mag man Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Oops, sorry my mistake Arshavin AMC. Could have been a very attacking DM Do you ever play him out wide? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Yes I have played him at F/L and F/R. He seems to play well wherever I put him, which is a bonus. Its like Fazio, he can either play DMC or DC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 What do you guys do when you are chasing for the winner. Like just now i had a game against 20th place Reggina, went 1-0 up then gave away a penalty before half time which they score. I was dominating all game, but I just couldn't get through. I felt like I should of gone more aggressive, but not really sure how I would of gone about doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 What do you guys do when you are chasing for the winner. Like just now i had a game against 20th place Reggina, went 1-0 up then gave away a penalty before half time which they score. I was dominating all game, but I just couldn't get through. I felt like I should of gone more aggressive, but not really sure how I would of gone about doing it. Push Up. Play Through Middle. Forward runs to AM and DM's. If that doesnt work then increase tempo to max. Then all out attack team mentality (over-rides invidual mentalities). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdawsoniv Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 My goals are coming from everywhere and no one really leads. Part of that, though, is due to injuries and whatnot my lineup has shifted around each game. Freddy Adu regularly gets free kick goals. The W and the DMCs all get shots in-rarely the other three. Goals I concede tend to come from corners. If my D-line is too far up I might get caught on a break or two. I don't use OIs at all. Only had a few yellows in all my games so far. At least twice as many plus a straight red from my opponents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruStew Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I am getting offers from bigger teams. Gateshead might not be able to keep hold of their youthful American manager for long. I mean, can I really turn down a $3,500 per week extra if Crystal Palace or Bradford come a-calling? Should I? I am thinking it would be fun to try to try to take the tactic on the road and apply it to a new squad... Note: I am at the end of season 2 with just the FA Trophy game to play. Crystal Palace will be relegated to League One after the season. Gateshead will be in League Two next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdawsoniv Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Also wanted to mention that I do use the Ass Man to help me see what's going on. Since I don't yet have an eye for the sport and the ME in particular, it is really useful in interpreting what, if anything, I need to change. If you can read the ME you don't need the Ass Man. If you can't, listen to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruStew Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I have found that my ass man has seemed to get lazy as the season has gone on. Players that in early season games he suggested I force to their weak foot, were not mentioned in the pregame report later in the season. Is this something the game does to keep these guys from seeming redundant and I am supposed to remember that Obscurey McNonleague from Woking is all left-footed? Or is John Morling just becoming jaded at Gateshead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Guss Hiddinck looks like he is going to leave Chelsea at the end of the season and I have been linked with the job and the answer is 'Go Forth and Multiply' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Haha good choice. Had a close shave when Roma switched to a 4-2-4... Put all defence and DMC's on Barrows and lowerd the Dline to about 9 on the slider (having previously had it on about 12/14). They did however manage to break me down in the 89th min to get to 1-1. But super Neddy saved me in the 94th min With the 4-2-4, what do you feel is the most effective way to counter it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuruStew Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Haha good choice.Had a close shave when Roma switched to a 4-2-4... Put all defence and DMC's on Barrows and lowerd the Dline to about 9 on the slider (having previously had it on about 12/14). They did however manage to break me down in the 89th min to get to 1-1. But super Neddy saved me in the 94th min With the 4-2-4, what do you feel is the most effective way to counter it? Mikal, with my Gateshead side, I've taken to dropping my FR and FL back to ML and MR positions when I need to protect a lead against a 424. I happen to have retrained two Forwards from midfield positions so this works perfectly. Your solution might be different. ~Stew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 My FR is a natural at MR and my FL is accomplished at both MR and ML, so that would work a treat for me as well... I will try this in future, thanks! Also just got hammered 4-2 by Man United. Just couldn't handle them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heron Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Haha good choice.Had a close shave when Roma switched to a 4-2-4... Put all defence and DMC's on Barrows and lowerd the Dline to about 9 on the slider (having previously had it on about 12/14). They did however manage to break me down in the 89th min to get to 1-1. But super Neddy saved me in the 94th min With the 4-2-4, what do you feel is the most effective way to counter it? If you're feeling confident, try to push dline to high, set passing through the middle. Then, Set you wingforwards (FR and FL) to tight manmark the opposing fullbacks. Barrow the AMC's to set pressure on the opposing MC players, and you'll restrict your opponent to playing long balls towards your defenders and DMC players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilveZOr Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Just upload this tactic to any website, please. Or give screens with all instructions for players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Just upload this tactic to any website, please.Or give screens with all instructions for players. If you had read the thread properly you will have seen that the team and player settings have been posted for people to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilveZOr Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I read everything but i didint find any screens with players instructions. And its ****ed up setup instructions to any players if you dont see everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toin Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I read everything but i didint find any screens with players instructions.And its ****ed up setup instructions to any players if you dont see everything. Post #268 and #426... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Thanks Toin, I have also found the following posts 97, 98, 105, 140. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilveZOr Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Oh. My fault. Looks like i missed them all. Sorry, and thx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 No probs...if you have got any question's then fire away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Using just this formation/tactic, if I win my next 2 game's Bolton (a) and WBA (h) I will have won the EPL after 33 games. This WM has been awesome. I have never gone through a season using one tactic. I used to use different tactics for different opponents, but this is the only one that has coped with them all. Thanks Mag_Man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I agree, the WM is a brilliant tactic. Just thumped Spartak Moscow 6-0. My striker didn't score though, which was odd... What do you guys reckon are the best attributes for the main striker position? I have Trezeguet and Amauri, but neither can put the ball in the back of the net on a regular basis... They tend to drop quite deep as well, maybe that's something i need to look at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Mikal, what is your ST's mentality and creative freedom set at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Here's a screenie of my ST instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I am going to set up a test game and just concentrate on the ST. I am going to try and use the same player at first (Adebayor). These are the settings I am using at the moment. These are the stats for my ST at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heron Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Tried this tactic out yesterday, and I love it! The play is quite beautiful to watch, and the midfield 'box' functions far better than I anticipated. And even better, due to the mentality settings (probably), my team forms a tight unit when defending, so 3 defenders is enough, giving the team so many options in attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Well here it is....ONLY 33 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdawsoniv Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Team USA Tripped Up by Mexico It was a long day for Team USA at Estadio Azteca. Johnny Spector's controversial foul in the box at the 50' mark gave Mexico a penalty which they duly converted. That proved the difference as USA is dealt their first defeat in World Cup qualificiation at the hands of their bitter rivals 1-0. If one was provided only the final score, they might be mislead to believe USA was in the game. All who watched the game, especially in person, know that USA did not belong on the field with Mexico today, and that is reflected in the statistical details. Manager Rick Dawson's unconventional throwback W-M formation, which had so far led USA to a near perfect record and a lofty #8 world ranking, was shredded by Mexico's 4-5-1. With six players positioned in the attacking half of the field to USA's five, Mexico bombarded USA's goal. Tim Howard is one of few USA players who deserves praise for holding the hosts scoreless in open play. Here's a look at the key stats from the box score (I don't have image hosting services). Mexico-USA Shots 19-5 On Target 8-2 CCC 2-1 Possession 48-52 Corners 10-2 Free Kicks 18-12 Offsides 3-9 Passing % 62-62 Tackling % 93-87 Heading % 55-63 Possession breakdown Mexico's third 8-14 Middle third 17-23 USA's third 24-14 When asked to comment, Dawson replied, "I don't understand. In real life, Mexico is a mess. They never play up to their talent. I made all the slider adjustments that normally fix our problems, but nothing changed. I even went to a 4-2-4 at the death to try and pull out an equalizer to no avail. I mean, why not? It always seems to work for the AI." Members of the press were baffled by Dawson's comments and concerned that the heat had gotten to him. USA currently stands at 4th in the Hexagonal after three games. The top four teams all have 6 points, but USA has the shortest goal difference at only +1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Tried this tactic out yesterday, and I love it! The play is quite beautiful to watch, and the midfield 'box' functions far better than I anticipated.And even better, due to the mentality settings (probably), my team forms a tight unit when defending, so 3 defenders is enough, giving the team so many options in attack. Well there we go another convert....LOL. Heron who are you playing as? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdawsoniv Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I don't want to overreact, but that wasn't just a loss. I had the everloving tar beaten out of me. How am I supposed to reach World Cup glory if this is how I play against the good teams? Heading saved me. If I didn't win every header in my defending third, it would have been 4-0 easy. The main problem, according to the ass man, was "misplaced way too many short passes." He was right, many of our passes seemed aimed at Mexico players. Mexico also closed down fast and won most every challenge. When they had the ball, they had no problem running up into attack and making a go at goal. I resisted closing down harder, because that's a philosophy point for me. I feel that OIs and high closing down compromise the integrity of the formation. To correct the passing, I reduced tempo (and reduced and reduced, eventually ending up about halfway). At first I also instructed the players to play longer, but then the ass man told me I was misplacing too many long passes, so I stuck to tempo reduction. He also commented about Mexico pushing forward. I moved my D-line farther back throughout the game but it didn't matter. What do I do when an individual is said to be "getting burned all too often," or, "missing crucial interceptions?" Is my only option to substitute him? I had to use my subs for an injury and for two really tired midfielders. I hope it's just a bad game exacerbated by injury and we return to form. I'm worried about what's going to happen in South Africa 2010 if this is an indicator of what to expect against quality opponents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Well fdawsoniv, I would be proud of what you have achieved so far, it is harder to manage an international team than a club side as you cant go out and buy the best players and you are not working with them 24/7. As for your game against Mexico, it took a penalty to beat you, so you must be on the right track tactic wise. Keep up the good work, I think it will pay off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Mackemforever posted on here a while ago and said that he put his tempo up to 18, I tried this and was very impressed with it. My players dont get caught in possession to much now, I also get the ball to my forwards quicker. So perhaps you can arrange some friendlies for the USA and test some of these theories. I had a problem with my full backs now and again punting the ball upfield when there were players around to pass to. Then I looked at my passing, yes it was on short so what was the problem, BUT, on the slider it goes from 1 (far left) to 6 and then goes to mixed, so I thought if it is on 6 then it will mean that the passing must have short with some mixed tendencies...I may be wrong...so I put the passing for my defence to around 3 and found that they did not punt it upfield and possibly lose me possession. Also how have you got your marking and closing down set as well. What formation did Mexico play against you?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Cheers for those ST settings, i'll give them a go ... Also do you have him set as a target man, and if you do what is your targt man settings, i.e. to feet, run on to ball etc. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I do not use a target man, but mag_man did and I think he set it up to run onto ball. I know his post is on here somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Yeah that's what i'm currently using (the target man), just curious if you was doing it any other way. For the next few games i'll try taking target man off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdawsoniv Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 That's a good way to look at it. Even though we played fairly poorly in my estimation and were statistically dominated, the bottom line is Mexico needed the penalty to win. Was it good last-chance defending or poor finishing by Mexico? Does it matter? If we play our worst game and only lose by a penalty on the road against a Top 20 in the world opponent, can I really complain? Maybe there weren't any adjustments I could have made to lead to a win on this particular day. Maybe the adjustments I made saved me from losing 3-0. No way to know. Responding to your direct questions . . . I tried tempo 18 once and thought the team got sloppy on me, so I went back. Can't hurt to try again. Didn't think of using friendlies. Can I just up and play a friendly in the gaps between qualifying games? Will I get anyone but minnows to play against? If it's not at least competitive, how can I truly test changes? How can I be sure my players will be available? Did you move up to 3 or down to 3? My FBs are on 4 now. Is it possible they're looking for short passes only and will punt if no one's close, even if someone is wide open for a medium pass? I don't recall this being a specific problem but I do know my FBs aren't usually part of a building attack for me, so maybe it is. Marking is zonal tight across the board. Closing down is 14 for the defense, 15 for the AMCs and wings, and 11 for the center ST. Mexico played a strange formation that I'm not sure how to identify. It looked something like this: ------ST----------- -AML-----AMC-AMR- ------MC--MC------ --------------------Center Line -------------------- --DL--DC--DC--DR-- --------GK--------- I would think there should have been space for my attack to work with behind their midfield, but in practice they had so much possession in attack (seeing as I was outnumbered in that area) that I spent most of the game clearing danger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 It looks like 4-2-3-1, and normally I would play with tight marking and hard tackling on ST, and the 3 AMC and push up to around 15-16. When changing something like passing etc you have to give the players a few matches to get used to playing differently, usually around 5-10. As for your FB's if there is no team-mate close enough they will sometimes just punt it upfield. In a counter attacking side and this is a naturally counter attacking tactic, nearly all attacks start from defence. My goalkeeper is set to distribute to full back. I also have my DM/R as my playmaker, because this is Fabregas' natural position as a deep lying playmaker and this suits him very well. Check your mentality settings between your defence and DM's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heron Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Well there we go another convert....LOL. Heron who are you playing as? Playing with Villa, second season. Acquired some new attacking talent, so my first choice team is: GK Asenjo DR de Silvestri DC Curtis Davies DL Molinari DMC Veloso DMC Beckham AMC Guilherme AMC Marquinhos FR Alexis Sanchez FC Rossi FL A. Young Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Hi Heron, I also have Asenjo, brill keeper and apparently gets better after a couple of seasons. I have Veloso and I play him with fabregas at DM. I play Rossi as an AMC as I have Adebayor as FC. If you want a brilliant DM that plays as a DC as well go for Fredrico Fazio from Sevilla. I have Fabregas as my DM/R and playmaker, I also have my goalkeeper to distribute to my FB/R and then my attacking play starts with Fabregas. Keep an eye on your throw in takers as these are set to your FB's and when you get a throw in by your oppomemts goal-line your FB's will take them and so will be out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heron Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Fazio is a bit expensive, but we'll see how my budget is set if I make the UCL. I haven't figured out the best set pieces instructions yet for this formation, especially the defensive ones. One thing I did do is set my goalie to distribute the ball to the defenders, so the DMC playmaker can start the play, instead of my quick (and small) strikers have to challenge for the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 If you have just got Sanchez heron, then you will not regret it! Been brilliant for me so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Guys,can someone please upload the tactic ? It seems i can't find any link for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Ernest, there is no download link for the tactic... People have just been uploading screenshots of how their team is set out to give others a base to work with really... Scrolled up the page and if you look at the post numbers from these quotes it should help you get started. Post #268 and #426... Thanks Toin, I have also found the following posts 97, 98, 105, 140. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 I do not use a target man, but mag_man did and I think he set it up to run onto ball. I know his post is on here somewhere. I do use a target man I was using run onto ball a lot but have switched into to feet. I find this brings my striker into play more and he releases the AMC/wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag man Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 fdawsoniv The problem with internationals only is that you are not getting very many games to tweak your tactic, what I sometimes do is just have a save for tactical creation and then transfer the tactic into my proper career game. If I make a change it can take me about 5 games sometimes more before I decide I am happy or not with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdawsoniv Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 GK is set to dist to DMC I think. I don't have playmaker at this time because no one stands out as deserving to have it. When I have used PM in other brief experiements with other teams with standout DMCs it seemed to be effective. I just need a better player to use it with. Pushing up to 15-16 seems counterproductive to me. My d line was getting stretched thin and the ass man always had at least one comment about needing to pull back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I dont know about the others but when I am defending not only have I got my FB's and DC, but my DM's are back along with my AM's and my ST and Fwd/L/R come back to around the halfway line so I have plenty of players back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 These are the settings I used for my Arsenal Premier League Winning Team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest166 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 RossoneriGunner - Could you upload your tactic ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossoneriGunner Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Just set up your players as the diagram in mag_man's first post and then set up your players as per the team and player settings that have been posted in this thread and then tweak things to suit your players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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