TheBetterHalf Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Here is my first season using the 4-4-2 Top Team set with Man Utd:Fixtures: Fixtures 1 Fixtures 2 Fixtures 3 Didn't have a worry going into any of the matches and dominated every single one. The game against tottenham was an unfortunate loss as the strikers seemed to get confused what sport they were playing every time they got into a good position. Real Madrid absolutley destroyed us in every single way but then went on to win the Champions league so no complaints about that. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'd highly recommend these tactic as theyre simple as they come and as a whole the team plays as a complete unit that 99% of the time can overcome anybody. Really good season mate ! You destroyed the league. Against Real M, what approach did you take ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janeka Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Here's my test with atalanta using 442 Bolton Tactic http://imageshack.us/f/189/serieaoverviewstages.png/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 CHELSEA 41221 A TOPTEAM & MIDDLETEAM TACTIC Notice ! The tactic is NOT uploaded. Instead, just follow the instructions as how to set it up. Any tweaks away from the pure TC-settings will be pointed out in the text and/or the screenies. Disclaimer: This is in no way an emulation. Here, we will find not 2 or 3 but 4 approaches. When playing wih a top notch team, the aim will always be to BE IN CONTROL OF THE GAME, no matter how the opponent chose to play .The key is to see if your players are finding space that they can exploit or of they have to create it them selves, if the players need to sit deeper and counter or if you have to push up and gain control by hassle the opponent The tactic uses complete fullbacks and a mobile and complete FC ( by quality, not role). In midfield, we use a anchorman, a creative player and one that is allowed to burst forward. Finding space. So in short, it’s a destroyer/marker, a creator and an explosive box2box. Down the wings, we use Inside forwards As you also see, this approach is not for top teams only, but also for middle teams. Top teams vs Middle teams – What approach am I most likely to use ? - Well, if playing a Chelsea, you are more likely to face defensive teams and actually be able to stretch them ( as you are quality), hence using the first approach more often than lets say Blackburn, that are morel likely to use the 2 counter approaches. General Tweaks away form the TC settings: - Focus play set to Mixed Also suited for : All teams that has many good central MCs and not too many FCs. Teams that do have the quality to finish top 12(!), i.e not being a real underdog 1st strategy: Attacking Possession Although this is the main approach, you will probably need the other ones just as much. Perhaps not in the home as Chelsea in your 4th season, but as Olympiakos or Benfica in the CL, you need to be more cautious then this. Here, we play a balanced control based approach and let our wide players provide lots of width and we hassle the opponent and at the same time we try to keep possession when getting back the ball. If playing against really deep sitting teams, It can be a good idea to actually shout “ drop deeper” in a way to stretch the opponent even more and if this ultra defensive opponent is using a holding DMC that gets a lot of ball, us the FC to man mark him and close him down always in the OI´s. General Tweaks away form the TC settings: - The MCright have Hold Ball set to NO ( so he never does it regardless of shouts) - The focus play 2nd Strategy Direct Counter Here, we play on the counter, getting the ball forward. We push up the team and play more direct balls into channels for our attackers and wingers to run onto. This is a way to exploit either the gap between the opponents attacking wingers and their deep sitting defenders and/or their attacking fullbacks, playing the ball over the top. If the opponents its with the while team behind the ball, this approach can be fruitless 3rd Strategy: A BALANCED APPROACH Here, we try to sit with more men behind the ball, retaining possession and keeping the ball in the team. Obvious, we will still burst at goal and since we play with 4 attacking minded players (by roles and player types), this will happen often. The fullbacks will not join the attacks but instead move up with the rest of the team and keep the shape. We keep dribbling to a minimum and play a shorter passing game. In short, we play a nice possession based approach in that sense that we keep possession in good positions and restrict the opponent to keeping possession far away from our goal. If being uncertain how to start a match, this is ALWAYS a good option 4th Strategy: Cautious Counter Here, we are playing much more cautious, perhaps an approach that will mainly be used away to really good teams or when wanting to grind out a result ort hold on to a results. To cool things down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 Next up, The narrow Italian approaches Narrow 4312: Top team & Middle team - testing with Inter and Genoa Narrow 4132: Middle team & Underdog - testing with Cagliari & Novara Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 ITALIAN 4312 A TOP TEAM & MIDDLE TEAM TACTIC Notice! The tactic is NOT uploaded. Instead, just follow the instructions as how to set it up. Any tweaks away from the pure TC-settings will be pointed out in the text and/or the screenie. Disclaimer: This is in no way emulation. Here, we will find not 2 or 3 but 4 approaches. When playing with a top notch team, the aim will always be to BE IN CONTROL OF THE GAME, no matter how the opponent chose to play .The key is to see if your players are finding space that they can exploit or of they have to create it them selves, if the players need to sit deeper and counter or if you have to push up and gain control by hassle the opponent. As you also see, this approach is not for top teams only, but also for middle teams. Top teams vs. Middle teams – What approach are I most likely to use? Well, if playing as Milan, you are more likely to face defensive teams and actually be able to stretch them ( as you are quality), hence using the first approach more often than lets say Genoa, that are morel likely to use the more balanced possession approach Suited for: Almost all Italian Teams, teams that do have the quality to finish top 12(!), i.e. not being a real underdog along with having many box2box midfielders, wingbacks/fullbacks and few wingers 1st strategy: Attacking Possession Here, we play a balanced control based approach and let our fullbacks bomb the flanks and provide the width along with our attackers and box2box MCs that moves into channels players provide lots of width and we hassle the opponent and at the same time we try to keep possession when getting back the ball. If playing against really deep sitting teams, It can be a good idea to actually shout “drop deeper” in a way to stretch the opponent even more and if this ultra defensive opponent is using a holding DMC that gets a lot of ball, us the AMC to specifically man mark him and close him down always in the OI´s. 2nd Strategy Direct Counter Here, we play on the counter, getting the ball forward. We push up the team and play more direct balls into channels for our attackers and wingers to run onto. This is a way to exploit either the gap between the opponents attacking wingers and their deep sitting defenders and/or their attacking fullbacks, playing the ball over the top. If the opponent sits with the whole team behind the ball, this approach can be fruitless. Although it’s not dangerous playing this approach incorrectly .We will just not find the space to play the ball into but instead holding it deep. 3rd Strategy: A BALANCED APPROACH If being uncertain how to start a match, this is ALWAYS a good option Here, we try to sit with more men behind the ball, retaining possession and keeping the ball in the team. Obvious, we will still burst at goal and since we play with 5 attacking minded players (by roles and player types), this will happen often. The fullbacks will overlap with the box2box that here, playing one-two with each other and moves up with the rest of the team and keep the shape.. In short, we play a nice possession based approach in that sense that we keep possession in good positions and restrict the opponent to keeping possession far away from our goal. 4th Strategy: Cautious Counter Here, we are playing much more cautious, perhaps an approach that will mainly be used away to really good teams or when wanting to grind out a result or hold on to a results. To cool things down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiofilipevale Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 where k and you use the skin fm2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 where k and you use the skin fm2012 Are you asking what skin I am using ? Its called Scorpio( just Google it and you Will find à link) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tills2k1 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 What is your advice for opposition instructions when usin these tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamil-S Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Impressive work with all those tactics TBH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 What is your advice for opposition instructions when usin these tactics? To answer that, I would have to write a complete guide to OI´s After all, in this thread you find almost all apprpoaches there is, using all players possible, facing all teams, tactics, formatios and players of the world . In short though, no matter what approach I use, I tend to limit the main threat if - and only if - I have a player/s hat are good enough to carry out the orders ( ie. no use of letting my string yet incredibly slow DC tightly man mark and close down always on their pacey star striker) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janeka Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 TBH will you post here your test with Inter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 TBH will you post here your test with Inter? Do you mean this ffom FMBase ? THE ITALIAN 4312 PROJECT If so, then I dont think so as one cant use the sam function here as at FMBase where i upload screens from my comp etc. ( restrictions) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Oh man, you're like some kind of machine for making tactics:lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 Oh man, you're like some kind of machine for making tactics:lol: haha, yeah. Not my tactics though, its the TC´s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 TBH will you post here your test with Inter? I missunderstood you. The " test " with Inter and Genoa went really well. I cant put up any screens from that testsave though as I have started à new save with Inter ( saved it as Inter , overwrote the test one) The new " real" save is coming on really, really good though. I am playing it with the aim to keep à tight defence, using rather defensive MCs . I have played 10 league matches and 3 CL matches so far. Results ? ALL WINS ,ZERO goals conceded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janeka Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 what approach of your 41221 team tactics do you recomend for middle teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linderoth Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hello TBH! Would you please recommend one of your tactics for Sporting Lissabon (first season, i.e. no changes to the squad ) in the Portugese league? I'd be thankful for an answer. Keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 what approach of your 41221 team tactics do you recomend for middle teams? Its in the post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rams_2009- Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 What tactics would you recommend using for teams in League One? I'm using Notts County currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 What tactics would you recommend using for teams in League One? I'm using Notts County currently. In generall, the counter versions and the more balanced approaches are more likely to suit the squads and circumstances of a CCC, L1 and L2 team. As for formation, you have to see for your self and decide what players you think are starting players ( sorry, I have never played with notts c so ..) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmikay Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 which one do you think would be best with galatasaray ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 Hello TBH! Would you please recommend one of your tactics for Sporting Lissabon (first season, i.e. no changes to the squad ) in the Portugese league? I'd be thankful for an answer. Keep up the good work Sorry for not answering you but as I have not been home this weekend, I have not had the chance to load up à Portugal save and look at the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 which one do you think would be best with galatasaray ?same answer as above. I cant really answer without knowing the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmikay Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 same answer as above. I cant really answer without knowing the squad. I was thinking to use a top team one but then if im in europe i wont be a top team will It still work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 I was thinking to use a top team one but then if im in europe i wont be a top team will It still work Well, you could easily use the more balanced approach and the cautious counter approach found in the top AND middle team approaches found in the deep and wide 4222 and 451. Just set them up within the 442 as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Here are some results using the Narrow 4312 with Inter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john03 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 TBH quick question. Do you immediately implement the shouts at the start of every game? Or do you do it when you see something happening mid game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 TBH quick question. Do you immediately implement the shouts at the start of every game? Or do you do it when you see something happening mid game? Yes, I ALWAYS implement prematch along with the teamtalk. Then I adjust midgame between the different approaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safe Hands Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I want to try and use your 442 formations the united and Villa one. One for home and the other for away games. Could you please advise the player postions, poacher etc as I cant make them out on my screen. Also do you have the match shouts on at the start of the match? I'm in my 3rd season with Sheffield Wednesday got into championship via playoffs 1st season, made playoff final 2nd season but really struggling this season, tried to change it around but just cant score any goals and conceding far too many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safe Hands Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 What do you do about youth training, ive downloaded your training file but doesnt seem to be any youth set up or a goalkeeper schedule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeu Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yes, I ALWAYS implement prematch along with the teamtalk. Then I adjust midgame between the different approaches. correct me if im wrong, basically we start the match then we paused then we click the instruction then start again?right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crewe_york Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Regarding the Big team 4-4-2, is their any other midfield combo that is successful rather than having a CM(s) and a DLP(d)? Struggling to find someone to fill the DLP role with enough creativity aswell as having good defensive stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkyo Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Thanks for your sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 correct me if im wrong, basically we start the match then we paused then we click the instruction then start again?right? No, you use the saved groupshout pre-kickoff, when doing the teamtalk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkyo Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 anyone can post MAN UNITED TACTIC , WBA 4231 and BOLTON TACTIC to me ??? thanks !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Regarding the Big team 4-4-2, is their any other midfield combo that is successful rather than having a CM(s) and a DLP(d)? Struggling to find someone to fill the DLP role with enough creativity aswell as having good defensive stats. Well, I guess you can use an advanced playmaker and à defensive MC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 I want to try and use your 442 formations the united and Villa one. One for home and the other for away games. Could you please advise the player postions, poacher etc as I cant make them out on my screen. Also do you have the match shouts on at the start of the match? I'm in my 3rd season with Sheffield Wednesday got into championship via playoffs 1st season, made playoff final 2nd season but really struggling this season, tried to change it around but just cant score any goals and conceding far too many. Could you perhaps right-click it and enlarge/save the picture ? anyone can post MAN UNITED TACTIC , WBA 4231 and BOLTON TACTIC to me ??? thanks !!!! 'Are you also having trouble seeing the images ?. If so, then getting the tactic posted to you wont help as the shouts are too important tp misss out on (and you cant save and send a groupshout:D ) If you are just being lazy, then remember that it will only take you about 30 seconds to set up each approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeu Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 No, you use the saved groupshout pre-kickoff, when doing the teamtalk. i thought cant work if during the prematch, it will work when during the match then you click the shouts. So the point is it will work when pre match start right?:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 i thought cant work if during the prematch, it will work when during the match then you click the shouts. So the point is it will work when pre match start right?:confused: Hm, bit confused by what you meant but this is how it should be. - all shouts should be used/implemented in the dressing room the minutes before kickoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmikay Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 i decided to go with the 4-4-2 top and middle team approaches in the league im looking to use the top team...in europe the middle team heres how my freindlys went Uploaded with ImageShack.us no the best results but i dono if im picking the right tactics for the matches maybe also i was trying out a lot of players and rotating a lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmikay Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 first league game :-) used 4-4-2 top team control Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 first league game :-)used 4-4-2 top team control Uploaded with ImageShack.us That looks better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmikay Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 what do you do when you get a red card ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 what do you do when you get a red card ? It would depend on the result in thr match and the opponents formation, strength and specific competence. Sometimes I just take out à FC and sometimes I can actually revert to à 351 or 342 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmikay Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 my first 10 games is there playmakers on your tactics...im sure i read somewhere you dont use them but its ticked on all versions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBetterHalf Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 my first 10 games is there playmakers on your tactics...im sure i read somewhere you dont use them but its ticked on all versions Well, to make sure you DONT use a playmaker, you have to tick it and set it to NONE. Otherwise, the player with the roles TQ, ADP or DLP will be your playmaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilmikay Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Well, to make sure you DONT use a playmaker, you have to tick it and set it to NONE. Otherwise, the player with the roles TQ, ADP or DLP will be your playmaker. nice one...all this time ive been doing it wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elhan Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I was looking for a counter-attacking tactic for difficult away games when I decided to try the "Into Oblivion" asymmetric, because I love the formation. In one word, it's not just good, it's phenomenal, and it has worked equaly well against quality teams that look to attack me and teams that try to sit back. It really is impressive how good this tactic is at keeping the ball and exploiting space by launching lightning fast counter attacks at the opportune moment. That said, I would really appreciate it if you could elaborate on how the mentality settings where chosen. I don't only mean the fact that they are mostly defensive, but the individual settings themselves and the correlation between the various positions. They don't follow any of the TC frameworks or any of the "popular" settings you find in many tactics posted here, and I believe they are the key to understanding this wonderfull tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramovic Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Can i just take this opportunity to thank TheBetterHalf for all of her hard work. Tactics like these are defiantly the future and will be of immense help to people creating their tactics It clearly shows with a little bit of understanding you can achieve great results with smaller sides Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Which of these tactics do you suggest for FC Schalke 04? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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