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Isn't possible. He is set as GK Coach in the RB Academy and also has added player retirement with 01/07/2023

Please provide me a screenshot where he is registered and the added retirement not.

Thanks

 

 

 

vor einer Stunde schrieb Fire_03:

Isn't possible. He is set as GK Coach in the RB Academy and also has added player retirement with 01/07/2023

Please provide me a screenshot where he is registered and the added retirement not.

Thanks

 

 

 

Shouldn't Walke be set as Youth GK Coach for RB Leipzig instead of RB Salzburg?

https://www.transfermarkt.de/alexander-walke/profil/trainer/117419

Correct, so the question is, why nobody from RB Leipzig spotted this before?

Is on the list for a future update

Thanks

Am 22.10.2023 um 09:23 schrieb fzjjjjw:

I think Brajan Gruda should have a higher CA or PA?He is clearly the most dangerous player in Mainz's recent  games.

Hi,

as you have probably already seen, Gruda has already received a pretty big upgrade for FM24, especially in terms of his CA.

Whilst he has been great in recent games, especially against Bayern (which was obviously after the data deadlock), he still only has 4 senior starts to his name.

But if he continues on his current trajectory, he will continue to see increases in his CA & attributes ;-)

Greetings

Hello together, 

I really love the 1.Fc Köln. But there should be debts to make the game realistic.

"Ein Jahr später, zum 30. Juni 2023, liegen die Verbindlichkeiten noch bei 50,5 Mio. Euro (statt zuvor 66,0)." Lawine abgewendet: Wie viel Schulden der 1. FC Köln noch hat - GEISSBLOG

to translate:

at the 30.June 2023 Cologne have still debts in the amount of 50.5 Million €. 

Am 24.10.2023 um 11:58 schrieb Theouiu:

Hello together, 

I really love the 1.Fc Köln. But there should be debts to make the game realistic.

"Ein Jahr später, zum 30. Juni 2023, liegen die Verbindlichkeiten noch bei 50,5 Mio. Euro (statt zuvor 66,0)." Lawine abgewendet: Wie viel Schulden der 1. FC Köln noch hat - GEISSBLOG

to translate:

at the 30.June 2023 Cologne have still debts in the amount of 50.5 Million €. 

Thanks. This will be looked at for future updates.

Hi I got some feedback on Werder Bremen,

1. Justin Njinmahs skin color is set way too light for the 3D game. He should have the same skin color as Felix Agu. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/justin-njinmah/profil/spieler/596153)

2. Johannes Haberlandt is a new Physio coming from Karlsruhe. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/johannes-haberlandt/profil/trainer/51179)

3. Philipp Pelka is a new Leistungsanalyst coming from Hertha BSC. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/philipp-pelka/profil/trainer/63046)

4. Lars Wellm is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/lars-wellm/profil/trainer/97031)

5. Frank Bender is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/frank-bender/profil/trainer/622)

6. Nino Panland is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/nino-paland/profil/trainer/46320)

7. Marco Mentrup is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/marco-mentrup/profil/trainer/37741)

8. Jascha Brandt  has the wrong Julian Brandt set as a brother. It should be 91119265 instead of 91195228.

(https://www.transfermarkt.de/jascha-brandt/profil/spieler/603734)

(https://www.transfermarkt.de/julian-brandt/profil/spieler/187492) correct

(https://www.transfermarkt.de/julian-brandt/profil/spieler/393086) wrong

9. I don't know if that is something that can be changed, but there are always wrong players from Werder Bremen first or second team in the Werder Bremen U21 squad (Werder Bremen III). This season they are playing in the sixth tier and shouldn't have any players in the squad.

Hope that helps

Am 23.10.2023 um 09:37 schrieb Fire_03:

Isn't possible. He is set as GK Coach in the RB Academy and also has added player retirement with 01/07/2023

Please provide me a screenshot where he is registered and the added retirement not.

Thanks

 

 

 

at the german football website Fußball.de you can see all the players that the teams have registered. Here you have the Fußball.de link https://www.fussball.de/playerprofil/-/userid/02MOPG7TQC000000VUM1DNOVVUVQ45SV#!/ . If you also go to the RB Leipzig squad on the Bundesliga website you won't see Alexander Walke. But if you enter his name in the website link at the top you will find Alexander Walke. This is how it works with all registered players who are not part of the official first team or are not yet in the match day squad

Shouldn't Kim's wage be increased? 5,3 Million seems way too low and needs to be doubled.

Every source basically says that he gets around 12 million Euros gross per year.
 

https://www.transfermarkt.de/bericht-fc-bayern-mit-napolis-kim-einig-ndash-wurde-gehalt-bei-transfer-mehr-als-verdoppeln/view/news/423947

https://fcbinside.de/2023/06/29/neue-details-enthuellt-ist-min-jae-kim-teurer-als-bisher-gedacht/
 

Another thing:

Can the values for max wages slightly be increased in Germany? For example seeing Kimmich extend his contract in 2025 and now getting less than before is a little bit immersion breaking.

vor 28 Minuten schrieb Rofocale:

Shouldn't Kim's wage be increased? 5,3 Million seems way too low and needs to be doubled.

Every source basically says that he gets around 12 million Euros gross per year.
 

https://www.transfermarkt.de/bericht-fc-bayern-mit-napolis-kim-einig-ndash-wurde-gehalt-bei-transfer-mehr-als-verdoppeln/view/news/423947

https://fcbinside.de/2023/06/29/neue-details-enthuellt-ist-min-jae-kim-teurer-als-bisher-gedacht/
 

Another thing:

Can the values for max wages slightly be increased in Germany? For example seeing Kimmich extend his contract in 2025 and now getting less than before is a little bit immersion breaking.

Hi,

Kim didn't have a specific wage set in the database, from when the Italian Research Team moved him over, which means the game calculates his wages.

But his wages have now been set for future updates, thanks!

 

As for Kimmich, do you have a screenshot of the new contract he has signed in-game, for us to investigate, because that really does seem a bit off. Since we don't have anything set that should prevent him getting a pay-rise on his current terms.

Greetings

vor 5 Stunden schrieb Dominic10:

Hi,

Kim didn't have a specific wage set in the database, from when the Italian Research Team moved him over, which means the game calculates his wages.

But his wages have now been set for future updates, thanks!

 

As for Kimmich, do you have a screenshot of the new contract he has signed in-game, for us to investigate, because that really does seem a bit off. Since we don't have anything set that should prevent him getting a pay-rise on his current terms.

Greetings

Here is a screen of Kimmich's new contract.




de Ligt is also somewhat strange. He now gets 58k more than in 2023 but lost all his bonuses for winning competitions which effectively is a wage reduction.

2023:



2025:

In the ORDB there is a 25 Mio Euro max player wage set for Bayern. However for average wages in Germany for CA 170-179 (Kimmich has 176) there is 7.5 Mio Euro in the ORDB. This is probably the cause, because when these are higher (like for example in Daveincids realism megapack), then the salaries are also higher and in this case more realistic as the average wages for Germany (in ORDB: Germany (771) -> DB -> Amounts) have not been updated in a while.

I started with Schalke 04 and i started with 250 Million€ in Depth and -90 Million€ on Bankaccount. So Schalke went instant insolvent and the Inslventmanager sold all Players for a joke of a Price. 

https://www.n-tv.de/sport/Zweitligist-Schalke-04-erschuettert-Pessimisten-article24486106.html 

In this Article is the Information, that Schalke has 160 Million€ Depths, made 50 Million Profit last Year. Also I thiunk because of the Playersales Schalke has about 20 Million€ on their Bankaccount. Not -90 Mill. 

With the Startingsituation like i told above, a save with Schalke is unplayable with this amount of depth and -90 Mill on their account. 

vor 10 Stunden schrieb maximus96:

I started with Schalke 04 and i started with 250 Million€ in Depth and -90 Million€ on Bankaccount. So Schalke went instant insolvent and the Inslventmanager sold all Players for a joke of a Price. 

https://www.n-tv.de/sport/Zweitligist-Schalke-04-erschuettert-Pessimisten-article24486106.html 

In this Article is the Information, that Schalke has 160 Million€ Depths, made 50 Million Profit last Year. Also I thiunk because of the Playersales Schalke has about 20 Million€ on their Bankaccount. Not -90 Mill. 

With the Startingsituation like i told above, a save with Schalke is unplayable with this amount of depth and -90 Mill on their account. 

Hi,

Finances have been reworked for FM24. But you are absolutely correct, at the moment Schalke's debt is not calculated correctly. This has been addressed for future updates, thanks.

Regarding Schalke's Balance, as seen by their most recent financial numbers, which annoyingly have been released after the data deadlock, their equity stands at -€100.2m. Which is outside capital that has to be paid back.

Unfortunately for them, they don't have €20m lying around to spend on transfers. Most of the revenue generated by player sales has been put into paying back debts (hence the reduction in liabilities as per their most recent numbers) and only a small portion of that went into the acquisition of new players, as is the case in game.

Greetings

Am 21.10.2023 um 13:28 schrieb NHG90:

Hi, Babacar Wane is no longer employed by Hertha BSC. The new chief scout is Timon Pauls:

https://www.kicker.de/augsburgs-chefscout-pauls-wechselt-zu-hertha-bsc-973125/artikel

Timon Pauls is not yet signed by Hertha BSC, even though it seemed that all parties agreed, Augsburg is now trying to get a compensation fee and Hertha is willing to wait. We should wait until it is confirmed by atleast one of the clubs.

 

A few other notes about Hertha:

 

- The combined starting transfer/remaining wage budget with 6  Mio in total is way too high. Hertha is super broke and even though the Lukebakio transfer brought some needed cash in, it should not be more than 2 Mio in total.

- In general Herthas financial situation is HIGHLY problematic (struggled to get the professional license for 23/24) and this should be reflected in the game a little more. 

- Jeremy Dudziaks "one Year extension after league games" clause is twice in the game. However, I have never read about such a clause in the media at all.

- Maolida should be downgraded even more. Especially his pace is way off, he should not be faster than 13/14.

- Ibrahim Maza signed a long-term contract with the club which is not resembled ingame

- Matthias Borst is not Performance Analyst anymore, he moved to Köln: https://www.transfermarkt.de/matthias-borst/profil/trainer/52310

- Dinzey (Michél Mazingu in the game) works as a scout now: https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/hertha-bsc/hertha-bsc-zweitligist-holt-aufstiegsheld-michl-dinzey-zurueck-85718164.bild.html

- Klaus Brüggemann and Ingo Schiller should be removed from the Board Members section as they are not in the board anymore. Instead, add the other members of the Präsidium: https://www.herthabsc.com/de/club/gremien/praesidium 

- Marius Gersbeck should definitly have a lot of his reputation  removed because of his incident

- I would remove  Jerome Boateng from the "Icons" section, nobody wants to see him here anymore. If it should be updated with some more recent players, I would strongly advise to add Per Skjelbred and Fabian Lustenberger here or under Favoured Personnel.

It's sad that the other 777 clubs don't show up under Affiliated clubs, especially since transfers between them happened (Kanga to Lüttich, Lukebakio to Sevilla) even though I understand that there is no particular parent club between them. Not sure how to see the disliked personnel ingame, but Fredi Bobic should definitley be a part of it. 

 

Edited October 31, 2023 by Bloody

vor 19 Stunden schrieb Bloody:

Timon Pauls is not yet signed by Hertha BSC, even though it seemed that all parties agreed, Augsburg is now trying to get a compensation fee and Hertha is willing to wait. We should wait until it is confirmed by atleast one of the clubs.

 

A few other notes about Hertha:

 

- The combined starting transfer/remaining wage budget with 6  Mio in total is way too high. Hertha is super broke and even though the Lukebakio transfer brought some needed cash in, it should not be more than 2 Mio in total.

- In general Herthas financial situation is HIGHLY problematic (struggled to get the professional license for 23/24) and this should be reflected in the game a little more. 

- Jeremy Dudziaks "one Year extension after league games" clause is twice in the game. However, I have never read about such a clause in the media at all.

- Maolida should be downgraded even more. Especially his pace is way off, he should not be faster than 13/14.

- Ibrahim Maza signed a long-term contract with the club which is not resembled ingame

- Matthias Borst is not Performance Analyst anymore, he moved to Köln: https://www.transfermarkt.de/matthias-borst/profil/trainer/52310

- Dinzey (Michél Mazingu in the game) works as a scout now: https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/hertha-bsc/hertha-bsc-zweitligist-holt-aufstiegsheld-michl-dinzey-zurueck-85718164.bild.html

- Klaus Brüggemann and Ingo Schiller should be removed from the Board Members section as they are not in the board anymore. Instead, add the other members of the Präsidium: https://www.herthabsc.com/de/club/gremien/praesidium 

- Marius Gersbeck should definitly have a lot of his reputation  removed because of his incident

- I would remove  Jerome Boateng from the "Icons" section, nobody wants to see him here anymore. If it should be updated with some more recent players, I would strongly advise to add Per Skjelbred and Fabian Lustenberger here or under Favoured Personnel.

It's sad that the other 777 clubs don't show up under Affiliated clubs, especially since transfers between them happened (Kanga to Lüttich, Lukebakio to Sevilla) even though I understand that there is no particular parent club between them. Not sure how to see the disliked personnel ingame, but Fredi Bobic should definitley be a part of it. 

 

Hi,

thanks for the detailed feedback.

- As for Pauls, like you already mentioned said, the move unfortunately is not official yet. Even though it seems destined to happen in the next few days. So if it gets confirmed, it will be in the game after a future update.

- Hertha’s finances (along with most other Bundesliga / 2. Bundesliga clubs) have been updated after the data deadlock of the Early Access, they will be more accurately reflected for the full-game release.

- Dudziak’s clause appearing twice in the game seems to be a coding issue, and is looked at by the coding team, as it is an issue that has appeared throughout multiple leagues.

As for the clause itself, if you hover over it, you can see that it only kicks in if Hertha get promoted. That promotion-clause was mentioned in a Sport Bild article and also shows up on his Transfermarkt profile.

- Maolida’s pace, along with his acceleration, reputation, CA etc. have all taken a massive hit recently. Reducing him even more would be quite harsh on the player he still is.

The reason he is not playing for the first team is mostly because he seems to be done with Hertha (mentally) and Pal Dardai absolutely does not rate his professionalism, application and attitude. Especially after a transfer failed to materialize in the summer.

We will of course continue to monitor his progress, even though he might not be at Hertha past January ;-)

It’s "only" Regio-football, but when you watch him for Hertha II, he still stands out massively, mostly due to his pace (his performances against Babelsberg and Lok Leipzig really showcased that). His Pace and Acceleration are definitely still the strongest part of his game, even though because of a couple of injuries they might not be on the same level as they were a couple of years ago (hence the downgrade).

- Ibo Maza, whilst he only officially has a contract until 2024, Hertha have an option to extend it by 2 years. That’s how it was reported at the time he signed his deal.

- The staff-changes will be looked at for future updates, thanks!

- Gersbeck has seen a couple of changes, mostly to to his personality, after his incident and is unavailable for selection for the time he was suspended. But since he is back in the 1st team, I’m not sure a decrease in reputation is the right course of action, especially as it doesn’t seem like Hertha are actively looking to get rid of him (also due to his relationship with Bernstein).

- Unfortunately at the moment there is not really an accurate way to set that kind of multi-club ownership, where there is not necessarily a senior club, and the ownership stake varies between club to club, but we will look for solutions.

- Favoured personnel of clubs is usually set by the licensers, so we don’t have too much influence over those, but you made some really good suggestions that can be discussed in the next licensing cycle, thanks!

Greetings

Thank you for your in-depth answer, really appreciate it.

As for Timon Pauls, according to Bild(+  / Paywall) he had his first day working for Hertha yesterday (1.11.23). Here is a secondary source referencing it: https://www.fussballtransfers.com/a7601256272032248095-ohne-abloese-hertha-bekommt-kaderplaner-pauls 

Am 26.10.2023 um 00:21 schrieb Max_Power:

Hi I got some feedback on Werder Bremen,

1. Justin Njinmahs skin color is set way too light for the 3D game. He should have the same skin color as Felix Agu. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/justin-njinmah/profil/spieler/596153)

2. Johannes Haberlandt is a new Physio coming from Karlsruhe. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/johannes-haberlandt/profil/trainer/51179)

3. Philipp Pelka is a new Leistungsanalyst coming from Hertha BSC. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/philipp-pelka/profil/trainer/63046)

4. Lars Wellm is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/lars-wellm/profil/trainer/97031)

5. Frank Bender is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/frank-bender/profil/trainer/622)

6. Nino Panland is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/nino-paland/profil/trainer/46320)

7. Marco Mentrup is missing as a Scout. (https://www.transfermarkt.de/marco-mentrup/profil/trainer/37741)

8. Jascha Brandt  has the wrong Julian Brandt set as a brother. It should be 91119265 instead of 91195228.

(https://www.transfermarkt.de/jascha-brandt/profil/spieler/603734)

(https://www.transfermarkt.de/julian-brandt/profil/spieler/187492) correct

(https://www.transfermarkt.de/julian-brandt/profil/spieler/393086) wrong

9. I don't know if that is something that can be changed, but there are always wrong players from Werder Bremen first or second team in the Werder Bremen U21 squad (Werder Bremen III). This season they are playing in the sixth tier and shouldn't have any players in the squad.

Hope that helps

- Also new in that Frank Baumann will not extend his contract beyond 30.06.2024. In the game he will stay as "Geschäftsführer" forever. 

https://www.werder.de/aktuell/news/profis/2023/2024/baumann-scheidet-im-sommer-aus-der-geschaeftsfuehrung-aus-01112023/.

On 28/10/2023 at 21:10, Dominic10 said:

Hi,

Finances have been reworked for FM24. But you are absolutely correct, at the moment Schalke's debt is not calculated correctly. This has been addressed for future updates, thanks.

Regarding Schalke's Balance, as seen by their most recent financial numbers, which annoyingly have been released after the data deadlock, their equity stands at -€100.2m. Which is outside capital that has to be paid back.

Unfortunately for them, they don't have €20m lying around to spend on transfers. Most of the revenue generated by player sales has been put into paying back debts (hence the reduction in liabilities as per their most recent numbers) and only a small portion of that went into the acquisition of new players, as is the case in game.

Greetings

Thank you for fixing this in the future. I am still curious to see how you are handling the equity/loan question, since the negative equity comes from the loans. To my understanding it is either 160 million in loans and zero bank balance (or equity as you call it) or 60 million in loans and 100 million in negative equity. 

 

Disclaimer: If I understood you (and my economy profs) correctly.

Ko Itakura - favoured personnel --> Daisuke Takagi (45035220) [friend], Kaoru Mitoma [former team-mate]

Ao Tanaka - favoured personnel --> Wayne Rooney [idol]
 

From the old Frontale player bios. In the case of Itakura-Mitoma bromance, I can't find the article about this (it was in an old matchday programme) but they basically came up through the Frontale youth team together and then when Kaoru moved to Europe, Ko kinda mentored him a lot. They've known each other since they were like 11 years old.

2 minutes ago, kabajingai said:

Ko Itakura - favoured personnel --> Daisuke Takagi (45035220) [friend], Kaoru Mitoma [former team-mate]

Ao Tanaka - favoured personnel --> Wayne Rooney [idol]
 

From the old Frontale player bios. In the case of Itakura-Mitoma bromance, I can't find the article about this (it was in an old matchday programme) but they basically came up through the Frontale youth team together and then when Kaoru moved to Europe, Ko kinda mentored him a lot. They've known each other since they were like 11 years old.

Cool, thanks - happy to have these added (for future releases) - always nice to include

vor 20 Stunden schrieb katze84:

Thank you for fixing this in the future. I am still curious to see how you are handling the equity/loan question, since the negative equity comes from the loans. To my understanding it is either 160 million in loans and zero bank balance (or equity as you call it) or 60 million in loans and 100 million in negative equity. 

 

Disclaimer: If I understood you (and my economy profs) correctly.

It's a mixture of both.

Usually it's based on the official financial figures that the clubs must submit to the DFL (and other official financial numbers published by the clubs) https://media.dfl.de/sites/2/2023/07/Clubs-der-2.-Bundesliga-2023-24-FINAL-Geschaeftsjahresende-2022.pdf.

The Cash Balance is then based loosely on the equity (Eigenkapital) numbers, especially when the club is in the red.

(Also worth noting: Since those numbers also include stuff like player book values, fixed assets etc, the Cash Balance for clubs with a positive equity will be lower than the equity-figure).

If a club has even more debt than their negative equity, then that debt will also be logged (separately) in the database. The game then calculates those figures together for the total net debt number.

On 04/11/2023 at 18:13, Dominic10 said:

It's a mixture of both.

Usually it's based on the official financial figures that the clubs must submit to the DFL (and other official financial numbers published by the clubs) https://media.dfl.de/sites/2/2023/07/Clubs-der-2.-Bundesliga-2023-24-FINAL-Geschaeftsjahresende-2022.pdf.

The Cash Balance is then based loosely on the equity (Eigenkapital) numbers, especially when the club is in the red.

(Also worth noting: Since those numbers also include stuff like player book values, fixed assets etc, the Cash Balance for clubs with a positive equity will be lower than the equity-figure).

If a club has even more debt than their negative equity, then that debt will also be logged (separately) in the database. The game then calculates those figures together for the total net debt number.

Thank you for taking the time to explain that. I am confident that you know what you ared doing. Also, I had no idea that this overview for all the clubs exists and is publicly available.

Greetings

I don't know if this is a correct thread to write about it, but I'll try.

I play mostly with german teams for a long time. I like to look at the editor or tools like GenieScout to see what is the potential of young players from various countries and IMO the german players have generally lower potential than other "big" football nations like England, France, Spain, Italy or Netherlands. There's always less players with big PA in Bundesliga than in other Top 5 leagues. The researchers who are responsible for Germany are either very harsh or don't have the info about other nations in the game. 

In current version I checked the Editor, to find out how many players have high random PA.

130-160:

Germany - 14

Netherlands - 43

France - 36

England - 47

Italy - 23

Spain - 57

140-170:

Germany - 3

Netherlands - 15

France - 16

England - 22

Italy - 7

Spain - 16

150-180:

Germany - 4

Netherlands - 3

France - 8

England - 6

Italy - 4

Spain - 2

So only 21 german players in this range, with about 60 from Netherlands and France and over 70 from England and Spain. Even Italy has got more players with high potential. The crisis in german football is not as big. And the the problem of the low PA of young german players (in comparison with other big countries) is present in the game for a long time (at least couple of years). So once again - either the german researchers are too harsh or the researchers from other countries are too optimistic. 

 

vor 21 Minuten schrieb szp:

I don't know if this is a correct thread to write about it, but I'll try.

I play mostly with german teams for a long time. I like to look at the editor or tools like GenieScout to see what is the potential of young players from various countries and IMO the german players have generally lower potential than other "big" football nations like England, France, Spain, Italy or Netherlands. There's always less players with big PA in Bundesliga than in other Top 5 leagues. The researchers who are responsible for Germany are either very harsh or don't have the info about other nations in the game. 

In current version I checked the Editor, to find out how many players have high random PA.

130-160:

Germany - 14

Netherlands - 43

France - 36

England - 47

Italy - 23

Spain - 57

140-170:

Germany - 3

Netherlands - 15

France - 16

England - 22

Italy - 7

Spain - 16

150-180:

Germany - 4

Netherlands - 3

France - 8

England - 6

Italy - 4

Spain - 2

So only 21 german players in this range, with about 60 from Netherlands and France and over 70 from England and Spain. Even Italy has got more players with high potential. The crisis in german football is not as big. And the the problem of the low PA of young german players (in comparison with other big countries) is present in the game for a long time (at least couple of years). So once again - either the german researchers are too harsh or the researchers from other countries are too optimistic. 

 

Hi,

thanks for the detailed research. This is actually something we are currently looking into / working on, but is obviously a wider topic of discussion, so it will be more of a gradual process.

But it should improve in the next updates and future FM-releases.

Greetings