English Premier Division Data discussion

15 hours ago, momo11arsenal said:

Thanks for answering me!

That's not the case in the game. There is no days to eligibility in the player`s profile.

Thanks, I'll get this looked into.

Not sure who does the Newcastle research now, but they've done a good job I think. 

I'm here to make a case for a significant upgrade to Kieran Trippier though! Bruno Guimaraes has been getting a lot of the plaudits for our performances this season but imo Trippier is at least - if not more - responsible for this. Trips has recently said himself that he is playing the best football of his career right now and there's a lot of evidence available to back that up. I realise we're a bit late for full release so something to consider for winter update maybe. 

Set Pieces

Our effectiveness in set pieces is in part due to the innovation of our coaches (some upgrades to the coaching staff to be made??), but also thanks to Trippier's delivery. His corners, long or short are fantastic. Trippier has the most shot creating actions from dead balls this season so far:

He has 3 direct free kick goals this calendar year despite being injured for months. Also has hit the post on a few occasions. I think he should be amongst the best in the league for this.

Suggestion:

Corners: 14 > 16

Free kicks: 16 > 17

Technicals

Kieran Trippier's passing and crossing ability is on a par with Trent Alexander-Arnold's. Yes, you heard! He is a very, very technical player.

PL full backs this season:

Obviously, his set pieces contribute to a lot of the above (same as Trent), but he has the joint most through balls from full back (with Trent), joint 4th in the league overall and is really high up on progressive passes. His long passing completion rate is fantastic. I don't think any of the above is reflected in the game. See also this xThreat graph:

His xThreat from passes is second only to KDB in the league. He is a playmaker who is controlling games from right back. 

Suggestions:

Passing: 13 > 16

Crossing: 16 > 17

First touch: 14 > 16

Technique: 14 > 16

Dribbling: 12 > 10. He doesn't dribble. Giving him the same attribute as Schar and only a point behind Almiron is too generous. 

Vision: 14 > 15

Physicals

He's not quick and can be ran at/dribbled past reasonably easily. Thankfully he makes up for this by marking his opponent very tightly/aggressively and rarely giving them the opportunity (perhaps add ppm marks opponent tightly?).

He is however exceptionally fit. He plays the entire right flank for us. He plays right back but as soon as we win the ball his is sprinting to be in a right winger position and this is all game every game. He came back from injury very well, is able to play every game and doesn't seem to be declining at all at 32 years of age.

Suggestions:

Acceleration: 13 > 12

Pace: 14 > 12

Stamina: 16 > 18

Natural Fitness: 16 > 19

Mentals and Hidden:

Assuming the Newcastle researcher is a Newcastle fan I don't need to explain how transformative his leadership and professionalism have been for us. He is the best leader we have had since Shearer and a model pro. 

Suggestions:

Leadership: 16 > 19

Professionalism: 15 > 18

Important matches: 11 > 16

Pressure: 13 > 18

Temperament: 14 > 16

Determination: 15 > 18

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I think the above will require a substantial CA rise or 6 or 7 points (using fmrte to get a guage), but he is one of the best full backs in the world now. In the game he's miles off this and I don't think his profile reflects the technical nature of his game. 

Good Evening!
Don't know if it was reported before.

During the first season in Premiere League, all the loan players return to their club the 30th of May... It was a problem because the FA cup final was the 3rd of June :/  

10 hours ago, Smallen said:

Not sure who does the Newcastle research now, but they've done a good job I think. 

I'm here to make a case for a significant upgrade to Kieran Trippier though! Bruno Guimaraes has been getting a lot of the plaudits for our performances this season but imo Trippier is at least - if not more - responsible for this. Trips has recently said himself that he is playing the best football of his career right now and there's a lot of evidence available to back that up. I realise we're a bit late for full release so something to consider for winter update maybe. 

Set Pieces

Our effectiveness in set pieces is in part due to the innovation of our coaches (some upgrades to the coaching staff to be made??), but also thanks to Trippier's delivery. His corners, long or short are fantastic. Trippier has the most shot creating actions from dead balls this season so far:

He has 3 direct free kick goals this calendar year despite being injured for months. Also has hit the post on a few occasions. I think he should be amongst the best in the league for this.

Suggestion:

Corners: 14 > 16

Free kicks: 16 > 17

Technicals

Kieran Trippier's passing and crossing ability is on a par with Trent Alexander-Arnold's. Yes, you heard! He is a very, very technical player.

PL full backs this season:

Obviously, his set pieces contribute to a lot of the above (same as Trent), but he has the joint most through balls from full back (with Trent), joint 4th in the league overall and is really high up on progressive passes. His long passing completion rate is fantastic. I don't think any of the above is reflected in the game. See also this xThreat graph:

His xThreat from passes is second only to KDB in the league. He is a playmaker who is controlling games from right back. 

Suggestions:

Passing: 13 > 16

Crossing: 16 > 17

First touch: 14 > 16

Technique: 14 > 16

Dribbling: 12 > 10. He doesn't dribble. Giving him the same attribute as Schar and only a point behind Almiron is too generous. 

Vision: 14 > 15

Physicals

He's not quick and can be ran at/dribbled past reasonably easily. Thankfully he makes up for this by marking his opponent very tightly/aggressively and rarely giving them the opportunity (perhaps add ppm marks opponent tightly?).

He is however exceptionally fit. He plays the entire right flank for us. He plays right back but as soon as we win the ball his is sprinting to be in a right winger position and this is all game every game. He came back from injury very well, is able to play every game and doesn't seem to be declining at all at 32 years of age.

Suggestions:

Acceleration: 13 > 12

Pace: 14 > 12

Stamina: 16 > 18

Natural Fitness: 16 > 19

Mentals and Hidden:

Assuming the Newcastle researcher is a Newcastle fan I don't need to explain how transformative his leadership and professionalism have been for us. He is the best leader we have had since Shearer and a model pro. 

Suggestions:

Leadership: 16 > 19

Professionalism: 15 > 18

Important matches: 11 > 16

Pressure: 13 > 18

Temperament: 14 > 16

Determination: 15 > 18

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I think the above will require a substantial CA rise or 6 or 7 points (using fmrte to get a guage), but he is one of the best full backs in the world now. In the game he's miles off this and I don't think his profile reflects the technical nature of his game. 

Firstly, thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you agree with the majority of my ratings.

 

I do love Tripps, and he is a player who makes such a difference. I'm happy to go and have a look at his ratings again. Although, it's very unlikely we will agree on everything ratings-wise, I will review him 😀

On 26/10/2022 at 02:20, NewcastleRevs1 said:

Possible to update Sven Botman and Almiron? Both having outstanding seasons so far but are viewed as championship quality in game. 
Would suggest Brendan aaronson is low as well. Not a technically elite attacker but quickness and work rate should both be through the roof for him. 
Steffan overrated for city, Turner a bit underrated for Arsenal. Turner has proven to be a stronger player (elite shot stopper though not strong distributor) and Steffan struggling to get time on loan (subpar shot stopper). 

Thanks for the suggestions 😀. As Botman was a new signing, his rating was mostly determined by the Lille researcher, however don't be surprised to see a bit of a boost to his rating in the winter update if he carries on playing the way he is!

 

Miggy has been a revelation, and as such has had his CA increased this year to 140. Again, I'll be reviewing him in the winter update! 

12 hours ago, Gilwho said:

Good Evening!
Don't know if it was reported before.

During the first season in Premiere League, all the loan players return to their club the 30th of May... It was a problem because the FA cup final was the 3rd of June :/  

Thanks @Gilwho - I will investigate.

On 31/10/2022 at 20:12, llama3 said:

@Dan Ormsby- very minor one, but Arsenal's 2nd goalkeeper kit is more of a bright turquoise than a light green. 

Also doesn't look like light grey change socks are included, or the grey 3rd goalkeeper kit (I haven't seen them in-game)

@Dan Ormsby

Thanks @llama3 - I haven't seen the grey 3rd GK kit; please will you link to images of it, or tell me in which match it has been used?

16 hours ago, kevinhowourth said:

Firstly, thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you agree with the majority of my ratings.

 

I do love Tripps, and he is a player who makes such a difference. I'm happy to go and have a look at his ratings again. Although, it's very unlikely we will agree on everything ratings-wise, I will review him 😀

No problem and nice one. 

The only other one I have major issues with is Botman but appreciate he's not been in your file long!

Can’t find former Man United coaches Mike Phelan and Rene Meulensteen in the beta?

Also, Lisandro Martinez attributes need an increase in the full release November 8. At the very least his PA.

I’m potentially quite wrong here and I certainly have nothing evidential to back up what I’m saying but just wanted to mention it anyway. Bearing in mind I can’t really back it up I’m quite happy to be told I’m wrong. 🙂

As a Liverpool fan, we’ve seen this season the deterioration of some of our midfielders. There’s probably other factors contributing to this around the team as a whole but that’s a different discussion.

However, Jordan Henderson having stamina of 18 no longer seems realistic. Fabinho has pace and acceleration of 14. I presume he always had this but this seems too much. It may be he is that quick but if that is the case then I certainly think his agility should be lower than 14. He just doesn’t move very well, but makes up for this with the way he reads the game.

Maybe they’re both just tired this season after last, who knows, but these stats don’t seem to be what the naked eye shows.

Cheers. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by guruhd

On 03/11/2022 at 10:14, Pete Sottrel said:

@Dan Ormsby

Thanks @llama3 - I haven't seen the grey 3rd GK kit; please will you link to images of it, or tell me in which match it has been used?

Hi Pete,

Used in home game vs Aston Villa and last night against Zurich at home.

Cheers

Edited November 4, 2022 by llama3

Some edits I would recommend for West Ham

- Pablo Fornals should have some knowledge of playing at LWB, he played there a couple of times last season

- Ben Johnson should have some knowledge of playing at CB, he's played there couple of times this season due to injuries

- Tomas Soucek is overrated imo. I think his finishing should be around 12, also stuff like composure, decisions and off the ball should be around 12-13 rather than 15-16

- Kurt Zouma's acceleration of 18 feels very high. He's looked a bit stiff all year, I would have this around 13-14

Will this be updated for release? I know the data is locked, so. 

 

 

Summerville at Leeds needs a bit of an upgrade.

On 04/11/2022 at 20:01, llama3 said:

Hi Pete,

Used in home game vs Aston Villa and last night against Zurich at home.

Cheers

Thanks very much, @llama3 - I will amend the database accordingly.  Unfortunately, the kit will not make it to the release version of FM2023.

Hi, Arteta and a lot of Arsenal players dont have the 2020 Community Shield win on their profile 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Platinum

Soton's Tyler Dibling has a double transfer from Chelsea and back, which is wrong according to his transfermarkt profile

8 hours ago, Pete Sottrel said:

Thanks very much, @llama3 - I will amend the database accordingly.  Unfortunately, the kit will not make it to the release version of FM2023.

That’s grand @Pete Sottrel - appreciate responsiveness as always

1 hour ago, roussos said:

Soton's Tyler Dibling has a double transfer from Chelsea and back, which is wrong according to his transfermarkt profile

FM's right and Transfermarkt wrong (as it fairly often is) in this instance - https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/20883398.youngster-returns-southampton-just-weeks-making-chelsea-move/

On 04/11/2022 at 06:07, Stevmon said:

Can’t find former Man United coaches Mike Phelan and Rene Meulensteen in the beta?

Phelan isn't in the game currently as he is employed at MUFC but not seemingly in a role that is present in FM. Meulensteen should be in there as assistant manager with Australia - i assume he might not appear if a smaller database is chosen at game start? 

On 04/11/2022 at 06:08, Stevmon said:

Also, Lisandro Martinez attributes need an increase in the full release November 8. At the very least his PA.

The database for the full release has long since been locked for everything bar major issues like managerial changes etc. Martinez will be significantly improved for the next data update but that won't be tomorrow. 

I'm not sure Diego Carlos' injury should be in-game. He got injured after the start of the season (he played 2 x PL games for Aston Villa). Considering you can collect injuries in pre-season in-game too, not sure it's fair to start with ones actually suffered after the start of the game, but especially not the start of the season.

Edit: Forgot to quote...

Edited November 7, 2022 by george_nufc
Forgot to quote

1 hour ago, llama3 said:

I'm not sure Diego Carlos' injury should be in-game. He got injured after the start of the season (he played 2 x PL games for Aston Villa). Considering you can collect injuries in pre-season in-game too, not sure it's fair to start with ones actually suffered after the start of the game, but especially not the start of the season.

As far as I'm aware any injuries that occurred before the end of the transfer window are included as clubs still have time to replace these players.