Fragnat Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ive been trying to make this 4-3-3 work for a while, are there any glaring problems that you see? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomit Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Some contradicting team instructions you have there, in my opinion. Retain posession in a fairly attacking mentality (Control)? Look for overlap and run at defence? I play a similar formation/strategy as you, and have detailed what I do in this thread. Last post #176 atm. (Instead of writing it all again here) Btw; your tactical familiarity is very low. You can't get a setup like that to work properly before your players are very familiar with it. @kazm: Made for 4231? Just get a additional defensive midfielder and Arsenal are equally "made" for a 433 (or 451, whatever you prefer). Walcott can with a little bit of positional re-training play on both sides as a IF, so that you have plenty of options on eiher side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazm Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Besides that Arsenal are made for a 4231, shame Wllcot isn't playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloppyTouch Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I'd say the roles you have chosen for the central midfield means you are left too open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomit Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I'd say the roles you have chosen for the central midfield means you are left too open. I don't agree. If anything, I think having an anchor man in the DM position is a little bit too restrictive. I would go for a role that's not so limited. BBM and AP/attack combo works very well, provided you have the right players. Arsenal's midfield is very versatile, and you have plenty of options for every position/role. Just be careful about adding extra roaming in the player instructions, as there's already extra roaming in the team instructions. Both IF's can have some extra roaming though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird123 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Shouldn't you playing with rigid or balanced? I'm sure you have enough specialised roles in your side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragnat Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 I don't agree. If anything, I think having an anchor man in the DM position is a little bit too restrictive. I would go for a role that's not so limited. BBM and AP/attack combo works very well, provided you have the right players. Arsenal's midfield is very versatile, and you have plenty of options for every position/role. Just be careful about adding extra roaming in the player instructions, as there's already extra roaming in the team instructions. Both IF's can have some extra roaming though. In player instructions I had AP and BBM both to roam? Could that be why the results have been so inconstant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomit Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 It adds up. Your main concern is conflicting instructions and low tactical familiarity, but having both your CM's roam all over the place is probably not a very good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cululu Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 here is my 4-3-3, will it works? GK Defend DC stopper, cover 2WB attack: run wide with ball DM defense: tight marking CM AP attack CM Box to Box support: closing down more, further forward IF attack :move into channel, more drrible Deep Lying Forward Support: less drrible Counter Fluid Shout: Hassle opponent attack both flanks Higher Tempo short passing run at defense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamsDefined Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 here is my 4-3-3, will it works?GK Defend DC stopper, cover 2WB attack: run wide with ball DM defense: tight marking CM AP attack CM Box to Box support: closing down more, further forward IF attack :move into channel, more drrible Deep Lying Forward Support: less drrible Counter Fluid Shout: Hassle opponent attack both flanks Higher Tempo short passing run at defense "Will it work" completely depends on your team/the game/situation etc. So post some screenies of your team and you can get some help. But this is probably a more balanced 4-3-3: GK/defend 2 CB/defend 2 WB's. One on attack, one on support. CM AP/attack CM/support or automatic. maybe BBM if you've got the player for it. 2 IF's. One on attack, one on support, but opposite the WB's. So the left hand side might have WB/attack and IF/support, if that makes sense. DLF/support... maybe attack... would have to experiment with this. Reasoning: - stopper/cover DC combo is redundant if you have a DM. The stopper will just advance into DM space and leave a gaping hole in your backline. - personally wouldn't have exploit the flanks on a 4-3-3 as the play gets naturally focused down there anyway. limit your play otherwise and become one dimensional. - run at defense probably unnecessary... IF's and AP will do this anyway. - hassle opponents is always a bit sus for me, but it's a personal thing... i just find it can drag your formation all over the place. but i'm a shape fanatic. - not really sure what type of game you want to play... posession? counter? all out crazy attack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cululu Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 nice suggestion. i think i would go for counter. Should i use play narrower team shout to make the inside forward cut inside to create space for the wbs which run ball to wide? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamsDefined Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 nice suggestion.i think i would go for counter. Should i use play narrower team shout to make the inside forward cut inside to create space for the wbs which run ball to wide? Inside forward will cut inside anyway as that's part of the role - team width won't impact that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xinsomniacboix Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 You really don't want to be using more than 2 or 3 shouts at first while you figure out what's working and what's not. There's too much going on and it could be conflicting. Secondly, you need some support duties in attack. Giroud as a lone forward probably needs to be on support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazm Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 You really don't want to be using more than 2 or 3 shouts at first while you figure out what's working and what's not. There's too much going on and it could be conflicting. Secondly, you need some support duties in attack. Giroud as a lone forward probably needs to be on support. Agreed. So many tactics with 10-15 shouts, half of which contradict each other. People need to keep it simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamsDefined Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 You really don't want to be using more than 2 or 3 shouts at first while you figure out what's working and what's not. There's too much going on and it could be conflicting. Secondly, you need some support duties in attack. Giroud as a lone forward probably needs to be on support. Definitely! KISS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
max787 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I'd change Giroud to a support role, and change the team style from fluid to balanced as you have 3.5 specialist roles. Also, "hassle opponents" sets your D-line and pressing for the whole team to 20, so you may or may not want to change that. "Run at defence" isn't really necessary either, your attacking roles all have RWB often anyway (which probably isn't the most suitable thing for Giroud). "Be more expressive" coupled with a fluid style is going to give everyone massive CF too, probably too much CF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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