-PA question

If I were to ask very politely could anyone perhaps tell me what this 10.3 fix means?

- Adjusted conversion of negative PA values

If you ask very nicely.

The conversion rates of negative PA are as follows:

-1 = 0-20

-2 = 20-40

-3 = 40-60

-4 = 60-80

-5 = 80-100

-6 = 100-120

-7 = 120-140

-8 = 140-160

-9 = 160-180

-10 = 180-200

SI must have adjusted the values slightly.

I supose it means they have changed what potential ability range young players with -1 to -10 fall into when the game starts?

I think some of them used to meet each other. IIRC, (which I probably don't), -9 could go up to 185, whereas -10 had a minimum of 180. Basically there was a small overlap between each value. The values Vic put there don't have that anymore.

-9 could go to 179 mate, but -10 could get you 170. Close enough memory though

-9 could go to 179 mate, but -10 could get you 170. Close enough memory though

I prefer the new ones.

Yea...that's what I meant to say.

I always thought it was weird that it overlapped, so I guess that's a good fix by SI. Plus -10 seemed to imply they had potential to be one of the best players ever, which 170-180 doesn't really represent if you ask me.

Cheers, all for the quick replies...I have to admit that I was quite fond of the overlaps though and I'm a bit surprised that SI went with less variance rather than more but oh well.

Also, I hate this patch, my tactics don't work, no one can head, Landon Donovan is missing, yada yada yada.

Cheers, all for the quick replies...I have to admit that I was quite fond of the overlaps though and I'm a bit surprised that SI went with less variance rather than more but oh well.

Also, I hate this patch, my tactics don't work, no one can head, Landon Donovan is missing, yada yada yada.

Yah I liked the overlap too. Isn't that the whole point of a negative PA? Because how can you be sure that a player will be that that that great. Or how can you be sure he won't. That overlapping kind of makes it more realistic. Although I still would like a range for a PA instead of a fixed number.

If you ask very nicely.

The conversion rates of negative PA are as follows:

-1 = 0-20

-2 = 20-40

-3 = 40-60

-4 = 60-80

-5 = 80-100

-6 = 100-120

-7 = 120-140

-8 = 140-160

-9 = 160-180

-10 = 180-200

SI must have adjusted the values slightly.

But in my game players like Kroos and Ramsey have PAs below 180...And some -9 have less than 150PA

Yea...that's what I meant to say.

I always thought it was weird that it overlapped, so I guess that's a good fix by SI. Plus -10 seemed to imply they had potential to be one of the best players ever, which 170-180 doesn't really represent if you ask me.

A player with 160 CA can still be top class, 180 is definently an excellent player. Its not as much about the CA or PA as much as it is about the attribute distrubution.

For example a striker with 170 CA could be worse than a striker with 160 CA purely because the striker with the lower CA has their stats distributed better to make a better striker.

I prefer the old overlapping negative values which also had a bit of a wider range

This looks a tad too rigid for me

If you ask very nicely.

The conversion rates of negative PA are as follows:

-1 = 1-20

-2 = 20-40

-3 = 40-60

-4 = 60-80

-5 = 80-100

-6 = 100-120

-7 = 120-140

-8 = 140-160

-9 = 160-180

-10 = 180-200

SI must have adjusted the values slightly.

Those are wrong, it's actually-

-1 = 0-20

-2 = 10-40

-3 = 30-60

-4 = 50-80

-5 = 70-100

-6 = 90-120

-7 = 110-140

-8 = 130-160

-9 = 150-180

-10 = 170-200

It was confirmed somewhere else that the change has just improved the spread of those PAs, so not too many players end up at the upper or lower end of each range.

With -10 there is less chance of players getting 190-200.

Edit: -1 obviously can't be 0-20, updated to 1-20.

Those are wrong, it's actually-

-1 = 0-20

-2 = 10-40

-3 = 30-60

-4 = 50-80

-5 = 70-100

-6 = 90-120

-7 = 110-140

-8 = 130-160

-9 = 150-180

-10 = 170-200

It was confirmed somewhere else that the change has just improved the spread of those PAs, so not too many players end up at the upper or lower end of each range.

With -10 there is less chance of players getting 190-200.

The values I listed were the PA ranges before SI changed them, which I think I make pretty clear. So they're obviously wrong now.

The values I listed were the PA ranges before SI changed them, which I think I make pretty clear. So they're obviously wrong now.

No they weren't, -10 was still 170-200 on previous patches of fm 10 and on fm 09, before that i'm not sure.

Scoham's list is what I regard as the OLD values though and I'd be very happy to see them being kept.

These values are in place for a very long time now.

No they weren't, -10 was still 170-200 on previous patches of fm 10 and on fm 09, before that i'm not sure.

Not on FM09 it wasn't.

Not on FM09 it wasn't.

i could have sworn it was. oh well.

I'm still with Charlo here.

When I was a researcher for FM05 and FM06 it was already like Scoham posted and as he is still a researcher I'm sure that he knows his stuff (researchers get the list from SI to be able to use it). Also all the time I have never seen the list Vic posted but always the other one, so I'm convinced it wasn't like that at any point over the last 5 years at least.

I'm still with Charlo here.

When I was a researcher for FM05 and FM06 it was already like Scoham posted and as he is still a researcher I'm sure that he knows his stuff (researchers get the list from SI to be able to use it). Also all the time I have never seen the list Vic posted but always the other one, so I'm convinced it wasn't like that at any point over the last 5 years at least.

I saw that list when FM09 was being played, and I'm sure it was confirmed by SI.

But... it was a long time ago, so I could be wrong.

-9 could go to 179 mate, but -10 could get you 170. Close enough memory though

-9 can get up to 180...But I noticed so far everyone cant reach the exact PA, at most is 1 point behind like 179 then it stops..

The values I listed were the PA ranges before SI changed them, which I think I make pretty clear. So they're obviously wrong now.

They've been the values I've posted since FM 2005 and still are.

Where did you get yours from?

They've been the values I've posted since FM 2005 and still are.

Where did you get yours from?

Are you sure? :/

Someone posted those values up while we were all playing FM09 and, as I've said, I'm sure someone from SI confirmed them... :confused:

Everything you need is here

Means from a more normal (even odds) distribution to a Gaussian (bell curve) distribution.

Are you sure? :/

Someone posted those values up while we were all playing FM09 and, as I've said, I'm sure someone from SI confirmed them... :confused:

There has been 2 -PA systems so far

- the original -1 and -2 system where -1 = 1-100 PA, and -2 = 101 - 200 PA

- the current overlapping PA systems of -1 to -10. The PA range has never been changed so Scoham is right on this.

Everything you need is here

Means from a more normal (even odds) distribution to a Gaussian (bell curve) distribution.

So we were both wrong?

There has been 2 -PA systems so far

- the original -1 and -2 system where -1 = 1-100 PA, and -2 = 101 - 200 PA

- the current overlapping PA systems of -1 to -10. The PA range has never been changed so Scoham is right on this.

The values listed in the thread you linked are different to what both of us listed...

The values listed in the thread you linked are different to what both of us listed...

There has been 2 -PA systems so far

- the original -1 and -2 system where -1 = 1-100 PA, and -2 = 101 - 200 PA (older FM series)

- the current overlapping PA systems of -1 to -10. (newer CM / FM series, unchanged in 10.3) These PA ranges has never been changed so Scoham is right on this.

Fixed. Should have made it clearer.

The values listed in the thread you linked are different to what both of us listed...

The ones I posted are the same as in that other thread aren't they? Apart from -1, which I believe actually is 1-20 and not 0 (which isn't possible) or 1-30.

PA's aren't everything - its attributes that are important. If a striker has a PA of 190 but has 20's in tackling and other defensive atts, he will still likely be no better or worse than a 150 with the right high scores in the rgiht places.