youth players

is there a way to have good players come through the youth ranks

it seems that the bigger the team reputation the better the youth players, but in real football you have good young players at lower league teams who turn out to be premiership quality like joe hart

at the moment my championship side is producing pretty poor youth players, so is there a way to encourage a better standard of youth player?

is there a way to have good players come through the youth ranks

it seems that the bigger the team reputation the better the youth players, but in real football you have good young players at lower league teams who turn out to be premiership quality like joe hart

at the moment my championship side is producing pretty poor youth players, so is there a way to encourage a better standard of youth player?

Better training facilities, better coaches, etc. But that's all money-related. So smaller teams will obviously struggle. I suppose you need small success, before you can improve youth. Or you might just get lucky once in a while

thats the thing thats a little unrealistic though, because joe hart came from shewsbury (i'm not sure why he's become my example) and their training facilities will nto be good as say newcastle's but they haven't produced any goofd young players for years now

so for it to be dependant on these things seems a little unfair

I think Joe Hart is a rare example. Most of the best young players are snapped up by the big clubs at an early age (13-16). A few will slip through the net. Some players just suddenly "get good" to be honest. You might not stop someone's ability or potential until a later age.

*stop = spot

but in terms of football manager it will be to do with reputation, finances and training and youth facilities then?

Personally I think it's a little random when it comes to top quality youth coming through. I've played one game up until 2025(ish) and have seen some top class regens start out at practically unknown clubs, and some come through top class clubs.

I don't think having top class youth facilities makes a whole lot of difference. Another reason I think it's random is that if you save in June (can't remember the exact date, I think it's the 29th) the day before the regens are due to come through and then keep saving and re-loading after the youth come through you'll get all sorts of different PA youths coming through each time. One time you may get a 180+ PA regen but you might have to reload another 20 times before you'll get such a player again. Or you might get a 180+ PA player two re-loads in a row.

It would be nice if certain clubs with proven background in producing quality youth players (Ajax, West Ham, Crewe etc) ended up getting more top quality regens than average.

Whatever the standard of the youth team is, you should atleast get luckly once in a while. Even if you lose your player to a big club even before reaching 18 still you make money out of him.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ihateregistering:

but in terms of football manager it will be to do with reputation, finances and training and youth facilities then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Certainly, yes. You'd need top, top facilities to produce first-team talent.

For example, I'm at Spurs in 2027 with the best facilities you can get - we produce one potential Premiership star per year, and maybe one or two others that would be suitable for lower Premiership clubs (although these players might not necessarily reach that potential).

Most of the players you produce (at any level) will never be good enough for your first-team.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ihateregistering:

but in terms of football manager it will be to do with reputation, finances and training and youth facilities then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone actually made some tests regarding youth (you might find the thread if you search for it) and it seems it is more or less just based on the reputation and to a lesser degree your facilities (dont remember if facilities even mattered).

FM reaaaaly likes to use the reputation for waaaay to many things.

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yea they really do, i hate having to play chelsea or man utd or any of the top 4 sides in this game, i never win

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yea they really do, i hate having to play chelsea or man utd or any of the top 4 sides in this game, i never win </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is probably how most real life managers feel in the Premiership

especially as newcastle manager

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jakobx:

Someone actually made some tests regarding youth (you might find the thread if you search for it) and it seems it is more or less just based on the reputation and to a lesser degree your facilities (dont remember if facilities even mattered).

FM reaaaaly likes to use the reputation for waaaay to many things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd have to disagree with this, although I haven't read the test you mentioned, but in my game i'm in 2018 and I used Genie Scout to check out some PA's I noticed that very few of the high PA's were from top countries or top teams.

There were actually only 2 English under 21's with a PA over 170 and they both played for Portsmouth. The three players with best PA under 21 years of age were from Burkina Faso, Greece and DR Congo, none of them were attached to a club.

where do you get genie scout from?

in 10 years at man u, ive only had 1 player come through to my first team, a keeper as it happens.

I poach most of my youngsters from Man U, who seem to have loads of great FREDs. Ajax do too, but most of them sign contracts with the club quickly.

I just signed a young FRED from Man U with a higher CA than Paul Scholes, because they didn't offer him a contract!

whats a FRED?

i think that even though youth facilities have a massive bearing on the quality of the youngster, there can be some that are good, i mean when i was at celtic, i found a DM that was without a club from russia, he couldn't get a WP but i reckoned by the time he'd came to the end of it, he'd get one, sadly though he didn't, and was poached by Atalanta, playing in the first team at 20, i also found a striker at Maribor in Slovenia, who turned out to be a great purchase.

In my game i got a few good ones with Rio Ave.

IRL the smaller clubs often get good young player because they are more likely to play them than say in the prem (less risk)

Is a FRED a real youth player at that start (the real players from youth team)??

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whats a FRED? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A regen/newgen player. I think some people refer to greyed out players as Freds too.

I didn't think anybody used the word FRED anymore.

FRED is what they used to call "regens". (re-generated player)

And I prefer "newgens" anyway More accurate term. (newly-generated player_

So yeah...

I am in my 5 season since the new patch and have a brilliant youth academy and scouts all over the world but have found it very random how the newgens appear.

I decided to test it, so saved just before a new batch was promoted. Then loaded, continued the game one day and checked with Genie - then repeated. Mostly, the best I got was one good player of 150 pa and reasonable skills (most of the other players were at best 135 pa). Occassionaly, I got a player of 170 - this about 1/10 chance each time I reloaded. In addition, I often got players from Countries that my scouts specialised in and where I had feeder clubs.

I used Genie to check what newgens had been added to the database and my findings were some went to teams with good academies but also to lower teams with very average academies.

In my game, I found that a higher percentage went to Brazillian teams. In previous games, pre latest patch, they went to Spainish and in a game before that - Italian teams.

Wouldn't getting a 170 PA player every year or 2 make the game less realistic? After 10 years your entire team could be filled with players from your youth program which wouldn't be very good.

Take Bayern IRL for example, they currently have 2 players that would be considered key players that came from youth, 1 player who will be key in the near future, and a handful that are backup players.

I would say on average that the big clubs have only a few players of significance in their squad that came from the youth program. Smaller clubs may be more I don't know.

I've played as Chelsea through to 2014, and didnt get a single decent player. I bought in all my youth and now have two risky buys in the first team.

I really think it's just luck.

Exactly it is just luck. And yes getting players 170 every year would be unrealistic. What I am saying, from my experiments, is the youth set-up does makes very little difference and lower teams with bad facilities were also getting very good players.