FuryG Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 I like this file, but I must say that u have overrated very many players. If u play with this file it only takes 2-3 seasons before all clubs is filled with unknown african players,.. Well, this is exactly what happens in real life. In fact, I will have to delete DOZENS of players from last year's file, because they have been transfered to Europe meanwhile and have entered the FM2011 offical database (and in my file the majority of them where even weaker than now in the offical FM2011 database). For some obscure reason, Europeans tend to EXTREMELY underrate players as long as they play in Africa (thinking something like "I don't kow them, they can't have reasonable strength"). If you play with a large database on a world scale, it's quite realistic from my game experience. Just for your information: in real life, a country like Nigeria alone exports more than 200 players every year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
depps Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 yes, of course Cheers. Will have to get it installed so, made last years game far more enjoyable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLlo Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Well, this is exactly what happens in real life. In fact, I will have to delete DOZENS of players from last year's file, because they have been transfered to Europe meanwhile and have entered the FM2011 offical database (and in my file the majority of them where even weaker than now in the offical FM2011 database). For some obscure reason, Europeans tend to EXTREMELY underrate players as long as they play in Africa (thinking something like "I don't kow them, they can't have reasonable strength"). If you play with a large database on a world scale, it's quite realistic from my game experience. Just for your information: in real life, a country like Nigeria alone exports more than 200 players every year! I totally agree with FuryG, for FM2010 I spent many hours working on leagues (which I never released) for Zambia & DR Congo and added 100s of players to those countries but when reviewing data to port to FM2011 I would have to delete loads of players I created as they have moved to Europe and are now in the SI database. I don't think people realize just how many 'Unknown Africans' end up in European leagues, just ask Harry Redknapp! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 How many of the African players grow to really big stars in Europe and how many of them deserve a -8 and -9 in Football Manager? Not many if you ask me and by using your file I had players from countries like Sudan, Niger, Burundi and Lehsoto playing in top clubs around Europe. Interesting for the game? Sure! Realistic? Offcourse not! Sorry, but I can hardly believe this. Of course, there are highly talented players in those countries, but not to the extent that they could regularly enter TOP-clubs (and I don't mean swedish clubs by this!). So, apart from really gifted individuals like e.g. Hamidou Djibo from AS FNIS (Niger), there shouldn't be too many -9 players in the database. As a rule of thumb, domestic African players should have a talent distribution similar to Europeans, but with low possibilities to develop their talent. In fact, I think the ratings are quite conservative - for the whole African continent (!!!!) there are no more than 20 or so players in the whole DB who could potentially become real global stars (and it will never happen that all of them manage to do so). This number equals the number of high-skilled youth players alone in England and France. Just think about it - you really can't judge ANYTHING about African football from your observations in Sweden. In fact, I am convinced that the player strengths in the file are still massively reflecting the underrating tendency of Europeans towards Africans, but it's at least reasonable now. The game just has to ensure that (1) the low training facilities and (2) the aging of players results in domestic African players very rarely coming anywhere near their PA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 All im saying is that Im aware of the big amounts of African players comming to Europe every year, but that doesn't make them more talented then local players and that does not automaticly earn them a PA over 150 Just compare European players with the African players in my DB - they are still by FAR more talented! You are describing something that is not there. Of course, there is much talent in the African DB, but not to the extent that they are stronger on average than players in Scandinavia or the UK. That's simply not true. How many of the players in whole Africa would even be able to gain a bench spot in a mediocre Premiership side? Maybe 10? You can't be serious if claiming that this is too much for a WHOLE CONTINENT! There may of course be instances of players who should get reduced CA and PA, but not on an overall scale. You should also bear in mind that, due to the poor coverage of Africa in the official DB, the African Mega DB reflects the 5000 most talented players of the continent, which you seemingly want to compare to average European players. Transfers are another issue, but this is then an issue with the game logic. Maybe you have loaded a too small database? In this case, the impact of the Africans is higher of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veg Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Ain't Djibo playing for ES Setif? Thought he has been there a couple of years now. Still I agree with your point about PA and CA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 Ain't Djibo playing for ES Setif? Thought he has been there a couple of years now.Still I agree with your point about PA and CA. He had a stint at ASFA Yennega in Burkina Faso and then at Setif, but due to personal reasons he returned to Niamey this spring. But as far as I know he is on the go again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 You're questioning my ability to judge African talents and I agree, but what gives you a better point of view? The fact that I am travelling through Africa since more than 10 years now and am a follower of domestic African Football. But I agree on these two examples - they have to be lowered. My point concerns the overall perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSlappy Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 I really enjoyed your db. I played in a created Vanuatu league and having a source of decent African players who would be willing to play in Oceania was awesome and led to quite a nice dynasty. The teams that I found that were taking advantage of the influx of African players in the db were European leagues outside of what would be considered the top tier. The Fins especially seemed to go after young African talent which allowed a few more African players to realize their PA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 any news on the 2011 version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 It's in the making. At the moment, there are still some issues that I hope will be resolved by 10.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 really lookin forward to this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthless666 Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Me too. After Mazembe's success, I think everybody will want to play as many African leagues as possible. And please, keep your player stats high! And also increase their speed, strength and stamina. Don't get bothered by some racist, frustrated viking, that shows his hate towards African people on a soccer gaming forum. In the end, as an American I can say: Sweden is not a country anymore, they are our 51st state. They just doing the dirty jobs that our CIA tell them to do. Like faking a felony report against Assange and so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 did 11.2 solve those issues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 any news ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well, patch 11.2 has broken some features of the editor, such that old xml files get corrupted. Team squads and player histories get messed up and are all over the place. I will have to do it all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, i suppose we will have to wait untill next year now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 probably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasa8y Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Furyg u r the greatest without you african football would be a mystery thank you keep up the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_russian Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 any news or progress? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Yeah - I managed to manually repair the stuff that was corrupted by the editor. So I'll probably be able to release the 2011 version in a few days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizta05 Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Yeah - I managed to manually repair the stuff that was corrupted by the editor. So I'll probably be able to release the 2011 version in a few days. that is indeed good news! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grecian_03 Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Glad to hear that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuryG Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 FM2011 version out now! http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/248308-FM2011-Finally-Released-AFRICAN-MEGA-DATABASE-more-than-6000-players-added!!!?p=6335126#post6335126 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
araubi Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Thank you very much, FuryG! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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