[FM22] Overhauling SAD Franchise, (completed) and now Portugal. (Portugese edition). (Youth Only)............... Maybe!

[Jimbokav1971]

Jan 2028. 

Premeira Liga. We picked up 19 points in a single month and it can't really have gone any better. We won all 3 home games and even nicked a point away at Arouca. 

Taça de Portugal. Who cared right? Well I do, sort of. 

We knocked Porto out in the 5th Round and someone else has already knocked Sporting out. I thought Benfica were going out too but they levelled late on and then won on pens. 

Goal-scoring GK's. We received a bid of £1.4M from Villarreal, but I'm not selling. It does mean that I have to sell someone else before they come in with a bid that the new El Presidente accepts though. 

Finances. We've had quite a few bids for players but if anyone was going to go I wanted it to be for a lot of money. Every season they spend with us in the Premieira Liga will increase their value so selling our best players for modest sums now seems silly. If we have to sell then so be it, but if we don't have to then we won't. 

  

[Jimbokav1971]

I think he might be a little better than decent. Feb 2028. 

(24d) Máximo (POR) * has been attracting the attention of Juve, Inter and now PSG are in for him. I can't stand PSG so if they get him they will be paying through the nose for him.

[Edit]

Well that was the plan anyway.  Damn you El Presidente. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Jimbokav1971

[Sonic Youth]

Bad board decision making there, which isn’t realistic especially after the sale before that was triple PSG’s bid 

I bet it was straight up accepted with no negotiation 

[Sonic Youth]

I like how your doing in the league, with what feels a lot of potential for improvement  

[Jimbokav1971]

6 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

Bad board decision making there, which isn’t realistic especially after the sale before that was triple PSG’s bid 

I bet it was straight up accepted with no negotiation 

It was really bad decision-making. Awful. 

The only way it makes even a little bit of sense is when you look at the bank balance, (we were about £800,000 overdrawn), and consider that a new President, (we have just had elections and a new El Presidente was elected), has decided that he just isn't going to find the running of the club out of his own pocket and we plans on running a tight financial ship. 

Even then it's a poor deal, but I think that was my fault in trying to be a bit clever, (and failing), We might only have £1.8M up front, (which is actually a significant fee at this stage), but there is a friendly  and significantly 50% of re-sale value. I had 25% in the deal earlier and upped it to 50% and made that part of it non-negotiable, so while we might have a poor deal right now, it might just prove to be a very astute piece bit of business in future season. The problem is that in hindsight, I wish I had left it at 25% and we had got £5M for him. 

The problem is that because so many players are 5.0 PA, I don't actually know how good they are. When you only have 1x 5.0 PA player and you have lots of good CA, then you can get at least a reaosnable idea that a player might be a bit special. At this stage of the save 5.0 PA could be anything. 

[Jimbokav1971]

6 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

I like how your doing in the league, with what feels a lot of potential for improvement  

Yeah, I'm really pleased. 

I'm astonished that we have beaten Porto twice already but there is a long long long way to go. 

Benfica are looking ridiculously strong at the moment. 25 wins and 2 draws from 27 games this season. I think they have had a poor save up to now but it certainly seems to be clicking. 

[Jimbokav1971]

Feb 2028. 

Primeira Liga. Our form has been decent and we're unlucky not to have won any of these matches. We were hugely dominant against PTM, had 2 goals ruled out against P.Ferreira and Braga was probably a fair result. 

Goal-scoring GK's. 

Shortlist. I can see that (22f) Shynkarenko (POR) (UKR) is is available for transfer at £325k, but with us spending £250k on (23f) Magalhães (POR) 6'1", (or at least trying to), I'm reluctant to spend too much of our positive bank balance on a player who is only 2.5 CA and wouldn't be an automatic starter. We got £1M for him when we sold him and we have a 25% clause on him, so if we bought him for £325k we would effectively only pay  £243,750. I would rather someone else bought him though. I don't really want to spend the money on him. 

 

Transfers. Losing 2 players a season to bigger clubs, (1 in each window), is something I'm prepared for moving forward. When we don't have money in the bank I can't really complain that low bids are accepted. It's up to me to generate cash that will keep our bank balance in credit and stop El Presidente becoming involved in transfers. The problem this season was the loss of (23f) Magalhães (POR) 6'1", (on a free because of my stupidity), and it's only through luck that we managed to get him back on on loan and that we have a £250k future option fee, (which I am trying to activate now for the Summer). I just have to take the sale of (24d) Máximo (POR) * on the chin, hope that his 50% brings us a future windfall and try and flog a couple of players in the Summer. 

Finances.   

[Jimbokav1971]

Youth Intake day. Mar 2028. 

They tell me it could be a Golden Generation, but I'm less than impressed, (at this stage). 

It's a decent spread of players, if a little top and right heavy. 

I always say that 1x 5.0 PA player makes it a decent intake, but when the CA of the players you are playing with is so poor, it's perhaps not such a good intake. 

We got some decent personalities through again, but none from (GNB) this time. 

(28a) Varandas (POR) * appears quite well-rounded for a 15 year old. I really like the look of him. 

(28b) Henriques (POR) might be a lefty, but he's inverted and plays on the right/ passing is great for a 15 year old and decent physically too. 

(28c) Huja (POR) looks decent. If you can imagine the 3 physical 9's at 10 instead, I think he looks a much better player. 

(28d) Van Zyl (POR) (RSA) is a 3rd left-footed winger in the intake, and again looks decent. 

(28e) Silva (POR) might only have 3.5 PA, (but it's day 1 right!) He looks very very very decent indeed. I like him. 

Squad by PA. We have 20 players at the club with 5.0 PA. Most of them are still very much PA based, so that looks good for the future. 

Squad by CA. We have 1x 4.5 CA player at the club, (and he's only in on loan), but we also have 4x 4.0 CA players, (1 of whom is in on loan but who has agreed a deal to re-join us). 

Something to consider is...

Do players who are in on loan count as the best players at the club in order to grade the intake against? 

The best players at the club, (by CA) are MC, SC, GK, SC, DC, so my thinking is that if all the intake players were created equal, then they would be rated lower by PA star rating because the level against which they are being judged is high. 

Where do the best MC, SC, GK & DC come on the list? 3rd, 5th, 7th and 6th. 

[Jimbokav1971]

On 04/11/2021 at 11:40, abulezz said:

Battistini's looks a like gold so far. 

I forgot to mention this at the time, but when we got smashed out of the Cup by Gil Vicente, Battistini (SUI) (POR) * terrorised us and scored 2 goals and created 1 assist. 

No more abusing opposition players in this thread please! The FM Gods see everything!  

[Jimbokav1971]

NxGn 2028. 

 The fact that the 17 year old moved to Italy rather than 1 of the Big 3 in Portugal doesn't say much for their scouting. 

 The 17 year old from (COL) came through the Porto Academy and looks excellent, but was actually a product of their affiliate Dragon Force in Colombia. 

To those interested in if a poached player would show us on a players history, the answer is yes it does. 

 He came through the Academy at Braga and looks very decent. 

 Here is a youngster signed by 1 of the Portugese clubs outside the Big 3. 

 Was ranked #41 last season and has dropped down to #49. 

[Ceching You Out]

6 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

The problem is that because so many players are 5.0 PA, I don't actually know how good they are. When you only have 1x 5.0 PA player and you have lots of good CA, then you can get at least a reaosnable idea that a player might be a bit special. At this stage of the save 5.0 PA could be anything. 

Completely agree with this! One of the underrated parts of getting a new gem (through your intake or transfer) is that it usually redefines the bar for 5 star potential. That helps sorts a cohort of boundless potential into a more actionable spectrum of talent.

I wish there was a way to differentiate between similar potential ratings. I’d love the player reports to be more consistent and clearer on projecting division and star/leading/good/decent, including “better than this division” for top flights.

[dsousa96]

The real challenge here, is to beat benfica and porto tho.

[Jimbokav1971]

12 minutes ago, dsousa96 said:

The real challenge here, is to beat benfica and porto tho.

We played Porto 3 times this season. 

We won 2-1 in the League. 
We won 2-1 in the Cup. 
We won 2-0 in the League. 

[Edit]

But you are completely correct. Finishing above any of the Big 3 will be an enormous achievement. 

Finishing above all 3 of them........  

Edited November 7, 2021 by Jimbokav1971

[Jimbokav1971]

Mar 2028.

Premeira Liga. 2-1 against Sporting flattered us, but the win against Porto, (our 3rd of the Season), was completely deserved. 

Goal-scoring GK's. Still only 2 goals this season, but that's to be expected considering the step-up in class. As we improve I expect us to start creating more chances again. 

Finances.   

[Jimbokav1971]

1 hour ago, Ceching You Out said:

Completely agree with this! One of the underrated parts of getting a new gem (through your intake or transfer) is that it usually redefines the bar for 5 star potential. That helps sorts a cohort of boundless potential into a more actionable spectrum of talent.

I wish there was a way to differentiate between similar potential ratings. I’d love the player reports to be more consistent and clearer on projecting division and star/leading/good/decent, including “better than this division” for top flights.

Yeah. I would like to see something like, "he has the potential to go to the very top, playing for the biggest clubs in the World". 

[Edit]

This is the best player at the club, (by CA). 

Currently operating at Premier League Level is how good he is now. 

Could improve a lot in the future is what his potential is. (Where is the contextual part of that?)

Edited November 7, 2021 by Jimbokav1971

[Jimbokav1971]

Apr 2028. 

Premeira Liga. We were in great form and absolutely smashed Estoril, (who were on an unbeaten run of 15 games before that), but Gil Vicente seem to be our bogey team and, (after we had a player sent off after 23 mins), they gave us a right doing, (again).  Yes of course Wonderkid Battistini (SUI) (POR) * scored again. 

Goal-scoring GK's. I know (23e) Valente (POR) 6'4" has only scored 2 goals this season, but you can see he has only taken 15 shots, 6 of them on target, (2 of them penalties he scored), so he's 0/13 from free-kicks this season and 0/6 free-kicks on target this season. 

Just by way of comparison, last season he scored 13 goals from 29 shots, 19 of them on target. He was 7/7 from the spot meaning that he scored 6 free-kicks from 22 shots, 13 of them on target, so when his shot was on target from a free-kick he scored 6 from 13 at 46%. That he has scored 0 from 6 this season at 0% suggests that the standard of opposition GK has improved significantly. Going back and looking at the free-kicks though, while at least 2 have hit the wood-work, many of the shots saves have been from further out than his goals scored, and the conclusion I have come to is that it's not so much that opposition GK's have improved, but that we're not getting them in as good a position as we have done previously. 

Finances.   

[Jimbokav1971]

SAD  Derby day #2. May 2028. 

We were punished in game #1 when the pressure of the game was too much for us and we received an early red with SAD  running out 3-1 winners. 

We've levelled the series. 

 

[dsousa96]

3 horas atrás, Jimbokav1971 disse:

We played Porto 3 times this season. 

We won 2-1 in the League. 
We won 2-1 in the Cup. 
We won 2-0 in the League. 

[Edit]

But you are completely correct. Finishing above any of the Big 3 will be an enormous achievement. 

Finishing above all 3 of them........  

I find more difficult to finish above Porto and Benfica, than Sporting , tbh.

[Jimbokav1971]

This save has got me hooked on Portugese football. 

It's 22:00 on Sunday night and I'm sat here watching Benfica pump Braga on TV. 

[Jimbokav1971]

14 minutes ago, dsousa96 said:

I find more difficult to finish above Porto and Benfica, than Sporting , tbh.

Finishing above any of them will be hard enough. 

Benfica won 93 points out of a possible 102 and a goal difference of +94 
Sporting have only lost 4 games all season. 
Porto are 3rd, 28 points behind Benfica, but still 21 points ahead of us. 

We are a long way off any of them. 

On the plus side, Benfica didn't go unbeaten this season, unlike Porto in 2024/25.

[Jimbokav1971]

May 2028. 

Premeira Liga. I can't begin to tell you how much this win means to me. I know this is a stupid game but I have developed a serious flippin hatred of SAD Franchise . I mean SERIOUS hatred! 

Goal-scoring GK's. We will have to be satisfied with 2 GK goals for the season. 

Finances.   

[Jimbokav1971]

Facilities. May 2028. 

This is the 2nd downgrade we've had in the save and the Training Facilities are down to "Good". I would love to upgrade them again but I just don't want to spend the money right now. We only have  and we just can't afford the upgrade. 

Where is the money going to come from? 

We're going to have to keep selling players to fund the continued development of the club, but there is a balancing act between bringing in cash and moving the club forward on the pitch. 

The obvious answer is to sell (23d) Hugo (POR) as our most valuable player, (valued at £2.5M - £4.1M). The problem with that though is that he scored 17 goals this season, (12 of them in the league), and we don't have much depth in this area. 

When I say there is a lack of depth in the striker area, I mean of course in terms of CA rather than PA. 

We have a fair bit of PA all over the squad, but in terms of CA we just have 4 players who I consider capable of starting up front without us being weakened too much. 

So I think what I need to do is find the position where we have an abundance of players with decent CA/Pa and then sell the 1, (or possibly 2), who can generate the most profit. 

GK. (23e) Valente (POR) 6'4" is worth £550,000 - £2.6M, but we can't sell him because (1) He's one of my favourite players, and (2) There is too big a gap between his CA and the CA of the next best GK. 

DL. We look to have some depth here, but (23f) Magalhães (POR) 6'1" and (25j) Grilo (POR) 6'4" * both play at centre-half and (22b) Amorim (POR) * also covers left wing. 

Diogo Aqueu (POR) (FRA) * is contracted to Jun 2030 and is valued at £550,000 - £800,000.
(22b) Amorim (POR) * is contracted to Jun 2029 and is valued at £55,000 - £650,000.
(26d) Kabamba (SUI) (POR) * is contracted to Jun 2030 (with a +1) and is valued at £40,000 - £375,000.

I'm going to offer (22b) Amorim (POR) * a new contract and I don't want to sell  Diogo Aqueu (POR) (FRA) * until this time next season, (if at all). 

DR. This is the weakest area of the squad. When (22a) Edgar Nunes (POR) * isn't available we have to play Elói Germano (POR) HG and our performances suffer so there is no way I can sell (22a) Edgar Nunes (POR) *. (23g) Pereira (POR) 6'1" * is a centre-half who's not suited at all to full back. 

DC. Centre-half is an area of relative strength in the squad, even though Slyusar (POR) (UKR) HG * and (27g) Hugo Dias (POR) * are midfielders rather than defenders. I might be able to sell either (25j) Grilo (POR) 6'4" * or (25c) Guedes (POR) 6'3" * for £1M+, but even though we need the money, selling them for such a small amount seems a waste of time. 

(23f) Magalhães (POR) 6'1" is joining us permanently in the Summer for £250,000
(25j) Grilo (POR) 6'4" * is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £250,000 - £1.2M
(25c) Guedes (POR) 6'3" * is contracted until Jun 2031 and is valued at £240,000 - £750,000
(24a) Júnior (POR) 6'0" * is contracted until Jun 2029 and is valued at £20,000 - £200,000 I will look to extend his contract. 
(23g) Pereira (POR) 6'1" * is contracted until Jun 2031 and is valued at £9,000 - £550,000 

ML & MR. I've lumped the 2 positions together because it's easier with some players being inverted and others not. This is where I think we might be able to make some money. Unfortunately the players just don't seem to be worth enough because they are so young. 

ML. 

(28a) Varandas (POR) * is contracted until Jun 2032 and is valued at £95,000 - £950,000
(23b) Vasconcelos (POR) is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £18,000 - £325,000
(26a) Ndiaye (CMR) * is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £28,000 - £60,000

MR. 

Becksquita (POR) HG * is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £90,000 - £475,000 I'm really surprised he's not valued at more than that. 
(24e) Teixeira (POR) is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £14,000 - £14-0,000
(23l) Badiashile (ANG) (COD) is contracted until Jun 2031 and is valued at £3,000 - £50,000

MC. 

(25a) Soares (POR) * is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £600,000 - £4M
(25d) Marty (POR) (FRA) is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £160,000 - £1.3M
Renato Faria (POR) HG * is contracted until Jun 2029 and is valued at £45,000 - £300,000
Slyusar (POR) (UKR) HG * is contracted until Jun 2030 and is valued at £60,000 - £750,000
(27g) Hugo Dias (POR) * is contracted until Jun 2031 and is valued at £35,000 - £350,000
(27a) Mateus (POR)* is contracted until Jun 2031 and is valued at £130,000 - £1.3M

After our 1st season in the Premeira Liga I expected our money worries to be over. I would just sell a few players and that would be that. It doesn't appear that it will be quite that easy. Instead I'm just going to have to settle for whoever anyone wants to buy, for however much they want to buy them for. 

[Jimbokav1971]

Finances. Jul 2028. 

With seemingly nobody suitable to sell for any cash, we have had to make do with the Primeira Liga TV money and cash in on the 50% clause for (24d) Máximo (POR) *. I know I'm going to regret it when he eventually goes for big money, but we need the money now so needs must. 

£3M for our 50% share is pretty decent when we only got £1.8M for him in the 1st place. 

[Jimbokav1971]

4 squads is hard work. Jul 2028. 

It's pre-season and I'm trying to work out who should be in what squad and who should go out on loan etc. 

U19's are easy. I start off by leaving everyone 18 and under in this squad and moving everyone who is 19 and over into the Senior squad. The top 5 players, (listed by CA), are 2.0 CA and also have 5.0 PA. so if we have gaps to fill in the Senior squad then they will be promoted 1st. 45 players is too many of an U19 squad, but let's just leave it as is for the moment. 

Everyone else is now in the Senior Squad, so I need to populate the U23's and B Team squads.

There are 55 players in the Senior Squad, but some of them are pretty rubbish. I am moving everyone with less than 2.0 CA into the B Team, (30 players), but for some reason I can't. 

I can't work out why at the moment. I thought it was because I had just moved some of them from the B Team squad on the same day, but I have progressed to the following day and it still won't work. 

I was however able to move them to the U23 Squad. 

That leaves 25 players in the Senior squad, but I'm going to add the top 5 players from the U19's to the Senior squad to bring them to 30 players. 

Senior Squad. 

That means that the Senior Squad (30 players), U23 Squad (27 players) and U19 Squad (38 players) are all populated, but there are no players at all in the B Team. My plan is to go through the Senior Squad now and (barring injury), put the (8 players ideally), who are 3rd choice in their position into the B Team Squad, (when I am able). 

[Jimbokav1971]

Job Offer. Jul 2028. 

There was a fleeting moment when I thought I might like to manage a 27 year old Erling Haaland who has scored 119 Premier League goals in 5 seasons, but the focus is still very much on the domestic challenge for the time being. 

[Sonic Youth]

Is it Norway Portuguese enough for you? 

[Jimbokav1971]

(25a) Soares (POR) *. Jul 2028. 

There was some discussion earlier in the thread about the development of (25a) Soares (POR) * and particularly how his poor physical attributed might hinder his performances. 

The plan at the time was to play him in the U19's for the 1st season, the B Team for the 2nd season, and them see if he could break into the senior squad in his 3rd full season. 

His development didn't work out quite like that because we needed to play him far ahead of schedule. Despite that, physically at least he has developed ok. While the plan was also to play him wide, (and a (RMD(a) role was mentioned), he has been needed to play in a central DLP(s) role because we have sold players ahead of him in the pecking order. He's far from the finished product, but his mental attributes are very impressive for a teenager. 

[Jimbokav1971]

1 hour ago, Sonic Youth said:

Is it Norway Portuguese enough for you? 

No way at all. 

[Sonic Youth]

2 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

(25a) Soares (POR) *. Jul 2028. 

There was some discussion earlier in the thread about the development of (25a) Soares (POR) * and particularly how his poor physical attributed might hinder his performances. 

The plan at the time was to play him in the U19's for the 1st season, the B Team for the 2nd season, and them see if he could break into the senior squad in his 3rd full season. 

His development didn't work out quite like that because we needed to play him far ahead of schedule. Despite that, physically at least he has developed ok. While the plan was also to play him wide, (and a (RMD(a) role was mentioned), he has been needed to play in a central DLP(s) role because we have sold players ahead of him in the pecking order. He's far from the finished product, but his mental attributes are very impressive for a teenager. 

Love that flair/vision combo along with a bunch of other mental skills. His balance too.

How much do you think his passing, dribbling and finishing will go up (plus first touch and technique)? I feel that is his biggest block at getting to top 3 levels.

[Jimbokav1971]

Jul & Aug 2028. 

Primeira Liga. We started off a little poorly, but got stronger as we found our fitness. The problem with having so many players at the club is that even when you create friendlies for all the different squads, it's still just about impossible to get everyone match fit. 

Taça da Liga. These games are little more than fitness training. I honestly have no idea if the winner gets a European spot. 

Goal-scoring GK's. No goals, but worth mentioning that (23e) Valente (POR) 6'4" has hit the target with all 4 of his shots so far this season. 

SAD  Franchise Derby. These are the biggest games of the season for me. I want to hammer them into the ground at every opportunity. The only thing better than beating them in the league is beating them in the Cup, and the only thing better than beating them in a Cup is beating then in a European Cup and the only think better than beating them in a European Cup is beating them in a European Cup Final. Scoring a goal with a GK against them is just about my ultimate dream. Every red card against them will be lauded rather than punished and an injury to a SAD Franchise player will be celebrated like a goal. (Is that too much?) 

Records. 1 goal and 3 assists from his 1st 3 career games is a pretty damn fine start for a 16 year old product of our Academy. 

Finances.   

[Jimbokav1971]

12 minutes ago, Sonic Youth said:

Love that flair/vision combo along with a bunch of other mental skills. His balance too.

How much do you think his passing, dribbling and finishing will go up (plus first touch and technique)? I feel that is his biggest block at getting to top 3 levels.

Yeah, I really like some of his attributes. 

As for how much certain attributes can go up to, it obviously depends on his PA, but also the training I'm giving him. I'm training him as a RPM(s) because I need his playmaking attributes improved but also his physical attributes, so while that will work on First Touch, Technique, Passing and Dribbling, (as well as 5 of 8 physical attributes), it won't work on finishing, (and nor do I want it to as I'm playing him as 1st choice DLP). 

It will be a while before our best players start to plateau, but when they do we will have a clearer idea of what sort of levels might be possible. 

[dsousa96]

19 horas atrás, Jimbokav1971 disse:

Finishing above any of them will be hard enough. 

Benfica won 93 points out of a possible 102 and a goal difference of +94 
Sporting have only lost 4 games all season. 
Porto are 3rd, 28 points behind Benfica, but still 21 points ahead of us. 

We are a long way off any of them. 

On the plus side, Benfica didn't go unbeaten this season, unlike Porto in 2024/25.

I had one career on fm19 with my hometown club (Vitória de Setúbal), and in the 5th season I finished behind Porto and Benfica who both had 90+ points meanwhile I had 87. I raged so bad. 

[Jimbokav1971]

2 hours ago, dsousa96 said:

I had one career on fm19 with my hometown club (Vitória de Setúbal), and in the 5th season I finished behind Porto and Benfica who both had 90+ points meanwhile I had 87. I raged so bad. 

I can't think of another league where the top 3 are so far ahead of everyone else on a consistent basis. I know that Braga finished ahead of Sporting, (I think), on goal difference, (or something), a couple of years ago, but as a rule the chasm between the top 3 and even Braga, (who are a very good club), is enormous!

[dsousa96]

47 minutos atrás, Jimbokav1971 disse:

I can't think of another league where the top 3 are so far ahead of everyone else on a consistent basis. I know that Braga finished ahead of Sporting, (I think), on goal difference, (or something), a couple of years ago, but as a rule the chasm between the top 3 and even Braga, (who are a very good club), is enormous!

The big problem here, is that the big 3 aren't sharing the money coming from the tv's, Benfica and Porto have like almost 50% of that money, and Sporting, who completes the big 3 force, have like 25% and the 25% remaining are given all other clubs as you can see here, and this is from 2016, I couldn't find any other more updated.. If my maths aren't wrong. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by dsousa96

[Jimbokav1971]

Sep & Oct 2028. 

Primeira Liga. After our debut season in the top flight went so well, I think my expectations have been raised and I expect to win more games than is unrealistic. We only won 2 games in a 2 month period, but actually that's a decent return. We're only 2 points off 7th, but there is already a gap of 5 points between 6th and 7th. 

Taça de Portugal. This was tighter than I expected, but we got the job done. 

Goal-scoring GK's. Still no GK goals, but 2 assists over this period that both originated from free-kicks hitting the post and then the re-bound being converted by an attacker following up. 

Min Fee Release clauses. I'm obviously trying to extend our contracts to long-term deals (with +3 options), but there are 2 high profile players who are demanding, (red lock), Minimum Fee Release clauses in their new contracts at relatively low levels. I either sign them with a low release clause, or I am forced to sell them 1 year before their contract expires. (25a) Soares (POR) * for example is already capped at (POR) U21 level at 19 years old. I know we're going to lose him and I have to accept that and at the same time know that the only way to replace him is either with a younger player or from the shortlist. Looking at the shortlist, (22f) Shynkarenko (POR) (UKR) plays in the same position and could be a decent replacement and is available for only £100,000.

Shortlist. You will see that (22f) Shynkarenko (POR) (UKR) is available for just £100,000 and also that (22d) Couceiro (POR) DLP is listed for loan. 

Finances.   

[Jimbokav1971]

1 hour ago, dsousa96 said:

The big problem here, is that the big 3 aren't sharing the money coming from the tv's, Benfica and Porto have like almost 50% of that money, and Sporting, who completes the big 3 force, have like 25% and the 25% remaining are given all other clubs as you can see here, and this is from 2016, I couldn't find any other more updated.. If my maths aren't wrong. 

It's very hard to compete with that and I'm sure I will find it tougher as the save develops and I have older players playing at the club who demand higher wages. 

[Jimbokav1971]

Nov 2028. 

Primeira Liga. We were well beaten by P.Ferreira, but were unlucky not to get at least a draw against Braga. I often wonder if I should change my tactics because using the IR button it surely can't be sensible to play the same tactic home and away because we have so little ability to change it. But I've also found that playing 1 tactic gives us more rhythm and while we're not in danger of getting relegated I should just leave it alone. 

Taça de Portugal. It was much more comfortable than 1-0 suggests. 

Goal-scoring GK's. We've hit the post a few times, but this is the 1st GK goal of the season. 

Finances.   

[Jimbokav1971]

Hidden Info. Dec 2028. 

I don't always use the editor in my saves, and I don't always use it to the same extent, but the plan has always been to use it in this save. Despite that, I was thinking about it over the weekend and had almost changed my mind and decided to continue as is, but I think a save like this is challenging enough with the restrictions that I have placed on myself that I am happy to use the editor to look at CA/PA in this save. 

The most common way I use the editor is to look at the Facility levels and I also think it's really interesting/helpful to use it to better understand how player development and personalities work. This is a little different though in that I plan on looking at the CA/PA of every Youth Intake, and indeed the players we already have at the club. I know this isn't for everyone, (and apologies if that's you), but I did mention this right at the outset so I hope anyone who's read this far isn't going to be too turned off. While I think it will really help me in this save, I probably won't use it in the same way in my next save, (although still likely to use it to look at Facility levels and help track personality changes). I've never understood why SI will let us have a "word" describing the level of facility, but not a number, and make the words approx 50% less accurate/detailed than the numbers. 

It was only when I went to view the players at the cl

Players who I inherited and players who came through the intake before the save started. 

2022 intake. 

2023 intake. 

2024 intake. 

2025 intake. 

2026 intake. 

2027 intake. 

2028 intake. 

[Punch]

26 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I've never understood why SI will let us have a "word" describing the level of facility, but not a number, and make the words approx 50% less accurate/detailed than the numbers.

I have found the numbers shown in the editor don't always line up with the words on the facilities page either.

How are all the numbers the same in my save, yet the wording gives 3 different descriptions...

Edited November 9, 2021 by Punch

[Jimbokav1971]

10 hours ago, Punch said:

I have found the numbers shown in the editor don't always line up with the words on the facilities page either.

How are all the numbers the same in my save, yet the wording gives 3 different descriptions...

I've always found that annoying too, but it's simply because the different Facility types don't have the same structure, (which I'm sure you know). 

This is what ours currently is, (complete with planning application for new stadium that is only approx 60% as big as our current stadium). 

And here is how it translates into numbers, (so that I can return it to what it was when I'm finished). 

Now while I usually just go with the info from the previous game, or trust what I believe others have said, the benefit of using the Editor is that I can tell you for 100% that the exact structures for the Facilities work like this. 

I hope it's helpful to some of you. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Jimbokav1971

[Punch]

Brilliant write up @Jimbokav1971

3 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

complete with planning application for new stadium that is only approx 60% as big as our current stadium

Seems kinda...strange

[Jimbokav1971]

Just now, Punch said:

Brilliant write up @Jimbokav1971

Seems kinda...strange

Thanks. 

It's actually a big deal. If they only build a new stadium with a capacity of 11,633, then I think it will significantly impact our finances. 

The average attendances are obviously skewed by the "Big 3" games and the SAD  Derby and we haven't played any of the 4 yet this season. All 4 will be just about a sell-out in what is almost a 20k capacity stadium.  

[Watson156]

12 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I've always found that annoying too, but it's simply because the different Facility types don't have the same structure, (which I'm sure you know). 

This is what ours currently is, (complete with planning application for new stadium that is only approx 60% as big as our current stadium). 

And here is how it translates into numbers, (so that I can return it to what it was when I'm finished). 

Now while I usually just go with the info from the previous game, or trust what I believe others have said, the benefit of using the Editor is that I can tell you for 100% that the exact structures for the Facilities work like this. 

I hope it's helpful to some of you. 

I've been meaning to comment in here before, but I've completely forgot! You've done a wonderful job so far and the info that you produce is fantastic and really helpful.

I'm currently doing a youth only save in Russia and the above graphic with all the facilities info is really insightful. I do have a couple of questions.

1) When it comes to upgrading Training & Youth Facilities, do you know if the more you improve them then the more it costs every month? Is it only the Youth Facilities that costs money (youth setup) or is Junior Coaching & Youth Recruitment also included in the Youth Setup monthly fee. Does improving the Training Facilites add any money to the youth setup?

2) Is there any way to know which rating relates to each meaning? For example I have exceptional Junior Coaching & Youth Recruitment. Obviously exceptional Junior Coaching is 20. Is there any way to know which exceptional my Youth Recruitment is without the editor? Do you know what the difference is (if any) between Youth Recruitment at 19 compared to 20?

Hope you can answer some of these questions. You seem to be the go to man to ask!! Thanks

[Punch]

10 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

It's actually a big deal. If they only build a new stadium with a capacity of 11,633, then I think it will significantly impact our finances

It's very possible it will be a different capacity when it all gets completed.

I've had a save where a 13K stadium was going to be built to replace a 20K stadium, and by the time all was said and done, it ended up being a 24K seat stadium

[Jimbokav1971]

Previous Intakes by CA/PA. Dec 2028. 

I'm having a look now at the intakes using the CA/PA and although the players.

2022 intake seems to be pretty close to star ratings, (from what we can see at least). When you also consider that there are 5 players on our shortlist from this intake, (so players who have been sold), then this was a very impressive intake. At the moment I haven't looked at the PA of those players, but I know how good they are so I would expect some of them to be significant. 

2023 intake shows quite a big variance, especially in the top 3 players who appear to have been significantly over-rated on Day 1, (or next 4 players significant under-rated depending on your point of view). 

2024 intake seems pretty close to expectations, with the possible exception of (24g) who has been capped at International level and has received more 1st team exposure dur to the paucity of decent strikers. 

2025 intake looks reasonable, with the exception of (25j) who they got badly wrong. Luckily for us I was short of centre-backs and I really liked his attributes so even before the "reveal" of the PA ratings, he had worked his way up to become a starting centre-half, (starting 13 of 18 games so far this season). 

2026 intake was a relatively poor intake in terms of depth, but also contains significantly the best player we have ever produced in terms of the PA of (26b). Thankfully he had already been identified as a decent player by me before the reveal, but it's been hard getting him in the team as I want him to play at DLP and he's was more suited to BBM and 1 signed a past player to be 1st choice in this position. 

2027 intake was a REALLY good one with no less than 9 players arriving at 120+ PA. I don't know what level of PA opposition players with have at this level in Portugal, but in comparison to what we have produced in other seasons, this is a proper "Golden Generation". I knew this was good when it came through, but reading back I think I sort of expected that we would get regular intakes like this and that's possibly a little wrong. 

2028 intake was significantly poorer by comparison. 

Now for the big reveal of the players on our Shortlist. 

(22c) Caneira (POR) DLF has CA of 125 and PA of 130. 
(22d) Couceiro (POR) DLP has a CA of 110 and PA of 149 so he's a VERY good player, (albeit someone who has really struggled with development of physical attributes).
(22f) Shynkarenko (POR) (UKR) has CA of 93 and PA of 155 and I'm delighted that we have already arranged to sign him back, (for £100,000) in January. 
(22g) Banao (CIV) 6'3" is the big one........ He has a CA of 143 and a PA of 173. He's significantly the best player we have produced to this point of the save, (but we all knew that already). 
(22j) Saná Cassamá (GNB) (POR) is a player I'm concerned about looking at because he left on a free and hates the club so we're unlikely to be able to get him back. His CA 110 is and PA is 125. It's not the absolute disaster that it might have been, but it's also not very clever from me. 
(24c) Carvalho (POR) has a CA of 98 and a PA of 166.  Now that is a surprise. I didn't see that coming, but the fact that he went to Juve should have been an indication. 
(24d) Máximo (POR) * is at PSG and I expect this to be big. His CA is 114 and his PA is 158. If anything I thought that his PA might be higher, (but that's still very good). 

I have also released players on a free who are not on the shortlist, (because I don't want to keep scouting them), so I'm going to look at those who are still in the game now and hope I didn't make any serious blunders. 

Miguel Oliveira. (POR) HG CA 64 PA 90. 

Kikas. (POR) SELL is a staff member now. 
Fábio Serafim. (POR) CA 45 PA 89.
David Brazão (POR) CA 82 PA 92. 
Eduardo Monteiro (POR) HG CA 88 PA 91.
Milton Leite (POR) HG CA 37 PA 57

João Manuel. (ANG) HG is a staff member now. 

(23j) Mustapha (NGA) CA 67 PA 86. 
(23m) Bruno Cruz (POR) CA 58 PA 83
(23p) Carlos Fonseca (POR) CA 50 PA 67
(23n) Bernardo Oliveira (POR) CA 51 PA 68
(23i) Valdir Semedo (POR)(CPV) CA 34 PA 74
(24m) Renato Meireles (POR) CA 31 PA 64
(24i) Cabral (CPV) (POR) CA 58 PA 117. This was a mistake and quite a significant one as he is also from (CPV) and would surely have been good enough to be capped at Senior International level.
(24l) Ângelo Patacas (POR) CA 33 PA 59.

All things considered, that's not too shabby at all. Just 2 decent/good players missed, and in the case of (22j) Saná Cassamá (GNB) (POR) it was less a case of him being missed and more a case of me making him unhappy early on and then not being able to fix it when I did want to keep him. 

[Jimbokav1971]

43 minutes ago, Watson156 said:

I've been meaning to comment in here before, but I've completely forgot! You've done a wonderful job so far and the info that you produce is fantastic and really helpful.

I'm currently doing a youth only save in Russia and the above graphic with all the facilities info is really insightful. I do have a couple of questions.

Thanks very much. No problem at all. 

[Jimbokav1971]

57 minutes ago, Watson156 said:

1) When it comes to upgrading Training & Youth Facilities, do you know if the more you improve them then the more it costs every month? Is it only the Youth Facilities that costs money (youth setup) or is Junior Coaching & Youth Recruitment also included in the Youth Setup monthly fee. Does improving the Training Facilites add any money to the youth setup?

I will double check this at some point so at the moment this is just what I think rather than what I know, (and there is a big difference), but... 

Junior Coaching seems to very little cost at all. It's just the level of coaching provided to aged-group players in the years prior to them coming through the intake, so the costs involved are not significant at any level, (whether up front or on-going). 

Youth Recruitment is a little different in that I consider it a little like scouting, (except for juniors), and if we think about how that works in real life it's largely quite low-cost with not much I can think of that would involve large investment or regular costs at this level. 

Training Facilities and Youth Facilities are different to the previous 2, (and eachother I think), in that the biggest costs of Training Facilities are at the outset, (with smaller increases in on-going costs), but Youth Facilities are the opposite, where there can be a significant cost at the outset, but the biggest cost is the on-going running of the Facility. 

I hope that helps and remember that this is opinion rather than fact. (If anyone agrees or disagrees then feel free to comment and add your opinion).  

[Edit]

With regards to the upgrade of the Training Facilities adding costs to the Youth setup, I wouldn't expect so, (but have never checked), and the fact that I have never noticed it would suggest that even if it does, the amount raised will be minimal. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Jimbokav1971

[Jimbokav1971]

52 minutes ago, Watson156 said:

2) Is there any way to know which rating relates to each meaning? For example I have exceptional Junior Coaching & Youth Recruitment. Obviously exceptional Junior Coaching is 20. Is there any way to know which exceptional my Youth Recruitment is without the editor? Do you know what the difference is (if any) between Youth Recruitment at 19 compared to 20?

Without using the Editor, no, there is no way to know what level you are at in terms of Exceptional Youth Recruitment, (and I have just realised that the L19 Youth Recruitment colour was wrong on my chart so I will go and change that shortly). Thanks. 

The only thing I would say is that if you can't upgrade it then you should assume that you are at L20, but keep checking back and upgrade it when and if you get the opportunity. There is no point worrying about it. If you can upgrade it then do. If you can't then you can't. 

[Watson156]

5 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

Without using the Editor, no, there is no way to know what level you are at in terms of Exceptional Youth Recruitment, (and I have just realised that the L19 Youth Recruitment colour was wrong on my chart so I will go and change that shortly). Thanks. 

The only thing I would say is that if you can't upgrade it then you should assume that you are at L20, but keep checking back and upgrade it when and if you get the opportunity. There is no point worrying about it. If you can upgrade it then do. If you can't then you can't. 

 

9 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I will double check this at some point so at the moment this is just what I think rather than what I know, (and there is a big difference), but... 

Junior Coaching seems to very little cost at all. It's just the level of coaching provided to aged-group players in the years prior to them coming through the intake, so the costs involved are not significant at any level, (whether up front or on-going). 

Youth Recruitment is a little different in that I consider it a little like scouting, (except for juniors), and if we think about how that works in real life it's largely quite low-cost with not much I can think of that would involve large investment or regular costs at this level. 

Training Facilities and Youth Facilities are different to the previous 2, (and eachother I think), in that the biggest costs of Training Facilities are at the outset, (with smaller increases in on-going costs), but Youth Facilities are the opposite, where there can be a significant cost at the outset, but the biggest cost is the on-going running of the Facility. 

I hope that helps and remember that this is opinion rather than fact. (If anyone agrees or disagrees then feel free to comment and add your opinion).  

[Edit]

With regards to the upgrade of the Training Facilities adding costs to the Youth setup, I wouldn't expect so, (but have never checked), and the fact that I have never noticed it would suggest that even if it does, the amount raised will be minimal. 

Perfect, thanks a lot for this info. You've really helped a lot. 

[Jimbokav1971]

Dec 2028. 

Liga Bwin. (I've installed the real name fix now so leagues have their proper names). We were never going to get anything out of the Sporting game, (and they scored all their 6 goals in the 1st half, but we beat Porto 3 times last season and when we led then 2-0 in the 67th min I thought we were all set to make it 4 wins from 4. Unfortunately they went a bit mad and smashed in 5 goals in the final 22 mins. On the plus side we immediately bounced back to win the last 2 games of the month to leave us sitting in 10th, a full 10 points clear of the relegation zone. 

Taça de Portugal. The real name, (according to the real name fix file), is Taça de Portugal Placard. I knew it as the Taça de Portugal and can't work out what the Placard part means. Does anyone know?

Goal-scoring GK's. 

Finances.