dazbowski Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I''m manager of gateshead, i won the blue square north first season, now am 2nd in the conference yet i'm being offered top jobs already, i've been offered aston villa, manchester city and newcastle. Bit unrealistic IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 My guess is that you set your reputation as International Footballer, so you created the unrealistic rep rather than the game performing in an unrealistic manner. Set your rep as Sunday league and you won't get offered any jobs until you've achieved a hell of a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammondkahuna Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Did you set your manager settings to International Footballer? Edit: ah, Nomis07 beat me to that by a hairline! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 My guess is that you set your reputation as International Footballer, so you created the unrealistic rep rather than the game performing in an unrealistic manner. Set your rep as Sunday league and you won't get offered any jobs until you've achieved a hell of a lot. just had a look, yes i did set it as that, but even still it's a bit soon to be offered them kind of jobs is it not? i mean when did a conference manager get offered a top world job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 just had a look, yes i did set it as that, but even still it's a bit soon to be offered them kind of jobs is it not? i mean when did a conference manager get offered a top world job? Paul Ince made a very hefty leap from MK Dons to Blackburn, he'd done well at MK Dons but the mainr eason is his reputation, which was built up as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kees04 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Paul Ince got the Blackburn job from the MK Dons as an example. I think it's down to the reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Paul Ince made a very hefty leap from MK Dons to Blackburn, he'd done well at MK Dons but the mainr eason is his reputation, which was built up as a player. agreed but i would say that mk dons are significantly bigger than gateshead and man city bigger than blackburn, i'm not really moaning just find it a bit unrealistic am really loving the game. Anyway i'm turning them all down as i wanna win the big three with gateshead. p.s just been offered the lazio job??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Cpu Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 hi dazbowski, the brazilian national team never managed any club before... so its possible to a known player become manager of any team, not that this is the rioght stuff (DUNGA SUX) , but happen all time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 true, but either way his reputation was the main reason for him getting the job. IMO if he had done a good job with Gateshead rather than MK Dons he would still have been flavour of the month and Newcastle etc would have been after him. There are many managers who have done a better job down in league 1/2, but no prem club would touch them because they don't have the profile that Ince had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeyfan Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Alan Shearer is being touted as next Newcastle manager and has never managed a club, neither had Roy Keane before Sunderland or Stuart Pearce before Man City iirc and I think Glenn Hoddle went straight into a top flight job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Hoddle managed Swindon in the First Division before he went to Chelsea, but that's still pretty high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azza12342 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 just had a look, yes i did set it as that, but even still it's a bit soon to be offered them kind of jobs is it not? i mean when did a conference manager get offered a top world job? Garath Southgate and Tony Adams, both had 0 managment experience and are now managing premier league sides... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigy18181 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 its very easy to get jobs these days, how any international manager have went from retirement straight into international jobs. Ryjkaard, Van Basten, Hughes, Klinsmann. That used to be the pinnacle of a managers career back in the day. Not any more. Few other people have listed Southgate, Adams and I remember one John Barnes but we all know how that one worked out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 like the man in the orthapaedic shoes i stand corrected (credit to dan from alan partridge ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The mistake within professional football. Not starting at the bottom means you get nowhere. Paul Ince, Tony Adams, Gareth Southgate, Gianfranco Zola...they have achieved sooo much (not) by being considered good at management just because they were former internationals. Martin O'Neil began at the bottom and look at him now, no-one would suggest he isn't a decent manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The guy who said Stuart Pearce never managed before Man City...he had a brief spell in charge of Notts Forest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty_u Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Garath Southgate and Tony Adams, both had 0 managment experience and are now managing premier league sides... Actually Adams had some lower league experience with Wycombe, but it did not go that well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fm_macuser Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Steve Staunton was given the Irish international managers job on the back of a good reputation, I doubt his 6 months as assistant manager at Walsall had much to do with the appointment! Gareth Southgate, Marco Van Basten and Jurgen Klinsmann also come to mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilly93 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 And El Diego didn't get the Argentina job based on his coaching record! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Ok ok, I think the point has been proved Nothing to do with FM, but does anyone agree that we will never see another Ferguson or Redknapp style manager who worked their way to the top? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris fitzy Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 i was 17th in the lowest league with hucknall and i got offered a job at derby and sheffield wednesday, my reputation was professional footballer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Ok ok, I think the point has been proved Nothing to do with FM, but does anyone agree that we will never see another Ferguson or Redknapp style manager who worked their way to the top? Nigel Clough,I think he has a chance to work his way up. As to the op John Barnes>Celtic,top footballer no manager experience giving a big club to manage and what a great job he did too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Nigel Clough has a chance, but I think teams will still opt for the likes of Ince or Zola who have less experience and IMO less promise, but huge reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 You'll get the odd few still grounding their way up to the top but it will be far less than before. IMO we have seen the end of the Fergusons or Redknapps. Also remember both clubs and managers don't have much patience these days to stay somewhere for so long. Dowie is a prime example, why on earth teams keep employing him should require an X-Files style investigation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Cannery Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Whoever it was up there. Tony Adams got Wycombe Wanderers relegated a few years back. He has management experience and didn't prove particularly good. But he's still got the top job at Portsmouth on his coaching credentials. Somehow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robzilla Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The guy who said Stuart Pearce never managed before Man City...he had a brief spell in charge of Notts Forest. {pedant mode} Nottingham Forest. {/pedant mode} Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The mistake within professional football. Not starting at the bottom means you get nowhere. Paul Ince, Tony Adams, Gareth Southgate, Gianfranco Zola...they have achieved sooo much (not) by being considered good at management just because they were former internationals.Martin O'Neil began at the bottom and look at him now, no-one would suggest he isn't a decent manager. Yeah, Zola, Adams and Ince should have achieved so much more in their couple of months managing in the top flight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 agreed but i would say that mk dons are significantly bigger than gateshead and man city bigger than blackburn, i'm not really moaning just find it a bit unrealistic am really loving the game.Anyway i'm turning them all down as i wanna win the big three with gateshead. p.s just been offered the lazio job??? I also don't feel it is all that unrealistic. If you were a top class footballer, you are well known already with a good reputation. Then you have shown you are a good manager too, winning the league in your debut year as a manager. Irl you would then be regarded to be a big managerial talent too and likely to get a chance at a top level. Whether it would have to be Villa, Newcastle and City may be debated but I really feel it's not way off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Ok ok, I think the point has been proved Nothing to do with FM, but does anyone agree that we will never see another Ferguson or Redknapp style manager who worked their way to the top? I could give you examples from Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solstar Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Robzilla - Yep NOTTS Forest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abey87 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The guy who manages Hull, can't recall his name from the top of my head...I reckon he could do well in the future. Would also have said Allerdyce before the suicidal decision to manage Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilly93 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Aidy Boothroyd looked like he was on the up a couple of seasons ago. Prettyu poor last year and a half though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 The guy who manages Hull, can't recall his name from the top of my head...I reckon he could do well in the future. Would also have said Allerdyce before the suicidal decision to manage Newcastle. Phil Brown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robzilla Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Robzilla - Yep NOTTS Forest. Did you type that on purpose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerdMuller Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 And El Diego didn't get the Argentina job based on his coaching record! They have Diego, we have Klinsmann... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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