drawntowardsthewater Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Have you ever seen yourself or the AI opposition get away with less than a red after one of the players has performed the 'awful tackle' sequence on an opponent? You know the one I mean, both legs flailing, recipient goes down hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Kelly Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 No. And it's happend to me 3 times in 8 games in my current godforsaken season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 The two violent acts that are included in this game are The Elbow and The Violent, Two-Feet Tackle. The first you often see as a player walking towards the referee, then being shown a red card, or an unexplained penalty after a free kick or corner. The second you see as a player suddenly whacking down a player with both feet, for no apparent reason, and usually in the middle of the field. What is important to understand regarding these so-called "violent tackles" is that they aren't really tackles. Tactical settings, team talks and visible attributes have very little to do with when these situtations occur and who does them - they are not caused by anything we managers do. They are acts of violence caused by the hidden attributes Sportsmanship and Temperament, and a random factor easily recognized as "poor team form". They usually come in batches where you will have at least one such incident happen every third match and alarmingly often every match, and since it is difficult to get results with one man less on the field the poor form often stays for a while. In real life there is a much wider variety of violence on the pitch, like kicks or punches, but these aren't in the game. Think of the "two-feet violent tackle" being an uncontroversial representative of these acts, rather than an actual tackle involving attributes like Aggression and Tackling. This explains why, when this happens, the player won't get away with a yellow or a talking-to. It isn't a tackle leading to a red card - it is a red card with an uncontroversial animation sequence representing a player completely losing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urzzz Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 If you explore the commentary file of the game you will see other such 'incidents' like Mass brawl between the two teams and 'Player 1 has punched the ref square in the nose' Although these arn't coded into the game ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hluraven Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I'm fairly sure I was amazed to once only see a yellow for a two-footed tackle, but I may have seen a slightly different animation. I was shocked though, as I assumed it would be a red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 i'm concerned about these, they just "happen" for no decent reason, if team is told to tackle, then fair enough, but i tell them to hassle. then you get a random 2 footed lunge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikulec Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 As soon as I see a two-footed challenge, I know it's going to be a red. There should be more variety in violence, I'd like SI to make a use of commentary lines mentioned by Urzzz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 IIRC those commentary lines are leftovers from old versions, before SEGA/SI became afraid of lawsuits [still don't get why someone should sue about an in-game brawl and not about a "regular" red card, a missed penalty or a dreadful season]. Indeed we need more variety and more controversy with red cards... When one of your players is sent off, there's a 99.9% chance he actually deserved it. No reason to appeal or to complain about the ref after the game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikulec Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I hate these "legal reasons" bollocks. Come on, from that point of view injuries, fouls or fines shouldn't be in the game too. It's virtual reality and not the real world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Marc Vaughan Posted August 2, 2012 SI Staff Share Posted August 2, 2012 As soon as I see a two-footed challenge, I know it's going to be a red. There should be more variety in violence, I'd like SI to make a use of commentary lines mentioned by Urzzz. Might interest you to know that they're present and used in FMH (ie. they're not blocked for legal reasons). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Might interest you to know that they're present and used in FMH (ie. they're not blocked for legal reasons). So why the legal issues for the main game then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemeures Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Might interest you to know that they're present and used in FMH (ie. they're not blocked for legal reasons). Why would the legal reasons be any different? Hopefully that meens they can be put into fm13? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikulec Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Might interest you to know that they're present and used in FMH (ie. they're not blocked for legal reasons). Have you ever had legal problems because of some violent conduct that happened in game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenzar Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Isn't the commentary file also from CM4? It says so at the top IIRC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manworker Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 I have had players get off with a yellow when the violent tackle animation is shown, it doesnt happen very often though. I was amazed every time it happens since it is usually a straight red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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