deadfncat Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 No way you should totally go there They just won the league a few seasons ago on my game and are on their way to doing it again now. Never heard of Shevchenko though Harry Kewell managed the Roar for 6 years and left last season to go to the Victory as well and now they stink worse than ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 2010 - Barrow over Stevenage2011 - Luton over York 2012 - Macclesfield over Corby 2013 - York over Oxford 2014 - Gateshead over Chelmsford 2015 - Eastleigh over Crawley 2016 - Salisbury over Port Vale 2016-17 semifinal has drawn Torquay v. Farnborough and Macclesfield v. Altrincham. Happy? No, you're a bit slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 Yanbian FC 2017 - Third season syndrome In retrospect, possibly, having the assistant handle the pre-season friendlies may have been a bad idea. Our return to competitive football quickly showed some worrying tendencies. First, we were dumped out of the FA Cup in the first round when we coughed up a halftime lead against Hangzhou to lose 1-2. With just the league to focus on, we got off to a bright start, dispatching Dongya 2-0 in the season-opener, with our new Uzbek striker Timur Aqbarov scoring on his debut. He followed that up with a goal in his second match, a 1-2 loss to Chanba in which we we conceded the winner late. Little did we know it was the start of a nightmare run of form. By the time we finally righted the ship with a sparkling 2-0 win over Chengdu Blades, we had lost a club record 7 matches on the spin and were propping up the rest of the Super League. But any hopes that we were actually turning things around were dashed by a 0-3 loss to Beijing with all of their goals coming in the final 15 minutes, and a limp 2-0 loss at Tianjin (my 200th game in management. And in which my assistant reported that neither my pre-match, halftime nor post-match comments appeared to have any effect on the players).. And so, on May 28, 2017, I handed in my resignation. I chose that moment to call time because the club's next match is in 3 weeks against fellow relegation battlers Qingdao. Then there is another 3 week break until they resume play against Changsha. So I figured it would give the board plenty of time to hire a replacement, and for that replacement to get to know the players and decide who does and doesn't suit him. Overall though, I'm quite proud of my time at Yanbian. I've improved the training facilities, expanded the scouting network to cover all of Asia, and left the club with a healthy $3.3M balance. But with the club regularly ranking near the bottom of the Super League in attendance, I think I've taken them as far as I can. If another, better, manager is able to carry them further, I would be pleased to see that. My job status was still listed as "stable," so I think I could have survived getting relegated (and indeed the board were quick to publicly pay tribute, saying they were sad to see me leave, but that at least I'd given everyone a chance to celebrate one of their "most faithful servants."). But truth be told, my contract was expiring at the end of the year, and I was thinking about leaving then anyway. And so now the long slog of sending out applications begins. It is late May though, so maybe I can latch onto a team that's just dumped their manager, or one of the newly promoted teams. Given that some my Yanbian players were "having a hard time motivating themselves to play for a manager of" my reputation, I may have to go find a semi-pro team. Hey, it'll be another building job, and I seem to have done pretty well at that. League Season Club Country League GP W D L GF GA PTS RESULT 2010 Atletico Juventud COL Div. 2 2 1 0 1 2 2 3 16th 2011 Atletico Juventud COL Div. 2 9 2 1 6 7 17 6 16th (Resigned March 30) 2011 Yanbian FC CHN Div. 1 16 7 3 6 26 20 24 11th (14th when hired June 2) 2012 Yanbian FC CHN Div. 1 28 13 5 10 36 32 44 6th 2013 Yanbian FC CHN Div. 1 30 12 8 10 37 33 44 10th 2014 Yanbian FC CHN Div. 1 30 14 11 5 43 20 53 1st 2015 Yanbian FC CHN CSL 30 7 11 12 29 42 32 12th 2016 Yanbian FC CHN CSL 30 13 3 14 38 35 42 8th 2017 Yanbian FC CHN CSL 11 2 0 9 7 21 6 16th (Resigned May 28) Cups Season Club Country Competition Result 2011 Atletico Juventud COL Colombian Cup Group stage 2012 Yanbian FC CHN FA Cup First round (lost 4-0 to CSL side Chengdu Blades) 2013 Yanbian FC CHN FA Cup Second round (lost 3-0 to CSL side Shanghai Dongya) 2014 Yanbian FC CHN FA Cup First round (lost 2-1 to CSL side Guangzhou Hengda) 2015 Yanbian FC CHN FA Cup Quarterfinal (lost on away goals after 2-2 draw to CSL side Liaoning) 2016 Yanbian FC CHN FA CUp Second round (lost 1-2 to CSL side Dongya) 2017 Yanbian FC CHN FA Cup First round (lost 1-2 to CSL side Hangzhou) International competition Season Club Competition Result Honors Season Club Country Honors 2014 Yanbian FC CHN Champions, Jia League Totals Club Country GP W D L GF GA Atletico Juventud COL 14 4 2 8 11 22 (Resigned March 30, 2011) Yanbian FC CHN 186 72 43 71 229 221 (Resigned May 28, 2017) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadfncat Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 bad luck mate. Hope you find a good place to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSYoungEsq Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I think your comment on the attendance levels is very percipient. As a rule, it's hard to compete in upper level leagues when you have to rely upon unreliable money sources to pay for the cost of players who are capable of doing well at that level. Have you a preference as to where you want to go next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Jason are you planning to leave China? Maybe a move to England wouldn't be so bad, or to another big European country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 17, 2011 Author Share Posted January 17, 2011 I think your comment on the attendance levels is very percipient. As a rule, it's hard to compete in upper level leagues when you have to rely upon unreliable money sources to pay for the cost of players who are capable of doing well at that level.Have you a preference as to where you want to go next? The club is still making a decent profit, but yeah I don't think it will ever really be able to compete with the big guns like Beijing. Jason are you planning to leave China? Maybe a move to England wouldn't be so bad, or to another big European country. So far I'm having a hard time getting anyone to respond. Been knocked back by clubs in the Swiss Challenge League, and the French National. I'm a bit jealous of those of you who have been head-hunted by other clubs, because I've never even had the "minor interest by clubs" box filled. I think being an American Sunday Leaguer is behind that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's because you play soccer when everybody else plays football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 Poof. Also, the Canadians will be excited to hear that Canada have won the 2017 Gold Cup, and are currently in position to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. The USA are 5th in the hexgonal with halfway to go, and got knocked out of the Gold Cup quarterfinal on penalties by the mighty .... Netherlands Antilles. A result which got Bob Bradley sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadfncat Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 LOL USA. Go Canada! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Poof. Also, the Canadians will be excited to hear that Canada have won the 2017 Gold Cup, and are currently in position to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. The USA are 5th in the hexgonal with halfway to go, and got knocked out of the Gold Cup quarterfinal on penalties by the mighty .... Netherlands Antilles. A result which got Bob Bradley sacked. We win the Gold Cup \o/. US supporters rejoice that Bradley is finally sacked. Everyone wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeeD Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Good luck with your next career move Jason In my game, Bob Bradley leaving was the catalyst for the USA's decline as they failed to qualify for the 2014 World Cup and flopped at the 2015 Gold Cup. Bradley went on to manage a different America team - América of the Mexican Primera Division Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raware Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Tough break Jason. It seemed as if you were making steady progress at Yanbian but that was a tough 3rd season. Hopefully you can find a club soon...any club and any country? It's because you play soccer when everybody else plays football. Although I do agree with Nobby on this point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Just about. Unfortunately it's been 10 months now, and still no job. Spending my time trying to get a word in edgewise next to Ray Hudson on Gol TV. Yanbian ended up being relegated in 15th place, so I guess it wasn't me. They hired a guy who had a couple of managerial stints there pre-game (and actually has me listed under his "favoured personnel" ). He went 5-2-12. I saw that he sold Xu Lu to Chengdu for $500,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 After 16 months and change in punditry and youth soccer camps: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadfncat Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 huzzah! good luck! you could have joined the Italian leagues like me with Crociati Noceto though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Still debating. Crociati have the best training facilities and a nice transfer budget, but they're over their wage budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Take Crociati Noceto! Make it three FMCU managers in the Italian lower leagues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadfncat Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 its your job to cut it back. come join my in Italy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Right, this is my matrix: Club Transfer Wage Bud. Wages Finances Stadium Training Youth Recruit. Parent/Feeder Woking 0 7,750/wk 7,230/wk Okay 6036 (2500) F. Basic Adequate F. Basic Shrewsbury/Met Police WSM 220,000 8,500/wk 6,610/wk Secure 3000 (278) Basic Basic Basic None Croci. 230,000 8,500/wk 8,780/wk Okay 1641 (1616) Adequate Adequate Basic Prato/ Barrow 0 5,000/wk 7,430/wk Okay 4416 (1000) Adequate Basic Limited Bristol Rovers/ Hinck. 0 5,750/wk 4,310/wk Okay 4329 (630) F. Basic Basic Basic Leic./Barwll, Long Buckby Motala 475,00 13,750/wk 8,140/wk Insecure 4700 (1000) Adequate Basic F. Basic Trelleborg/ Canvey 0 3,400/wk 2,360/wk Okay 4308 (500) F. Basic Basic Basic Colchester/ Club Avg. Att Status Woking 846 Semi-pro WSM 365 Semi-pro Croci. 160 (Promoted after 3 years) Professional Barrow 628 Semi-pro Hinck. 420 Semi-pro Motala 312 Professional Canvey 368 (Promoted after 10 year) Semi-pro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Forget matrixes. Join me and deadfncat in Italy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK22 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Italy seems the place to be atm! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Right, I have made my decision. And it's off to.... Woking FC It was a tough decision, but in the end I opt for Surrey. It's only a part-time gig through the end of the season. But at $950/week, it's pretty good for part-time work. They're not paying me the most (Barrow offered $1200/week), but they're (arguably) the biggest of the 7 clubs to offer me a job. The others all had various faults with them: Weston-Super Mare: Less than 100 season ticket holders. Crociati Noceto: A loan debt that exceeds the value of the club, less than 50 season ticket holders, and have to pay $12,000/year in rent. Hinckley United: Less than 100 season ticket holders, squashed in between Coventry and Leicester (thinking that would make it tough to draw fans), and a loan debt equal to the club's value. Motala AIF: This Swedish club would have allowed me some low-pressure end-of-season games to evaluate the squad, but they have a $300,000 loan debt and are valued at only $80,000, with less than 75 season ticket holders. And they have to pay $2500/year rent. Canvey Island: No staff (not that the others had great staffs) and only 76 season ticket holders. Also predicted to have a very difficult season. So really it came down to Woking or Barrow. Both are debt-free and own their stadiums, but Woking is the more valuable club ($725,000 vs. $450,000), have more than double the season-ticket holders (452 v. 200), and (at least last season) drew about 220 more fans per game. But what cinched it was Woking being $500/week under their wage budget (well, before hiring me), while Barrow are almost $2500/week over their wage budget. So probably more room to operate with the Surrey-based club. It'll be a long season ahead (I usually dislike managing in England because of how long the season is), but we have a good possibility of success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 And since I was on holiday when World Cup 2018 took place: Group A: 1. Czech Republic 2. Italy 3. Morocco 4. Colombia Group B: 1. Brazil 2. USA 3. Belgium 4. Saudi Arabia Group C: 1. Switzerland 2. Holland 3. Mexico 4. Paraguay Group D: 1. Croatia 2. Slovakia 3. Uruguay 4. South Africa Group E: 1. Argentina 2. Canada 3. Iran 4. Denmark Group F: 1. England 2. Senegal 3. Scotland 4. South Korea Group G: 1. Sweden 2. Japan 3. Portugal 4. Egypt Group H: 1. France 2. Cameroon 3. Turkey 4. China Second round USA 2-0 Czech Republic Brazil 0-1 Italy Switzerland 1-2 Uruguay Holland 1-1p Croatia Argentina 1-1p Senegal Canada 0-2e England Sweden 1-0 Turkey France p1-1 Japan Quarterfinal USA 1-2 Croatia Italy p1-1 Uruguay Senegal 0-1 France England 2-0 Sweden Semifinal Croatia 1-2 England Italy 0-1e France Third-place Italy 1-0 Croatia Final England 0-2 France World Cup 2022 is scheduled for Australia and World Cup 2026 has been awarded to.....Mexico. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 So here's what I've got myself into: Expectations Blue Square South: "Respectable league position" (Media: 8th) FA Cup: Reach 1st Round FA Trophy: Reach 2nd Round Finances Balance: -$322,075 Kit sponsorship: $24,750/season through 2019-20 Ass man's assessment: Concentration: High Flair: High Dribble: Good First touch: Good Passing: Best Fitness: Good Technique: Good Age: Old (average age is 23. ) So it looks like I have some talent to work with, though my assistant says we're pretty week in goal and central defense. But we have 3-1/2 and 4-star talent in midfield and up top. Guess that means we'll just have play a swashbuckling style. I'll also have to keep an eye on the finances. A nice run in the FA Cup could sure help out, but my priority is always the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadfncat Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 good luck mate! Australia got the 2022 WC lols Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 3-0 win in my first match. Did kind of leave it late though. Went up 1-0 inside of 2 minutes with a classic "On me 'ead, son!" delivery from a free kick. Were fortunate when Lewes smacked an 81st minute against the bar; at that point we stopped arseing around and put 2 past the opposing keeper to finish off the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 First foray into the transfer market with Woking brings 18-year-old Man City product Joe Garton on free transfer. Actually beat off the likes of Nottingham Forest and Crystal Palace for his signature. My goalkeeping coaching thinks he would be a good League 1 player right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Good luck dude! Hopefully you'll get in to the Football League! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK22 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Good luck with Woking. Think you made the right decision, decent club structure there. Should get promotion without too much difficulty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Unfortunately I just lost my M/AML for 5-6 months with a broken foot. Dude oozes quality at this level. Has 2 goals and 2 assists in our first 5 games. EDIT: And it's good I didn't take the Canvey job. They just got beat 1-7 by St. Albans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Damn those English!!! Good luck at Woking Jason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Damn those English!!! Theo Walcott in the 112th and 116th minutes. Canadians were a bit fortunate to get that far though, as an English newgen missed a penalty in the 79th minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSYoungEsq Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Heh, you should have taken Hinckley. I've had success with them under FM10. Best of luck! Glad they finally came through with some jobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 I'm sad to report that Yanbian are the latest Chinese team to suffer successive relegations. The new man in charge has sold off pretty much all my players, and they'll be playing in the third level in 2019. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadfncat Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 wow that sucks. I keep watching my old teams and hoping they dont **** up too much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raware Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Wow! From the Super League of China challenging for ACL qualification to the Blue Square South of England! It's going to be tough but im sure you'll have fun . I'm a little surprised that you didn't get any offers from bigger clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Booo. Poor Yanbian. Hate it when the AI ruins everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Sensible choice going to Woking there Jason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSYoungEsq Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Yeah, that's no dog, Woking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason the Yank Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 Wow! From the Super League of China challenging for ACL qualification to the Blue Square South of England! It's going to be tough but im sure you'll have fun . Well, we were never really challenging for the ACL. Am surprised it fell apart so quickly though. :/ I'm a little surprised that you didn't get any offers from bigger clubs. Thinking it's because of the American/Sunday League combination. And managing in a relatively low-profile league like China (CSL was only 2 stars when I left and ranked 10th in Asia. Even India is rated ahead of it, which I find a little odd since, IIRC, they don't have an ACL spot. But maybe they're doing well in the AFC Cup). I'm more surprised that it took more than a year to get an offer. Might start up a game with "Automatic" reputation and see if that changes things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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