SPE3D Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi guys I got a Intel® Core™2 Duo E7300 2.66Ghz computer with 4Gb memory and an on-board Intel graphics card. It’s a fairly decent spec so am I wrong to expect it to cope with 3d on full detail? I know its an on-board card but its one of the later intel efforts and its not as if FM is the most graphic intensive of games! I just don’t understand why my spec is delivering a jerky 3d experience . Should it be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally13 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Your drivers upto date ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPE3D Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yes and direct X up to date. Would you expect this graphics card to handle full detail? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCJAZZMANAGER Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I often find that using GameBooster helps. But I also notice that the first few games I play are smooth, but after about an hours worth of play the graphics start to get a bit jerky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally13 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yes and direct X up to date. Would you expect this graphics card to handle full detail? Well some of the on board cards can be abit weak so could be that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPE3D Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 My on-board card is an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3500. Its one of the latest from Intel and way above the minumum spec for graphics. Here is a description I found on Wikipedia: - GMA X3500 GMA X3500 is an upgrade of the GMA X3000 and used in the desktop G35. The shaders support shader model 4.0 features. Architecturally, the GMA X3500 is very similar to the GMA X3000,[11] with both GMAs running at 667 MHz. The major difference between them is that the GMA X3500 supports Shader Model 4.0 and DirectX 10, whereas the earlier X3000 supports Shader Model 3.0 and DirectX 9.[11] The X3500 also adds hardware-assistance for playback of VC-1 video. Surely this is capable of handling FM's 3d in full detail? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikke Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 My on-board card is an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3500. Its one of the latest from Intel and way above the minumum spec for graphics. "One of the latest" in this case means over 2 years old, and being an on-board card I'm not surprised if it's too slow.EDIT: I did some searching, and your card really is not enough for 3d gaming, this is an opinion from 2 years ago: "the GMA X3500 is still practically unusable for 3D gaming unless you like playing at slideshow frame rates." Looking at 3DMark06 results it's about the same speed as Radeon 9800 Pro, so it meets the minimum specs but not really more than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
si_mats Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 There is a big difference between a graphic card (or subsystem) "supporting" certain features and actually implementing them in a useful way. Make sure you update your motherboard/graphic drivers - if this has no effect then quite simply you'll need a better card if you want full detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikke Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 There is a big difference between a graphic card (or subsystem) "supporting" certain features and actually implementing them in a useful way.Make sure you update your motherboard/graphic drivers - if this has no effect then quite simply you'll need a better card if you want full detail. So true, my laptop has nVidia Quadro NVS140m, and it supports all the same features that the Intel GMA X3500 does. But it certainly can't handle FM10 unless I use low detail with stadium and crowd turned off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikke Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Here is a description I found on Wikipedia: -GMA X3500 GMA X3500 is an upgrade of the GMA X3000 and used in the desktop G35. The shaders support shader model 4.0 features. Architecturally, the GMA X3500 is very similar to the GMA X3000,[11] with both GMAs running at 667 MHz. The major difference between them is that the GMA X3500 supports Shader Model 4.0 and DirectX 10, whereas the earlier X3000 supports Shader Model 3.0 and DirectX 9.[11] The X3500 also adds hardware-assistance for playback of VC-1 video. Surely this is capable of handling FM's 3d in full detail? Here something else from that very same Wikipedia article:GMA X3500 review In a review performed by Register Hardware in December 2007,[11] author Leo Waldock argued that because the GMA X3500 is not capable of running any PC game that requires DirectX 10, the addition of DirectX 10 support to the GMA X3500 was "irrelevant".[89] During that same review, the GMA X3500 was used to run the PC games Crysis and FEAR Extraction Point, where it was able to render only 4 and 14 frames per second respectively for each game.[90] In the end the review concluded that overall the X3500 made "minimal advances" over the GMA X3000.[89] Like I said, minimum specs but that's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPE3D Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 haha ok thanks for the info guys. Must say i'm genuinely surprised but looks like i'll have to buy a graphics card then. Any suggestions? Don't want anything expensive. Just good enough to run FM 3d in full detail I've got a PCI-e 16 slot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikke Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 haha ok thanks for the info guys. Must say i'm genuinely surprised but looks like i'll have to buy a graphics card then. Any suggestions? Don't want anything expensive. Just good enough to run FM 3d in full detail I've got a PCI-e 16 slot. I have ATI Radeon HD3650, you should be able to get one for under £35. It can run FM 3d in full detail perfectly smooth in my system, although there can be some minor jerkiness depending on a situation and match weather conditions. Most of the time it's perfect though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPE3D Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Think I may have had the PCI (not express) version of that. Can't remember cos i'm in work but pretty sure it was that card. It was really slow processing anything. Frame rate was poor. Guessing it was the old PCI bus causing a bottle neck. If I got the pci express version of this card I guess I would see an improvement simply cos the bus technology's improved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikke Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Think I may have had the PCI (not express) version of that. Can't remember cos i'm in work but pretty sure it was that card. It was really slow processing anything. Frame rate was poor. Guessing it was the old PCI bus causing a bottle neck. If I got the pci express version of this card I guess I would see an improvement simply cos the bus technology's improved? I'm pretty sure it was NOT that card, since there is no PCI version of HD3600 series - only PCI-e. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPE3D Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ok. Thanks for all your help. I'll start hunting for that card then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy_Turtle Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Spe3d, Don't worry it's not just you I'm using a Nvidia 9200M G (Integrated but should easily play this) and I'm too getting very very stuttery graphics on high detail. My laptop plays most modern games smoothly on Medium/High (Empire Total War, Sacred 2, Torchlight, The Witcher). Hopefully SI will improve their graphics efficiency in a future patch, but for now playing on medium graphics isn't a major setback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve20 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 My 3d pitch is jerky too. I am really not wanting to pay close to £35 on top of price of the game. May well need to just take it back and install 09 again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ensure you all have the latest graphics card drivers, direct x and java. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve20 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ensure you all have the latest graphics card drivers, direct x and java. I have no idea how to do this, as I am totally clueless with computers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Direct X: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2da43d38-db71-4c1b-bc6a-9b6652cd92a3&displaylang=en Java: http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp Graphics card drivers can be obtained from your manufacturer's website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy_Turtle Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ensure you all have the latest graphics card drivers, direct x and java. yup have done, still stuttery on High settings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takamaru Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 I can honestly say I've had a similar experience. Except I'm not running on a laptop but a pretty decent system. Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit Intel Core2 Quad Q9322 @ 2.50GHz 4 GB memory GeForce 9800 GT 1024mb dedicated video memory The system 3d rating in the preferences menu is 5 stars The animations are smooth, it seems to be mainly the panning or turning of the camera in the 3d match engine that is choppy. When I use a camera mode which stays still on a certain point of the pitch during 3d action it is smooth. When it then pans again, the animation becomes choppy. Hope this helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 For some people lowering the graphical detail and turning crowds off may improve performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy_Turtle Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 For some people lowering the graphical detail and turning crowds off may improve performance. Correct, this does work but the graphics need to be optimised for the Xmas patch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venny414 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Um, my match days are really jerky too. I've popped it on the lower graphic setting, taken some of the extras off like crowd and weather and stuff and it makes absolutely no difference (not even a small difference). What makes it worse is that may graphics are coming up as 5 stars!!! I'm running a mac so i've done all of the suggestions on the sticky up top but no joy. Can anyone lend any other suggestions? This is infuriating!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Same problem here with a Quad core 4GB Nvidia 9series graphics card and up to date drivers driectX and java. Changing detail level and crowd settings makes no difference. It ran the demo fine and all through the beta process ( I asked to be taken off the list for patch testing, how Ironic) I've never suffered with this problem on FM09 so it's really annoying to encounter thjis today! any help from an SI bod? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Girondins Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I had this issue last year with ATI and a 3850. Thankfully gone now .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Ok, after messing around with settings I've discovered playing in windowed mode was the cause of my jerky graphics. Playing in default resolution on high detail with crowds and wheather it runs just fine. Hopefully this helps you guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wllm Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 maybe a bit off topic, but does anybody know what the top AGP graphics card is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lower Leagues Rule Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yeah in windowed mine got so jerky it crashed my computer. Well everything went not responding and then the computer stopped working, so I crashed it But I put it in full-screen, took away the extras, stadiums, weather etc and now its fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digsy11 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yeah in windowed mine got so jerky it crashed my computer. Well everything went not responding and then the computer stopped working, so I crashed it But I put it in full-screen, took away the extras, stadiums, weather etc and now its fine. Can you try with the crowds etc and see if it still runs ok? mine is fine with the extra detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyatwork37 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 On board video is crap at best. Buy a video card and your problem will be solved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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