dom.march Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Could you please helpt me to upgrade my 442 Direct ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, dom.march said: Could you please helpt me to upgrade my 442 Direct ? What are you looking for help with? Is there anything in particular that you have noticed that you want to change/improve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J8mb0 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Counter press and lower line of engagement seem odd together. I'd have much higher line of engagement if playing attacking mentality and counter press because your team would naturally be higher up the pitch when they lose the ball. I like a box to box mf in a 442 with high stamina, work rate and teamwork. Close down opposition GK and play a pressing forward could be an option too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom.march Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 il y a une heure, Genghis a dit : What are you looking for help with? Is there anything in particular that you have noticed that you want to change/improve? yes I look for helt with TI and the players roles are they ok in your opinion ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom.march Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 il y a 13 minutes, J8mb0 a dit : Counter press and lower line of engagement seem odd together. I'd have much higher line of engagement if playing attacking mentality and counter press because your team would naturally be higher up the pitch when they lose the ball. I like a box to box mf in a 442 with high stamina, work rate and teamwork. Close down opposition GK and play a pressing forward could be an option too. I play Counter press when the opposition play positive or offensive, Lower line of engagement to be more compact. would you put the BtB in place of the CMS ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 5 hours ago, dom.march said: 5 hours ago, dom.march said: Could you please helpt me to upgrade my 442 Direct ? I don't know what you are trying to achieve with this tactic? Do you want to play a simple direct counter-attacking style? Or maybe hoofball of sorts? The setup of roles and duties does not seem conducive to either. Instructions are also problematic. You use much higher tempo, more direct passing and more urgent pressing even though you are playing on the Attacking mentality, which already sets all these to a pretty high level by default. I guess you are not aware of the effect the mentality has on all other elements of a tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom.march Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 il y a 8 minutes, Experienced Defender a dit : I don't know what you are trying to achieve with this tactic? Do you want to play a simple direct counter-attacking style? Or maybe hoofball of sorts? The setup of roles and duties does not seem conducive to either. Instructions are also problematic. You use much higher tempo, more direct passing and more urgent pressing even though you are playing on the Attacking mentality, which already sets all these to a pretty high level by default. I guess you are not aware of the effect the mentality has on all other elements of a tactic. I'd like to play a direct attacking 442 with gegenpressing and counter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, dom.march said: I'd like to play a direct attacking 442 with gegenpressing and counter 442 is not an ideal choice of formation for a gegenpress style in the first place. Plus, you cannot play a gegenpress-based style with a lower LOE. It makes no sense. Btw, are you sure your players are good enough to execute a gegenpressing tactic (or any high-pressing, high intensity tactic for that matter)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom.march Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 il y a 18 minutes, Experienced Defender a dit : 442 is not an ideal choice of formation for a gegenpress style in the first place. Plus, you cannot play a gegenpress-based style with a lower LOE. It makes no sense. Btw, are you sure your players are good enough to execute a gegenpressing tactic (or any high-pressing, high intensity tactic for that matter)? Thanks, i have choosen players with high determination, decision and work rate. i'm playing at 8th level so i want to keep it simple direct 442 with high pressure and speed. what do you think of the players roles ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, dom.march said: i have choosen players with high determination, decision and work rate What about their stamina, speed and natural fitness? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom.march Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 Il y a 14 heures, Experienced Defender a dit : What about their stamina, speed and natural fitness? between 9 and 11 which i think is good for 8th level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehig2 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) If you want to play direct I would... Remove distribute to Full Backs, playing direct the keeper needs to go long when something is on, I wouldn't restrict the keepers options here. Remove counter press, just high pressing and attacking mentality is enough, your players will be having heart attacks, id still consider dropping to positive. Consider a pressing forward on Support duty in instead of DLF, suits fast tempo and will be more effect at pressing in general. Remove Pass into Space, would only use this during match not as part of tactic. Y Its probabily causing you to give the ball away too often. Edited February 6, 2020 by thehig2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom.march Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Il y a 18 heures, thehig2 a dit : If you want to play direct I would... Remove distribute to Full Backs, playing direct the keeper needs to go long when something is on, I wouldn't restrict the keepers options here. Remove counter press, just high pressing and attacking mentality is enough, your players will be having heart attacks, id still consider dropping to positive. Consider a pressing forward on Support duty in instead of DLF, suits fast tempo and will be more effect at pressing in general. Remove Pass into Space, would only use this during match not as part of tactic. Y Its probabily causing you to give the ball away too often. Thank you, i ll try that. what about the role ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehig2 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, dom.march said: Thank you, i ll try that. what about the role ? Apart from the DLF the roles are how I set up mine in direct 4-4-2 tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjericho Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Since you want to play direct agressive football you can change the DLF/s to DLF/a, he will still drop back to help the midfield but will attack the box more often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robson 07 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 On 06/02/2020 at 12:14, thehig2 said: Remove Pass into Space Agree and here's why. I don't think you will find much space beyond your strikers (except in occasional counter attack sequence) because of how high and aggressive you are playing. Now you might get some spaces between you midfield line and the attack. However you are only using your right winger to really take advantage of that and regularly run into the spaces ahead of him. So he could benefit from the instruction but I don't see anyone else. Neither the left mid or the central mids have been given roles and duties that will consistently see them run into any spaces. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dom.march Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 Le 07/02/2020 à 16:25, kingjericho a dit : Since you want to play direct agressive football you can change the DLF/s to DLF/a, he will still drop back to help the midfield but will attack the box more often. Le 08/02/2020 à 09:59, Robson 07 a dit : Agree and here's why. I don't think you will find much space beyond your strikers (except in occasional counter attack sequence) because of how high and aggressive you are playing. Now you might get some spaces between you midfield line and the attack. However you are only using your right winger to really take advantage of that and regularly run into the spaces ahead of him. So he could benefit from the instruction but I don't see anyone else. Neither the left mid or the central mids have been given roles and duties that will consistently see them run into any spaces. thanks Guys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehig2 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 08/02/2020 at 08:59, Robson 07 said: Agree and here's why. I don't think you will find much space beyond your strikers (except in occasional counter attack sequence) because of how high and aggressive you are playing. Now you might get some spaces between you midfield line and the attack. However you are only using your right winger to really take advantage of that and regularly run into the spaces ahead of him. So he could benefit from the instruction but I don't see anyone else. Neither the left mid or the central mids have been given roles and duties that will consistently see them run into any spaces. My thoughts exactly I was too lazy to articulate it like that though lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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