1984

Either Overall or Luton especially WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS for away games

 

Not all  tactics are tested so ARGUS may work

 

Overall recommendation or use EVENS 

EF 424 XB MC P98 ALL CUPS

EF V10 424 MC P104 FA CC

EF 4231 XP MC P107 EC FA

EF 424 V2 TH P100 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC

WOF 4231 LP P106 EC CC

WOF 424 MC P101ALL CUPS

WOF V2.1 4231 XP MC P100 EC CC

WOF 4231 LP P99 ALL CUPS

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC

SUB TOP Recommendations based on Chelsea

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                           98           

EF V3 451 (MUP95CC) LP P103 FA CC

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                        96

WOF 32 4231 MC P102                              95

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC               95

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                        95

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                    95

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                          94

WOF 4231 ATT MC P105 ALLCUPS                 93

WOF V114 4231 MC P107                                93

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                            93

ARGUS 343 IF P TH P90 FA CC              93

MID TABLE Recommendations

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                               81

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                81

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       80

WOF V11 4231 MU P97                                             80

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                    80

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                            80

WOF 4231 V9 P103 FA P1012                                  80

HGF VOL5 433 IF ARSENAL P103 EC FA                 79

EF V3 451 MU P95 CC                                               80

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                           78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P103 CC                                78

WOF V17 4231 MC P107 EC FA                                  78

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS        78

SLOE GIN 442 ATT MC P112 EC                              79

                     

UNDERDOG Based on Luton

EF 4231 MT V2 MC P105 FA CC                                 73.

EF 4231 V2 TH P93 CC                                    70

WOF V15 4231 MU P94                                             70

EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC                             69

ELECTRIC FUNERAL 4231 MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS       69

WOF V11 4231 MC P107 ALL CUPS P1071  68

EF 4231 MC P108 ALL CUPS                                   68.

WOF V9 424 CF IF MC P103 FA P1033                  67

EF 4231 MT MC P101 EC FA                                 67

WOF V14 4231 MU P105                                     67

HGF V5 4231 MC P109 ALL CUPS                      67

Thank you so much!

in particular I have Sheffield Wednesday just ascended to the premiership.

what tactic would you use?

The best for you…one for home and one for away

🙏🏻

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 EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC        WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS for away games

You can also try these OIs or Man Marking. Let me know if useful

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1 ora fa, nicklin1984 ha scritto:

Great! You are the best 

 

 

1 ora fa, knap ha scritto:

@nicklin1984

 EF 4231 V2 TH P100 FA CC        WOF V11 4231 Balanced MC P104 ALL CUPS for away games

You can also try these OIs or Man Marking. Let me know if useful

Screenshot2024-03-21120312.png.f3ad98f1562ef724a0a7e22afd203915.png

 

 

 

Sorry

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2 hours ago, nicklin1984 said:

Thank you so much!

in particular I have Sheffield Wednesday just ascended to the premiership.

what tactic would you use?

The best for you…one for home and one for away

🙏🏻

What did you use in championship please mate?

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