XXXtreme Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 The Scottish football system is amongst the most fractured with four (or 5) distinct levels which are senior, senior non-league, junior, amateur and welfare (pretty much the same as amateur so whether it can be considered different is up for debate). These levels are for the most part seperate from each other with the exception of the Scottish Cup, Challenge Cup and certain cup competitions at the regional level. This fractured system can be traced back as far back as the 1880's which is detailed here. The senior levels (SPL etc) and senior non-league are in direct control of the SFA with the junior league controls by the SJFA (Scottish Junior Football Association) Amateur/welfare leagues are controlled by the SAFA (Scottish Amateur Football Association) (one exception is the North Caledonian league which is directly controlled by the SFA). The difference between the levels (excluding on a financial level) is up for debate as the bigger teams out with the SPL/SFL are known to out attend some second and third division teams. I'd also argue as well the South Of Scotland League despite being a step above is weaker than the Junior leagues and in all reality the gap between Junior and senior-non league is not that great. The pyramid can be summed as follows: Senior SPL First Division Second Division Third Division No relegation exists to the non-leagues. Non-league teams can only join the Senior ranks if a place appears by a team a folding etc or the league expands and then apply for membership. Senior Non-League Highland League (Highland region and also teams from Moray and Grampian) East Of Scotland (Lothian and Scottish Borders) South Of Scotland (Dumfries And Galloway - Ayrshire teams have taken part in the past) The East Of Scotland also has a second division. Several teams at this level were once also junior teams and teams moving up a step happens every so often. Some teams such as Duns and Burntisland made the jump straight from the amateur ranks in the past few seasons. Junior Three regions North (Grampian, Moray and Highland) East (Angus, Tayside, Fife, Perthshire, Stirlingshire, Lothian and Central Scotland Central (Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire, Ayrshire, Glasgow and Central Scotland) This 3 region setup came about in 2002 as a result of merging from it's six previous regions that existed from 1968. This old setup can still be seen in the lower tiers of the East (South - Lothian, Central - Fife/Perthshire and North - Angus/Tayside) West (Central and Ayrshire) Amateur/welfare Way too many to name and I've only included one in the pyramid, the North Caledonian League due to it being controlled by the SFA, being well known as a stepping stone to the Highland League or North Juniors and also having a reserve team of a Highland League team. Cups Scottish Cup Despite being a nationwide comp not all teams automatically take part. The teams participating can be broken down as follows (prior to 08 non SPL/SFL teams had to play in qualifying rounds but these have been scrapped thus they now enter automatically at the 1st round) All 42 SPL/SFL members SFA members from the Senior Non-Leagues Non-members can qualify by winning their respective division (the runner up of the Highland League can also qualify via this method) The Winners of each of the top flight of the three Junior Region top flights and the Junior Cup winner Girvan (despite being a Junior team they are due to historic anomolys a full SFA member and a full SJFA member) Two amateur teams (Glasgow University and Golspie Sutherland) Scottish League Cup All 42 senior SPL/SFL Teams Scottish Challenge Cup All teams from the 1st to 3rd division plus winner and runner up of Highland League (in reality HL teams are chosen on a licensing criteria and a team can't appear two seasons in a row but since this is not possible I felt this the best alternative) Scottish Junior Cup All Junior teams Below these lie a variety of cups in each of the regions and also some which are cross regional and even take in teams from different levels. Reserves/U19's Customs reserves for all SPL/SFL teams (excluding Berwick who'se reserves play in the EoS). Setup differs from reality but had to create on in order to free up first teams from certain cup comps e.g. North Of Scotland Cup and Southern Challenge Cup. Also allows for addition of the historic 'shire cups (Fife, Tayside and Fofarshire) and the Glasgow City Cup. U19's are set by parent division and applies to all playable teams as in reality U19 leagues exist across these teams. Other Prize money where possible Competition histories (both current and extinct comps.) New citys,towns,villages Regional boundaries set Media Co-ordinates/local regions/populations fixed where wrong Team colours for those without (at playable levels) Missing stadia assigned/created Known issues Regionalisation has been done to the best of my ability but teams still do move but there is nothing drastic and at most teams move across sub region eg Ayrshire to Central rather than outwith the region completely. This is in part due to the Junior East and West region boundaries not being concrete as some West teams play further east than some east region teams and vice versa. Some cups are split on regional grounds in earlier rounds, this isn't possible in the editor The Central Sectional Cup has an amateur rank team taking part, I had to do this as the editor doesn't allow for different number of teams in groups in cups. This competition usually works with 40 teams but one Junior West team, Stonehouse Violet folded earlier this year. The same kind of situation also applies to other sectional cups. In reality trialists are allowed to play in a limited number of league games in SFL3 however I have not been able to replicate this whilst rebuilding. SPL/SFL match bans don't apply till after 6 games so as the editor can not go this high I set it to the max of 5. Finances are still unstable at lower end non-league teams. Still trying to find a solution for this. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Latest V 0.2 (7/2/13) Older Preview Version, for observation only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 i can help you for another amateur league as Orkney, Lewis and Harris, Shetlands, Sunday leauge etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter28 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Ah this looks very interesting having played for a few junior teams in ayrshire myself.I agree what you said about the junior and senior-non league alot of junior teams do have a big following.I would also say the top junior teams in scotland would do fine in the sfl league 3 and even 2 a will keep an eye out on this cheers pal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 i've download, it's crazy !!! all thze cups !!! i'll create amateur (saturday and sunday league) + Shetlands. (If you authorize me) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 1, 2013 Author Share Posted January 1, 2013 The cups still aren't finished, there is about three minimum per region. As for the amateur leagues I could do them but simply put it'd mean adding well over 50 leagues and given that the file already had 11 levels it'd be overkill/slow the game down for no real value. I will allow you to do your own version with the amateur leagues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 and where're you in your update ? perhaps i an help you for cups or other... i'm interresed by the amateur league you make all structure ?? SPL, Junior, amateur ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 @lo.simon I've just finished up the cups (well the ones I could - some I have been unable to do due to editor limitiations such as the East of Scotland City Cup and some are confusing the hell out of me - see the variety of SoS cups). As for the Amateurs I may include the most prominent from each region, currently undecided though. The next step is to update histories where I haven't already and also go about doing this for extinct competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 great job i've download the update and that's excellent ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 This looks great how far away are you from having all the cups in place ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 The leagues and cups are built. Currently taking on the laborious task of adding histories for extinct competitions (where I can find information) which is coming in at close to 200 new additions. So far I've completed this for Junior leagues and cups + senior leagues. About 1/3 of the way through senior cups so expect another preview file (maybe BETA) within the next 2 to 3 days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 That'sa crazy work !! you've make amateur league so ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 good work mate, looks intresting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Take a look here mate http://scottish-football-historical-archive.com/ Also have a look at this and see if cups still run http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/160219-Scottish-Football-the-Real-McCoy?highlight=scottish as you don't have any South of Scotland Cups in your database ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmastermind124 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Loving the sound of this file. I'd love to help you out in the future (with the complex rules), send me a PM if you are interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 I've been using that link for information, incredible resource for Scottish football. The SoS cup is included now (the version linked is an earlier WIP) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 When will you be updating the version to download ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkpie1971 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Really looking forward to this when it's finished guys, keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Just to update I've finished the histories for extinct competitions and now doing the same for current cups. This may take a couple of days as the histories are actually pretty hard to find for some competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Could you send me the file so i can take a look please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 A final release date ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogogo golem Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Can I ask why you completely rebuilt the system when you could have saved work and made it more realistic by adding to the default SI structure? Also, I think you missed out a three in the Premier League TV money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 I had to do the above due to hard coded dates in the editor which wouldn't allow me to set up the season properly and also to set up independent reserve teams to take part in certain historic county cups and to provide a league for them. Also the prize money is based upon an equal divide of the current tv deal of 16 million between the 12 teams (the actual tv money format is complex and impossible to replicate and has somewhat of a bias towards the old firm) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 When's it ready ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogogo golem Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I had to do the above due to hard coded dates in the editor which wouldn't allow me to set up the season properly and also to set up independent reserve teams to take part in certain historic county cups and to provide a league for them.Also the prize money is based upon an equal divide of the current tv deal of 16 million between the 12 teams (the actual tv money format is complex and impossible to replicate and has somewhat of a bias towards the old firm) OK, but what hardcoded dates did you need to overwrite. I don't quite get the TV deal bit but I read it was more near £13m per team rather than £1.3m. Also you can set up independent reserve teams in the extra teams panel if you change it to reserve team, allowing you to make the cups and have the current reserves structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 you make a fantastic work !!!! and for the reease date ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 That was a mistake on my part and an oversight, I would start over and use the hardcoded league but I've made too many changes to go back now. As for the tv deal I've found a figure of 80 million over five years so dividing that by five and then by twelve brings it out as 1333333 (this was based on what I'm reading) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogogo golem Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 That was a mistake on my part and an oversight, I would start over and use the hardcoded league but I've made too many changes to go back now. As for the tv deal I've found a figure of 80 million over five years so dividing that by five and then by twelve brings it out as 1333333 (this was based on what I'm reading) OK. So on next years version you'll just add to the hardcoded system? That's great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share Posted January 27, 2013 next year depends a lot on what shape re-structuring takes and if the data will be salvageable. I'm hoping to release this next week albeit with missing competition histories which I've struggled to find information on. I'll also be doing alternate fictional pyramid structure as well in near future using this as a base file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEES Next week i play in scotalnd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Any details on file date yet ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Any details on file date yet ?? Same question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Any news ?? Are you still struggling do you want me to look at it for you ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Expect a file up tonight or at the latest by tomorrow night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Excellent been waiting for this i've updated all the Scottish Teams ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 White night in perspective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Looks like tmoz now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lo.simon Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 It's for today yipeeeeeeeeeeeee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Version 0.2 now up and ready. Changes Added further histories/new competitions (where I couldn't find history I added at least the last winner and runner up) Added prize money at non-league level (mostly fictional but also realistic) Created amateur leagues and teams (non-playable for now) New cities added Added the Gaelic language and set it to communities where it is the majority language General tweaks Download link Only issue is finances are a still bit unstable at lower end non-league teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Great work no Renfrewshire Cup though ?? Renfrewshire Cup St Mirren Morton and 2 local teams Golspie not in the North of Scotland Cup they got beat in the 1st round Golspie Sutherland F.C. 0-4 Brora Rangers F.C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter28 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Woo who nice 1 Xtreme loving it already playing as my local side maybole. Take a bow son take a bow:applause: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steff91 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Woo who nice 1 Xtreme loving it already playing as my local side maybole. Take a bow son take a bow:applause: You stole my thunder there "Andy Gray" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steff91 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Cant seem to open this do you open this with "winrar" or just cut and paste it.Really fancy this as well.Anybody help me out guys? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steff91 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Cant seem to open this mate with winrar,whats the installation instructions,looks really good btw m8!!!! Version 0.2 now up and ready.Changes Added further histories/new competitions (where I couldn't find history I added at least the last winner and runner up) Added prize money at non-league level (mostly fictional but also realistic) Created amateur leagues and teams (non-playable for now) New cities added Added the Gaelic language and set it to communities where it is the majority language General tweaks Download link Only issue is finances are a still bit unstable at lower end non-league teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Copy it into your Editor Data in documents and put all files into there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steff91 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Copy it into your Editor Data in documents and put all files into there. thanks for the reply m8,but do you just cut and paste it then,you dont need to open it with winrar? cheers again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cel1234 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Cut and paste and open in the editor data Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forzaformia Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Great joob! But are you going to release a new version, or I can start play with this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXtreme Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 This version is playable but a new version will most likely happen at a later date (nothing drastic planned though) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forzaformia Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Ok, then I'll play with this version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmieAFC Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Cheers for this it's ace! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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