kayapo Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Hi Cleon, To answer your question I`d say go with what inspires you the most though I would love to have at least your thoughts on the 4-4-2. Why you still think it works against what people say, what are the goodsides and badsides, etc. They are the DLP, they are from the 433/451 hybrid I posted in the thread. There the engine room of the tactic, everything goes thru them. It's a shame that the rating system doesn't allow for this kind of play though, as they should have a lot higher ratings. But instead the rating system rewards attacking play such as goals, assist way higher I have this problem all the time. It seems that in every tactic I develop my central midfielders are bound to have low stats. I can`t for the life of me get them to rate higher, I keep thinking it is my tactics but perhaps I should just settle for it being a problem with the ME. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvito2k Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 How i should rotate my team without losing to have most player match fit status? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 My players stay match fit throughout the season, if there lacking fitness I allow them to play reserve games. As you are the manager, you should know when its safe to rest a player and leave him out of an unimportant game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvito2k Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 How many players should i rest? Change the whole team at once? 2,3 players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 How many players should i rest? Change the whole team at once? 2,3 players? I tend to always rotate and drop a player here and there. I do that throughout the season, it helps keep fitness of everyone. Its down to you to choose as and when you should rotate only you can answer that my friend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvito2k Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 you do that based on form? Minimum condition? Bad game? Thank for your help! PS could you please share a screenshot of your custom views for selection i remenber you use the mistakes column and a lot of other useful things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich2086 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Just read through the entire Sheffield United Project 2012 hope you continue with it gutted the last save got corrupt. Some very useful infomation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timee Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I'd just read your post about the Project 2012 (also the 2011 part) and you made me wonder why you made several tactical decisions. Your tactical view seems to be almost exactly the opposite from mine. I always let my mentality depend on the strenght of my opponent, while I let my 'playing style' (passing style, creative freedom, closing down, etc.) depend on the qualities of my players. If I'm right, you let your mentality depend on the qualities of your players, while you let your playing style depend on your strenght relative to the opponent. If you're facing a tough opponent, you'll adjust you're playing style (by shouts), while I would change my mentality. I was wondering what make you think about tactics like this and how do you think it exactly works? You seem to be quite successful with your tactics, while I wouldn't call myself a tactical genius Oh, and I'm also curious about why you made the following decisions: - Let Sheffield play with direct passing (2011). - Let Tottenham play with low closing down (2011). I hope you can tell me something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 I'd just read your post about the Project 2012 (also the 2011 part) and you made me wonder why you made several tactical decisions. Your tactical view seems to be almost exactly the opposite from mine. I always let my mentality depend on the strenght of my opponent, while I let my 'playing style' (passing style, creative freedom, closing down, etc.) depend on the qualities of my players. If I'm right, you let your mentality depend on the qualities of your players, while you let your playing style depend on your strenght relative to the opponent. If you're facing a tough opponent, you'll adjust you're playing style (by shouts), while I would change my mentality.I was wondering what make you think about tactics like this and how do you think it exactly works? You seem to be quite successful with your tactics, while I wouldn't call myself a tactical genius I also change mentality but a lot of the times people change it (well in my opinion) when they don't really need to. If you know your side is better than the team you are playing, then I wouldn't change it. I'd probably just play on the counter instead. I just think the way I play makes sense as it's what clubs do in the real world. Mentality is something to be changed during a game depending on certain scenarios. Oh, and I'm also curious about why you made the following decisions:- Let Sheffield play with direct passing (2011). - Let Tottenham play with low closing down (2011). I hope you can tell me something. Sheffield United were poor at passing that's the only reason. As for Spurs the tactic needed to stand off people and break at pace from deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timee Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ok, thanks. It all makes sense to me. But now I wonder how you would play with a team that is suited for counter attacking football, but is worse than most of its opponents (let's say, prognose: 20th)? I assume you won't give them as many creative freedom as you do now and probably let them close down and roam less? But that would possibly kill all your attacking threads. How would you make sure that the team would still produce goals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ok, thanks. It all makes sense to me.But now I wonder how you would play with a team that is suited for counter attacking football, but is worse than most of its opponents (let's say, prognose: 20th)? I assume you won't give them as many creative freedom as you do now and probably let them close down and roam less? But that would possibly kill all your attacking threads. How would you make sure that the team would still produce goals? It's hard to say as that kind of thing would rely on visuals. So I'd have to see how things were actually going in game and change things in real time as it was happening. I'm guessing I'd maybe go narrower, direct, Stand off and stick to position though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timee Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Would you also decrease the creative freedom, or do you think that would be deadly for your attack? Maybe default could also do the job? Personally I would also change marking to default/man marking. How do you think about that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Would you also decrease the creative freedom, or do you think that would be deadly for your attack? Maybe default could also do the job? Personally I would also change marking to default/man marking. How do you think about that? Well I wouldn't be nowhere near as creative. But then on the other hand if I was the poorest side in the league I wouldn't be playing this way anyway. Nah I'd not man mark because if you're a poor side you're not going to have players with good stats to be able to man mark effectivley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timee Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 But then on the other hand if I was the poorest side in the league I wouldn't be playing this way anyway. How do you mean? You wouldn't play counter attacking football if you are the poorest side in the league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikcheck Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Timee I think Cleon was referring to creative freedom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timee Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Hmm, could be Anway, Cleon, thanks for your answers. You're ideas about tactics are very interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 How do you mean? You wouldn't play counter attacking football if you are the poorest side in the league? Timee I think Cleon was referring to creative freedom. Sorry for the confusion, I did mean creative freedom yeah Hmm, could be Anway, Cleon, thanks for your answers. You're ideas about tactics are very interesting. I'm happy to answer any questions if I can. You might want to keep an eye on this thread http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/281677-The-Santos-Experience there will be some interesting stuff coming up very soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortoMaltese Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Thank you for the hard work, i must admit reading your threads i found the right motivation to try and make my own tactic because i always used downloaded ones from different forums. could you give me a tip how would you play bolton in fm12, first season without transfers? i thought playing 4-5-1 with a dmc 2 mc's and 2 wingers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arinceo Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Just started to look through the thread mate, and I must say the level of detail you have entered into is astounding and very much appreciated. I'm new to FM and as such the intricacies of the game were overwhelming at first, but this thread is certainly clearing it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobBRFC Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 @Cleon you mentioned in teh Project 2012 thread about if your playing a team with pacy wingers you need to get your DM or DC to cover. How do you set them up to make them cover that certain position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steviedaniels Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Hows it all going Cleon? I have started my usual career game taken over at Bath with them sitting 23rd in the BSP Currently using a 4-1-2-2-1 in the same shape as your 2nd tactic, rigid philosophy though, im far too chicken to try anything more than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miek Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Found Cleons thread but it seems it has gone dead? A shame though. One of that threads that really could bring up a tactical discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/289530-The-SI-Sports-Centre-DISCUSSION-THREAD It was renamed and more stuff added to it, that's the new link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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