My youth academy produced an incredible player

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I doubt Cesc Fabregas' physical stats were much better at 16, but despite the amazing technical and good mental stats you can never be sure how the match engine will deal with him. Physical stats can be overestimated. I say keep him, focus on building up his physical stats up to balance it out and he will be a star.

[charlo116]

I can see where AF7 is coming from.

The match engine in FM10 (and in previous versions) has been very biased to physical attributes.

That is why players like, Lennon/Walcott/Gabby all have terrible technical attributes, to counter-act their physical presence.

Diaby for example, doesn't look like a very good player at all, in fact he doesn't look Arsenal quality. Yet he can be one of the best performers in the Premiership due to his physical attributes.

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That aside, you have yourself a pretty amazing youth product.. especially as it came through your system as well.

I am yet to get a player of any worth come through any of my systems!

Get a scout report and figure out how good his potential is, if it is something like 4 star - get him straight on a very physical regime till he is 18, then get him on a specialist schedule depending on what final position you choose to have him at to get the best out of him mentally and techically.

Good luck developing a tasty looking regen

i thought someone experimented with the match engine by making a bunch of players, some with 20's in technical attributes with 1's everywhere else, some with 20's in mental and some with 20's in physical attributes. And as it turned out the most successful players were the ones with high mental attributes.

[Badass_]

EDIT: Just seen the year that the OP screenshot is taken in, could the author find the 10 most expensive players in his save and list their physical attributes if he/she has the time?

Well, here's the thing...usually the most expensive players are that expensive because they have just been transferred and therefor their value matches how much was paid for the player and not his real value.

So, I'll show you the 3 most expensive players in the game that have not been transferred recently:

Masi

Le Floch (mine)

Gambino (mine)

If the point you're trying to make is that the most expensive players are the ones with high physical attributes you may be right....somewhat right.

[dave byrd]

Sorry to butt in but i've just got my youth setup ugraded to 'state of the art youth facilites+youth academy'. How often can i expect decent prospects to come through?

[Badass_]

Sorry to butt in but i've just got my youth setup ugraded to 'state of the art youth facilites+youth academy'. How often can i expect decent prospects to come through?

I have no idea. Lately I've been noticing a lot more promising players coming

trough my academy but if I had to guess I'd say it has more to do with the fact that I patched my game just recently then with the academy being state of the art.

[SCIAG]

I also have to side with AF7.

Firstly, the positives with this player: he's a great finisher. Technically, he has a fair amount of 14s, that will blossom into dark blue numbers in a few years and make him look even better. He also have 16 or more in five crucial mental attributes for his position.

The negatives, however, make me doubt he can be a European or International standard player. Technically, he's fine, though he lacks the dribbling or crossing ability to be a winger. Then, looking at his physicals, he doesn't have the pace, balance or acceleration to utilise that great finishing properly. Pace and acceleration are crucial to chance creation (watch Torres play in the ME and see where his chances come from to see what I mean) and without balance, players will find it a lot harder to make the most of chances. His final viable position is his natural position, AMC. High creativity, high decisions, high off the ball, great, he can really get into space and pick a pass... wait, he has anticipation and flair of 10. Those will limit his abilities by a fair bit. He won't take the glamourous option, even though it is easily within his ability to do so, and he isn't all that aware of his developing options due to his low anticipation. Furthermore, his 8 for stamina will be a nightmare to get up, and will mean he'll need to come off around the hour mark most matches.

There is hope for him, though probably not at a very top side. If you raise his stamina and anticipation, I think he could be an obviously talented but limited in use Premier League mid table player. Maybe he could make the odd start for your side if he had a string of impressive appearances from the bench, but I think you should be able to sign several better players from other clubs.

[Badass_]

There is hope for him, though probably not at a very top side. If you raise his stamina and anticipation, I think he could be an obviously talented but limited in use Premier League mid table player. Maybe he could make the odd start for your side if he had a string of impressive appearances from the bench, but I think you should be able to sign several better players from other clubs.

Oh trust me, it's not like I need him. I was just amazed that my academy had produced a player like this.

But tell me something, do you think this guy is crap? After all, he has 10 at crossing (something a full back needs) plus 8 at jumping and natural fitness.

Well, guess what? He's an amazing player . I think sometimes people get too caught up in certain attributes.

[Deo]

Oh trust me, it's not like I need him. I was just amazed that my academy had produced a player like this.

But tell me something, do you think this guy is crap? After all, he has 10 at crossing (something a full back needs) plus 8 at jumping and natural fitness.

Well, guess what? He's an amazing player . I think sometimes people get too caught up in certain attributes.

A full back doesn't really need good crossing, that's optional, his role is to support the attack aside from his primary role, defending the flanks, doesn't mean he can do it just by crossing. Nether does he really need jumping, he is a full back and not a centre back, therefore he needs pace, which he has plenty, and together with the high anticipation, concentration and decision making he has, of course he is a class full back.

As SCIAG pointed out, he lacks a few physical presence, it will hinder him, but I think that with good training he can be a good poacher, having his finishing, off the ball to 19-20 and his physical stats to around 12 and trust me, he will be amazing. Maybe not a regular starter but still amazing.

[Badass_]

A full back doesn't really need good crossing, that's optional, his role is to support the attack aside from his primary role, defending the flanks, doesn't mean he can do it just by crossing. Nether does he really need jumping, he is a full back and not a centre back, therefore he needs pace, which he has plenty, and together with the high anticipation, concentration and decision making he has, of course he is a class full back.

Actually crossing is one of the key attributes for a full back. Go to your tactics screen, select a fullback and you will see crossing highlighted.

[SCIAG]

Actually crossing is one of the key attributes for a full back. Go to your tactics screen, select a fullback and you will see crossing highlighted.

That just means a small number of FM fans think the attribute is useful for a general full back. You can make up for a deficiency like that by changing what he needs to do. You've got pretty much the perfect defensive full back there- great tackler, great marker, good positional sense, great mentally, and if anyone does get past him, he's rapid so will be able to catch up. Going forward, that pace comes into effect again, he has good anticipation, so will know what his team mates are planning, great technique, so he'll stay in control and strike the ball well, good first touch and passing, he stays calm, and he makes great decisions. Higher crossing would be nice, as would stamina, but he's outstanding defensively and useful going forward. I'd love him in my team.

[Deo]

Actually crossing is one of the key attributes for a full back. Go to your tactics screen, select a fullback and you will see crossing highlighted.

That's a very very naive to look at it honestly. Just because it says crossing is good for a full back doesn't mean that a player is **** as a full back if he has low crossing. Why? Simple, if you are a team that relies on attacking power by creative off the ball movement and through balls to strikers that are not exactly giants with great heading and jumping like my team, **** crossing, who needs it? Even if you have a 20 in crossing fullback, he'll never reach your strikers anyway. And my full backs are that, full backs, not wing backs. Their primary task is to defend the flanks and stop counter attacks because my team is worse that Barca when it comes to possession and attacking. That's why that if I had that full back I'd be super duper happy because he has everything I need, way better than my current one.

But I've seen your striker, Gambino and he really is a beast in the air, and if your tactics are so that you use you fullbacks a lot in attack, I imagine why you'd say crossing is important, but still, having someone like Gambino upfront renders that less important again since any cross would reach him... unless you hade someone as ****** as around 5 in crossing.

[Badass_]

That's a very very naive to look at it honestly. Just because it says crossing is good for a full back doesn't mean that a player is **** as a full back if he has low crossing. .

erm.... excuse me sir but that's exactly the point I was trying to make. Even though he sucks at crossing, look at rest of the attributes. He's a beast. that's why I was saying before that people get way too caught up in certain attributes.

[SCIAG]

erm.... excuse me sir but that's exactly the point I was trying to make. Even though he sucks at crossing, look at rest of the attributes. He's a beast. that's why I was saying before that people get way too caught up in certain attributes.

He's a different kettle of fish.

Your first player is best suited to sitting in the hole and playing clever passes, but he will shy away from playing the very best passes due to lack of flair, and also has low anticipation, which will cripple his passing ability.

[Falahk]

Sorry to butt in but i've just got my youth setup ugraded to 'state of the art youth facilites+youth academy'. How often can i expect decent prospects to come through?

normaly you would get about 1-3 that could be decent players each year, with a bit of luck you could maybe get a youngster that could become a leading top league player every other year