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    Full fat beta , any recommendations of how to play on iPad?

    in Football Manager General Discussion

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    9 minutes ago, FreddyGuarin16 said:

    I do this a lot, I use Teamviewer on the Ipad and remote into my computer then using windowed mode FM it allows me to play the full game.  it works really well. 
    I also use Anydesk to access my computer remotely as well. 

    So if I download anydesk as an app and onto my laptop it will give touch screen playability on iPad. That sounds great Freddy

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    Full fat beta , any recommendations of how to play on iPad?

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, Keyzer Soze said:

    Don't know if it is a option to you, but why don't play the FMT version for IOS?

    i'm sure it would run much smoother, because it's optimize for that platform.

    Cheers Keyzer I’ve done that for a few years now but started to pine for the full game. The missus wouldn’t be a fan of me sitting up in bed with laptop so it’s got to be a tablet. I’ll stick with FMT. if the ME is back to its best I’ll love the game either way.

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    Final marks out of 10 for FM20.....sorry it’s a 4

    in Football Manager General Discussion

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    Until recently despite a loathing for the ME and its repetitive nature I played 20 regularly. Lockdown distraction. I could never understand why buying exciting new players never seemed to translate to exciting football and players seemed pretty robotic (eg I bough TAA from Liverpool and his crossing was the same as the functional RB I had before). It was almost like it was the position that counted not the player. But I still gave it 7 out of 10 for regular play.

    then came the revelation that a FM player had played two youth keepers upfront for Liverpool and one of them was scoring regularly and included worldys. It seemed to absolutely prove the point that FM20 calculates not through a collection of individuals but the team as a whole and then plays a match. I stand and want to be corrected on this. I hope the same doesn’t happen in 21.

    so, unfortunately after many perfect 10s, this game gets a 4. Would love to know if I’m in the minority or majority.

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    FM20 Experiment - Goalkeeper as striker in Liverpool (Inspired by Phil Jones ✕ Paris Saint-Germain)

    in Challenges, Sign-Ups & Experiments

    Posted · Edited by steam just is

    56 minutes ago, santy001 said:

    The way in which people in this thread have been throwing at mentions to different forum goers who are moderators, SI staff and so on - people have to remember that other people aren't actually at your beck and call. 

    By the same being uploaded, by pkm's being uploaded those with curiosity can look into it further. Maybe even take over the team and play a few games and see if they get the same result. The staff at SI, would I expect with FM21 rapidly on the horizon, have more pressing work than trying to slowly extract the details to investigate it fully. Not to mention that people have their own lives outside of their working capacities.

    If the OP doesn't want to share what he's done, and no one else is replicating it... then it just goes down as a cool story bro.

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    Trying to conflate your personal view desire for an answer somehow with a burning desire for an answer from the entire playerbase is disingenuous. 

    You have to remember, I'm not an SI employee. So I can hold any opinion I want and there's no real consideration for anything else. An unverified, unsubstantiated outcome is only ever going to be of mild interest because you don't know all the factors. If SI spent their time running down every oddity they see on the forums they'd never get chance to make another FM game in all likelihood.

    There's no guarantees anyone will get an explicit response from developers, but anecdotally, the threads that have more information, have all relevant materials available and can be reviewed by others tend to have a better chance. 

    I’m sorry but where have I suggested that SI or related people should be at our beck and call? I said with a few weeks until 21 I think it’s advisable SI make a comment. Once again I’m not accusing anyone of anything but look at the reaction Santy! With the  level of heat this is generating I think it would be sensible for SI to make a simple comment which calms everyone’s doubts. 
    I refer you the the points I made earlier.....the suggested anomaly, however unsubstantiated (and look at the whole thread...it’s not isolated) hints at a major flaw. It would be in SIs interests to nip this in the bud surely.

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    FM20 Experiment - Goalkeeper as striker in Liverpool (Inspired by Phil Jones ✕ Paris Saint-Germain)

    in Challenges, Sign-Ups & Experiments

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    9 minutes ago, santy001 said:

    At this point its just something of mild interest in the same way as someone posting a 100 game winning streak is. Unless the save is uploaded, the tactics are analysed, the games checked thoroughly then it remains nothing more than a minor interest because no one else can verify what has happened.

     

    Hmmmmm not sure about that. With SI about to take in several million from combined sales of games. Customers deserve an answer.

    would you buy a fundamentally flawed game? I assume not 

    does this theoretically suggest FM is fundamentally flawed? Yes

    im not accusing anyone of anything btw. I’m just very concerned and would prefer those closer to SI like researchers not to be so dismissive of our questions by saying it’s only of mild interest.

    so whilst we wait for the proof of the anomaly (and a second challenge has uncovered similar problems)I think it would be sensible for SI to make a comment. 

     

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    FM20 Experiment - Goalkeeper as striker in Liverpool (Inspired by Phil Jones ✕ Paris Saint-Germain)

    in Challenges, Sign-Ups & Experiments

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    25 minutes ago, Deego619 said:

      

    I've agreed that it's not realistic if you read my post again, but if you have 10 world class players and one passenger, you'll win those RNG battles overall across the pitch, it's how AI works and why this experiment is getting results.

    The GKs scoring worldies and playing like Xavi, is another argument however about how FM shows these events to us, I believe there was a custom unofficial patch that enhanced that, it would be interesting for this experiment to use that and see what happens. 

    @thiagoanjo I remember reading in the threads about the custom ME that was doing the rounds that FM calculates in the back end what is supposed to happen using the attributes as a base, and then the results of this are displayed to us via watching the match (which is what the mods were saying to convey that the unofficial ME didn't actually change anything in regards to results). This is why I'm thinking if Liverpool have 10 world class players, that they win enough RNG battles in the ME logic for the ME to say "Oh there needs to be a goal now" and the young GK is in the right place at the right time. Scoring worldies and the like, that is an issue.

    I'm more so trying to explain why I feel it happens rather than trying to discredit the work here which is super interesting. SI should review this at least.

    I get what you’re saying. My reply also said that he played with 2 youth keepers. So that’s 9 world class players and 2 duds up front. I understand it’s not real life and obviously it’s just equations ( all life is maths if we’re getting deep). But after 30 years of writing management sims you would have thought such anomalies would have been cleared up. 

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    FM20 Experiment - Goalkeeper as striker in Liverpool (Inspired by Phil Jones ✕ Paris Saint-Germain)

    in Challenges, Sign-Ups & Experiments

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    36 minutes ago, Deego619 said:

    FM is a game of numbers and math, it simply can't take into account that Goalkeepers do not have the awareness to play up front, never mind a youth team goalkeeper. 

    I guess the only real life reference that comes to mind is to David James' performance up front for Man City some years back.

     I can't imagine this guy outscoring Aubameyang even if being supplied by Mane/Salah et all.

    But FM simply can't see it this way, because again it's a game of math and probability. If Liverpool have 10 world class players and 1 passenger, the Liverpool team will win the majority of dice rolls all over the pitch, which may result in the game generating a scenario where the passenger (youth goalkeeper) scores because he's the right guy at the right time. 

    I feel we need to take this a bit less seriously than this thread is doing, FM is a game and cannot possibly replicate real life and the millions of variables involved. If your youth team GK scored 10 goals, Frimino may have scored 20. It seems to be probability at work over anything else. Interesting experiment nevertheless.

    Sorry but disagree. He was using 2 GKs up front. That’s a joke. and If it can’t simulate a kid keeper who really  shouldn’t score for Liverpool then what are we all doing?? And,,,,,it wasn’t just tap ins - he was scoring worldys. And...someone tried CDM role with a passing attribute of 3 and he had 90% passing success rate. 
    actually completely disagree with your point. If we let this go unanswered the match becomes an irrelevance and therefore the game. 
    I just hope is an unspotted FM20 bug. But this is a very serious issue. 

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    I love this game but a thread has been started which needs urgent answers

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted

    The GK playing as a CF thread was moved to the challenge forum but it raises massive questions. We now have another user @kingkingplaying someone with 3 passing in the CDM role and getting 90% passing accuracy.

    These anomalies are massive and deserve an explanation. Currently it feels if attributes and the entire game itself is flawed.

    I have purchased every edition of FM. And SI have amazing loyal customers because of the game they devised.

    but please can someone explain why this is happening, it looks terrible.

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