Since95 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 This is where anyone can easily find, write or read about tutoring I don`t know much so I`m leaving the writing part to you You don`t have to answer this but I need a quick answer if you`re interested I have a very good young player and I want to tutor him but I don`t know if he would like to be tutored from a player not much greater than him: what`s your suggestion? Team:Besiktas Player: Batuhan Karadeniz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwydion Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Tutoring is the focus of my latest save. I can't claim to be an expert on how this works, but I've made one key observation: It's best to tutor young players with senior players who have similar hidden stats and determination (i.e., the stats that can be improved via tutoring) Firstly, they're more likely to get along (it doesn't matter how much of a better player the tutor is, only those key personality stats). Secondly, improvements are more likely to happen and happen faster. As an example, say you have three strikers. Two of them are senior players with a determination stat of 20 and 15 respectively. The third striker is a young player with a determination of 10. Tutoring the youth player with the senior player with a determination of 20 is less likely to produce dramatic increases in the determination of the student than if you designated the striker with a 15 determination. So my current approach is tutor the youth with the second striker until he obtains a determination of 15, then begin tutoring the youth with first striker until he reaches a determination of 20. The same principle seems to apply to the other Personality stats, but without using an editor our scout it's hard to know what those are. The best you can do is make an educated guess based upon the in-game description of the players' Personality and their reaction to in-game events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since95 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 If the young player is personally better in a way, would you still tutor him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 That's really interesting analysis Gwydion. Thanks for that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoV Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Here are some of my tutoring observations: a) Determination Tutoring a player with a tutor with lower determination tends to lower his own determination to match his mentor's. Similarly, tutoring a player with a with a tutor with higher determination will raise his own determination, the max being the tutor's own determination level. b) PPMs Tutoring is the easiest way to pass down 'desirable' PPMs. While stuff like Places Shots, and Likes to Beat Offside Trap can be learned via training, some rare PPMs like Curls Balls cannot. The only chance for a young player to pick it up is to be tutored by a tutor who has the skill. c) Personality Most certainly, good tutoring has the impact of shaping a player's personality and after looking at what hidden attributes there are via Genie scout, there is a direct correlation. The obvious one is determination whereby a young player who gains more determination via tutoring sees his own personality change towards becoming a determined player. Another one where there is an obvious impact is professionalism. Successful tutoring of a young player by a tutor who is professional can raise his own professional trait. This is a hidden stat but you will be able to notice the change when you see the player's personality description change towards the professional description. What I have not conclusively observed however is whether consistency, resistance to pressure and big match mentality can be tutored into a player. I suspect this is possible since professionalism is already impacted. Would certainly like to here from other people who have more conclusive results as this will raise the value of consistent and high pressure tolerance mentors profoundly. It will also determine whether high potential youngsters with poor mental traits can be 'saved' via tutoring and to what extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwydion Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 If the young player is personally better in a way, would you still tutor him? It depends and is part of the decision you have to make as a manager. Perhaps you'd be willing to trade off temperment for more professionalism, but not willing to sacrafice determination for ambition. It also depends how much worse the tutor is in that stat. If the difference is very large then I suspect there is less risk of the stat lowering much (similar to stat increases), but it likely will still drop some. Also if it's only a point or two, it might be worth the trade off. Lastly, if I have another tutor I can have the young player learn from next who can help boost that stat back up the risk is smaller in the end. I usually aim to maximize Determination while having good Amibition and Professionalism statistics. For the latter two, I can settle for 14+. I also prefer to avoid very low temperments to avoid problems in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwydion Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 What I have not conclusively observed however is whether consistency, resistance to pressure and big match mentality can be tutored into a player. I suspect this is possible since professionalism is already impacted. Would certainly like to here from other people who have more conclusive results as this will raise the value of consistent and high pressure tolerance mentors profoundly. It will also determine whether high potential youngsters with poor mental traits can be 'saved' via tutoring and to what extent. My observations so far indicate that consistency and big match stats are not trainable via tutors, but rather increase naturally over time like most stats through game experience subject to the players potential. So you can expect high potential youngsters to improve in those areas naturally. Ability to handle pressure can be tutored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 "consistency and big match" Here it is reasonable to assume that these improve according to how much appropriate match experience they get. Playing every U18 game wont increase the big match att. Playing the kid in a real big match (as sub) will - if he does well. The risk is putting him out of his depth could have the opposite effect. It's all part of managerial judgement and risk-taking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM1 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Just wanted to add This is from another thread called "You asked SI answered" "have heard crouchy that Ideal role model = learns PPM's tutors hidden stats and some mental stats Approach to game = PPM's and some mental stats can learn from = PPM's only dont no if this is 100% true but this is what i was told by Hopey" And "Ideal role model - I want you to be this mans shadow. Do as he does. Eat what he eats... become this man! Approach to game - Follow what he does during matches and training. Learn things from him that will add to your own game, given you're similar types of players. Can learn from - This guy has a few skills that I'd like you to learn, because they will add to your own game." Also wanted to add that learning PPM's, focus the player to increase faster in the relevant stat so for example PPM of place shoot will make the player increase Finishing skill faster - from that I think it is safe to say that if you tutor a player with a player with PPM place shoots as well as have his training set for very high shooting - you should see very fast increase to that young players finishing stat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezooner Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 i ask a question about ppm how i can get "tries trick"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM1 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 i ask a question about ppmhow i can get "tries trick"? My guess (mind you it is only a gues) would be the PPM "dribble down the middle/right flank/left flank" whichever is relevant to that players position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezooner Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 i ll try ok thx and can explain this hidden ppms how we can get (wind up opponents, overhead kicks etc.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Sorry, wrong MM1. Tries tricks and the other 'hidden' PPMs are not actually hidden. They were never coded into the game. In other words, they don't do anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezooner Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 some players have this abilities? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM1 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Sorry, wrong MM1. Tries tricks and the other 'hidden' PPMs are not actually hidden. They were never coded into the game. In other words, they don't do anything. Thanks phnompenhandy and apologies dezooner - like I wrote was only a guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickToye Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 So in a nutshell? It's best to tutor players who are 5 points less than them in a certain skill you want that player to improve on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I'm enjoying reading this, simply because I have a couple of youngsters I'm finding it hard to tutor or get to learn the PPM's I want them to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooenspiel Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 does anyone have any information on how long it is before a a tutee can be tutored again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veg Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Normally a new sequence could be started ca a year after the last period was started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooenspiel Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Normally a new sequence could be started ca a year after the last period was started. Cheers for the reply1 Means that you have to be quite careful with who you are using to tutor then - and start at a young age! I also have another question, regarding improving players personalities, as i've been finding it hit and miss with some players. For ambitious or fairly ambitious players, what woud be the best personality to be tutored with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompe Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 http://bildr.no/view/561321 <- Just to show that tutoring works really well and can be extremely powerfull. Im in the beginning of my 5th season and have probably conducted over 100 tutoring sessions and only had a handful of fall outs/personality clashes. Those clashes seems to be random though. My reserves and youth team looks alot the same, determined, professional and resolute. Just waiting for my first perfectionist and model citizen ;p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnakai Haaskivi Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Can tutoring ever upset the tutor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompe Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yes, it can happen, but I havent seen it blow up to something big. The only way I've seen it is a message saying "-Tutor- glad to see 'tutee' leave" when I've sent a young player out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blurps11 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Normally a new sequence could be started ca a year after the last period was started. This seems to be really really whacky though. Sometimes I can start a new session immediately after the old one, sometimes after two or three months and sometimes it takes forever. One more question though: Out of the visible mental stats I know Tutoring affects Determination and Workrate. Does it also affect the other ones like Creativity, Off the Ball and Positioning ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFraser Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 This seems to be really really whacky though. Sometimes I can start a new session immediately after the old one, sometimes after two or three months and sometimes it takes forever.One more question though: Out of the visible mental stats I know Tutoring affects Determination and Workrate. Does it also affect the other ones like Creativity, Off the Ball and Positioning ? No, it only affects those stats that are not affected by CA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blurps11 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 No, it only affects those stats that are not affected by CA. Right, so other than PPMs there would be no point in tutoring a youngster who has high scores in these stats to begin with ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willis Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 This seems to be really really whacky though. Sometimes I can start a new session immediately after the old one, sometimes after two or three months and sometimes it takes forever.One more question though: Out of the visible mental stats I know Tutoring affects Determination and Workrate. Does it also affect the other ones like Creativity, Off the Ball and Positioning ? Tutoring has an impact on workrate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shocking Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Tutoring has an impact on workrate? No. Tutoring only affects Determination, all of the hidden personality traits, and PPMs. Also...a good tip to make sure that your tutoring recommendations are accepted by your youngsters is to be liked by them. You can make them like you by praising them (not to often or this will have the opposite effect), by leading them to League/Cup successes, or the easiest one which is to comment about them before you buy them. Tell them you think they're going to be an awesome player(for youth players),they are already an awesome player and that you're definitely looking to buy them - providing that they actually want join your club they will love you for this and usually arrive at your club with you already in their "Liked Personnel" section. They'll then agree to be tutored by whoever you want. It's a little bit exploity, but then again would an 18-year old really tell a top manager that he doesn't want to be tutored? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veg Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Right, so other than PPMs there would be no point in tutoring a youngster who has high scores in these stats to begin with ? Depends if you find a senior player with even higher ratings in these attributes then there is a point if not, there is no point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardeye Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 a) Determination Tutoring a player with a tutor with lower determination tends to lower his own determination to match his mentor's. Is this also the case with professionalism? If a youngster has a higher rating for professionalism than the tutor- will the youngster drop in professionalism? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shocking Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Is this also the case with professionalism? If a youngster has a higher rating for professionalism than the tutor- will the youngster drop in professionalism? Yes- Determination and hidden personality attributes of a tutee can go up or down "towards" his tutors attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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