All regen fullbacks have poor crossing attributes

[v InterfectoR v]

I've wondered this for a while and now I've decided to see if it's only in my games where regen full backs (I'm currently in year 2022) cannot cross a ball very well and with David Alaba seemingly the only fullback who can cross a ball as a fullback in my game I'm wondering if this is a bug or a balance choice by Si?.

Does anybody else have this in their games or is it just a rare occurrence?

[Guest]

2022 is not far enough to make a fair assessment of newgen ability, you might want to wait another 4 or 5 years & then take another look as that will have give enough development time for the 14-16 year old players who entered the game in 2015 & 2016, even then it will still only be a snapshot.

The best time to make any assessment of player development is once all the real players have hung up their boots.

edit: iirc The Hand of God did a very detailed assessment of newgen development on FM12 or FM13, it shoudl be on teh board somewhere & will give you an idea of the depth that is needed when looking at this area of the game

[Cougar2010]

Depends on your choice of fullbacks tbh.

In my experience newgen fullbacks fall into two categories. The first has a defensive spread of attributes more like a DC, good tackling/marking etc but poor crossing. The second is more of a wide midfielder/attacking fullback, good pace & crossing, lower defensive abilities.

To get one good at both is fairly rare and I find one of the most difficult positions to get on the pitch.

[Hootieleece]

If I want a good attacking type Fullback, I often find myself retraining a defensive minded midfielder so I get a pacey player with good crossing ability.

I start doing this almost immediately since the regen fullbacks are awful for attacking/counterattacking styles. I like to attack the box with lots of crosses and the more options the better.

I feel I can train marking and tackling easier than crossing and pace.

[El Presidente]

I find full back and central midfield jumping stats to be awful too. How can an English Premier Division regular have 3 for jumping???

[THOG]

This was from an analysis of FM13. Quite a few things have been added to training (like role-specific training) in addition to the ongoing refinement of the newgen system, so I have no idea how that's affected things for FM14/15.

With fullbacks, the situation was a bit better than I expected. Of course, there was a large increase in the number of standard, defensive fullbacks:

Fullback (Defend)

Important Attributes: Marking, Tackling, Anticipation, Concentration, Positioning, Teamwork, Work Rate, Acceleration, Stamina

All Important Attributes 12+:

DL (2012 -> 2042) - 102 Natural (89 Accomplished) -> 202 Natural (41 Accomplished)

DR (2012 -> 2042) - 140 Natural (106 Accomplished) -> 240 Natural (43 Accomplished)

But while there were less supporting fullbacks who were skilled at crossing, the decline wasn't as drastic as I had feared:

Fullback (Support)

Important Attributes: Crossing, Marking, Tackling, Anticipation, Concentration, Positioning, Teamwork, Work Rate, Acceleration, Stamina

All Important Attributes 12+:

DL (2012 -> 2042) - 69 Natural (34 Accomplished) -> 41 Natural (3 Accomplished)

DR (2012 -> 2042) - 79 Natural (23 Accomplished) -> 42 Natural (5 Accomplished)

Unfortunately, when dribbling was added, attacking fullbacks were found to be nearly extinct:

Fullback (Attack)

Important Attributes: Crossing, Dribbling, Marking, Tackling, Anticipation, Concentration, Off the Ball, Positioning, Teamwork, Work Rate, Acceleration, Stamina

All Important Attributes 12+:

DL (2012 -> 2042) - 24 Natural (9 Accomplished) -> 1 Natural (0 Accomplished)

DR (2012 -> 2042) - 20 Natural (8 Accomplished) -> 1 Natural (1 Accomplished)

All other attributes excluded, there are only 22 natural fullbacks (both DL and DR) with a dribbling of 12 or greater in 2042. In 2012, there were 69.

The results for the DL/DR wingback were similar:

Wingback (Defend)

Important Attributes: Marking, Tackling, Decisions, Positioning, Teamwork, Work Rate, Acceleration, Stamina

All Important Attributes 12+:

DL (2012 -> 2042) - 106 Natural (69 Accomplished) -> 179 Natural (34 Accomplished)

DR (2012 -> 2042) - 139 Natural (83 Accomplished) -> 189 Natural (43 Accomplished)

Wingback (Support)

Important Attributes: Crossing, Marking, Tackling, Decisions, Positioning, Teamwork, Work Rate, Acceleration, Stamina

All Important Attributes 12+:

DL (2012 -> 2042) - 75 Natural (29 Accomplished) -> 41 Natural (2 Accomplished)

DR (2012 -> 2042) - 79 Natural (20 Accomplished) -> 39 Natural (4 Accomplished)

Wingback (Attacking)

Important Attributes: Crossing, Dribbling, Marking, Tackling, Decisions, Off the Ball, Positioning, Teamwork, Work Rate, Acceleration, Stamina

All Important Attributes 12+:

DL (2012 -> 2042) - 32 Natural (11 Accomplished) -> 1 Natural (0 Accomplished)

DR (2012 -> 2042) - 24 Natural (8 Accomplished) -> 1 Natural (1 Accomplished)

Next: Wingback wingbacks...

[isignedupfornorealreason]

Dunno, but it gets on my nerves seeing a centreback with no bravery or a striker who can't head the ball.

Sometimes its justified (the striker) but the centreback... Bah!

Fullbacks I've not had an issue with... Usually the attribute they're missing is Flair and I can work with that. If I have a fullback with awful crossing then they usually get shifted central if their other attributes are up to scratch as they'll usually be faster than most CB's.